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TomG posted 05-16-2004 08:28 AM ET (US)   Profile for TomG   Send Email to TomG  
Well, it's finally here! After 4 weeks of phone calls, logistics, $$, towing, waiting, more towing, more waiting, more $$$, and yet more towing...it's here. My new (to me) 1999 Outrage 18 is sitting in the driveway with a shiny new Honda BF150 attached.

After rigging, my awesome Honda dealer (Drummond Marine of Holland, Michigan) did the basic break-in procedure and ran 3 different props on it. We settled on a Michigan Wheel 14.25x19 Rapture for now...hits 6000 rpm at WOT and pulls beautifully throughout the powerband. I may still experiment with some other props...it could be just a little faster to plane...but I might just go ahead and put trim tabs on it.

I'm going to splash it today and finish the break-in hours (only 10 hrs. per the Honda manual)...if I hurry, I should be able to get that in by nightfall. ;-)
But first, it's off to West Marine to buy some more stuff...gotta love new boats...they all need new stuff.

Once the break-in is done, I'll post some performance and economy numbers. Everything I've read says that this motor is a very strong performer with excellent fuel economy. It will be interesting to see how it does longterm on the Outrage 18...a very heavy 2500 lb. hull.

For those that complain about the lack of power choices on their Boston Whalers, I'm here to tell you that you can have anything you want...it just takes time and money. If you feel strongly enough about it, then go for it.

Here are some intial pix: http://www.bcell.com/tom/index.html

Tom (formerly Ventura16)

Nushlie posted 05-16-2004 09:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for Nushlie  Send Email to Nushlie     
Tom:

That is one beautiful rig. Great pictures.

Nushlie

jimh posted 05-16-2004 09:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Tom--Tell us more about the re-rigging for the Honda engine. Did you have to get new gauges and controls?

The boat and the pictures are excellent. Ironically, I just bumped into my first 18 Outrage from that epoch yesterday while getting my boat out of storage. It looks like quite a sturdy boat.

erik selis posted 05-16-2004 12:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Tom,

Great looking boat and motor! Really nice pictures.

Lots of luck and safe whalering.

Erik

seasicknes posted 05-16-2004 01:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for seasicknes    
Very nice boat and photos.
Great engine too !
She is one of my favorite all time boats.

Your a lucky man !!!
Ken

TomG posted 05-16-2004 08:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for TomG  Send Email to TomG     
Thanks, guys! I am really pumped. This boat is the biggest 18 footer I have ever been on. With an 8' 3" beam, it is stable, solid, dry and has tons of room for fishing, cruising or whatever. I just spent the afternoon on it with my wife and another couple...my fishing partners...and the guy is 6'6" and 350 lbs. When we were all standing along the same gunwale, the boat was still not uncomfortably heeled and we could move about the boat without any real effect on the trim.

I am still in break-in, so can't run full throttle, but at 5000 rpm with 4 (1 very large) on board we still hit 37 mph on the GPS. I'm guessing that at WOT (6000 rpm) once broken in that we will be in the mid-40's...that's fast enough for me.

Jim, the gauges are standard Whaler gauges. I did not opt for the Honda digital gauges...my budget was strained at this point and another $1.5K would have sent me to divorce court. ;-) The Honda ignition switch panel contains indicator LEDs for proper oil pressure and overheating, along with a buzzer for those warnings. In addition, to the right of the wheel, you can see the "PGM-FI" panel which contains warning indicators for alternator charging system (ACG) and programmed fuel injection (PGM-FI). All of these indicators have various states of operation and associated warning buzzers. The Honda binnacle mount for the throttle/shift control replaced the original Mercury controls. The cables are Honda cables manufactured by Teleflex and the motor uses the standard SeaStar hydraulic steering that the Outrage came with.

It is currently mounted all the way down...my dealer says Hondas like to run well down in the water...but I think I am going to ask him to try raising it at least one hole...since that is normally Whaler's recommendation. Also, as I mentioned, it is running a 14.25x19 Rapture...once break-in is over I may try the 17. And I will probably put trim tabs on it. I'm leaning toward Lenco's because of the ease of installation and all the great things that Kingfish has said about them. I know some people don't believe that an 18' boat can benefit from trim tabs, but this boat probably weighs in the 4000 lb. range all rigged and full of fuel. I'm spoiled by having them on our Grady...I kept reaching for the tab switches all afternoon. ;-)

That's it for now...more as I get a few more hours under my belt.

Tom (formerly Ventura16)

gf posted 05-16-2004 09:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for gf  Send Email to gf     

Wow Tom, that looks great! Almost as nice as my boat! ;)

I even like your Avalanche with "no body hardware".

I forget the original reason why the boat had no engine but it seems like a great package.

You might want to try a 15.25 X 15 or 17 prop and see if that gets you on plane quicker with better mid-range performance too.

Sal A posted 05-17-2004 09:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Tom,

Your boat looks pristine, and I like the power on it!

Happy for ya.

kingfish posted 05-17-2004 09:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Tom-

Congratulations; that is a beauty! Startleingly (?) deep V when there is no motor there to distract your eye. That's got to be close to 24°? Should make a great ride in a chop.

Hope to see it close up sometime this summer-

John

TomG posted 05-17-2004 09:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for TomG  Send Email to TomG     
Gordon Thanks, man! That's quite a compliment...I love your boat. I even downloaded the photos of it and showed them to my wife...predictably, she really liked the color. And yes, I have a WBH Avalanche...one of the few around here, but I really prefer it without all the "tonka-truck" plastic on it.

The boat had no engine because the previous owner got sick of dealing with his 135 Optimax (chronic problems with fouled plugs, limping home, and overheating) and re-rigged it with a Honda 200 (150's weren't available at the time). His wife decided she didn't like the Outrage so he ordered a new Scout 222 Dorado and moved the Honda 200 onto it. He and I discussed it and agreed that the 150 was probably a better match for the boat because of the 120 lb. weight premium of the 200.

Why do you recommend going up in prop diameter? What will that accomplish? I understand going down in pitch will gain a couple hundred rpm at the top end.

Sal Thank you too! I really like the Nantucket. If this deal hadn't worked out the way it did, a Nantucket was probably going to be the way I went. They are similar sizes...small enough to trailer easily, but big enough to be stable in larger seas. I've only had it out for a few hours and am still breaking her in, but so far it is everything I had hoped. Next, I'm going to have a local shop make me a set of full canvas enclosures for it, since Mills does not offer them for this model.

Tom (formerly Ventura16)

TomG posted 05-17-2004 09:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for TomG  Send Email to TomG     
John Thanks! I am really excited...can you tell!?

I agree, the transom deadrise looks very high without the motor mounted. If I can figure out the right way to measure it, I'll post the results. Any input on a suitable technique would be helpful. I was thinking about putting a 90 degree framing square against the rubrail at the top of the transom and then putting a protractor on the leg that's pointing straight down. Does that make sense?

I do plan to hit as many of the local rendezvous' and events as I can this summer...schedule permitting...I'm sure I'll see you at one of them.

Tom (formerly Ventura16)

Moose posted 05-17-2004 11:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moose  Send Email to Moose     
Boy, that looks great!

I'm an owner of a chronically fouled, over heating, homeward limping Opti-max 150 on a 2000 18 Outrage. I can certainly understand where the previous owners thoughts were when he re-powered. I just can't afford to pull the trigger and replace a motor that only has 80 hours on it. Someday.... Holland is not that far from me....

Like the looks of your trailer with the tandem axles. I've heard numerous comments, possibly true, that the 18 Outrage is the world's largest 18 footer.

Come on summer!

RonB posted 05-17-2004 02:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for RonB  Send Email to RonB     
Tom,

Looks great and congrats!

Sure does look different with no engine and then a silver engine hanging off the stern. It's a great look though!

I'm knocking on wood, but my 135 Opti has been bullet proof so far.... Had my wife and mother-in-law and three boys out on a "three hour tour" the other day at a little more than trolling speed and the Opti did okay. I was nervous at all that slow speed cruising and I could almost feel the Opti telling me to open it up and clear it out, but for mom's sake, we stayed slow and enjoyed Mother's day.

My wife still wants a huge Sea Ray for dock entertainment, but man, I cannot think of a safer and sturdier boat than my little (and portly) 2000 18 Outrage (except for maybe another Whaler).

Ron

jimh posted 05-17-2004 07:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
To deduce the deadrise angle:

Measure the distance across the top of the triangle formed by the keel and the two chines or indented points of the hull vee. Take half. Call this W. Perhaps gently mark this line near the keel centerline. Measure the distance to the keel. Call this H.

Deadrise = Arctan (H/W)

jimh posted 05-17-2004 08:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
For example, if the distance across the top is 72-inches, and the distance from that line to the keel is 12 inches, the deadrise is

Deadrise = Arctan (12/36)

Deadrise = Arctan (0.33)

Deadrise = 18-degrees

TomG posted 05-17-2004 09:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for TomG  Send Email to TomG     
Moose Thanks! I am really glad that things worked out the way that they did with the Honda. My neighbor has one of these 18 Outrages with a 135 Optimax on it...he has had good luck so far, but their reputation is mixed, to say the least. If you are interested, I can give you the name of the dealer that took the Optimax in on trade toward a Honda. I don't know the financial details, but it might be an option for you. They are located in mid-Michigan, but it's not Drummond Marine. I'm happy with the tandem trailer...it pulls great behind my Avalanche. First time I've had surge brakes on a trailer, though...they take a little getting used to.

Ron Thanks...we have quite the makings of a little club here. The "Short and Portlies"...actually that describes me pretty well too! It's hard not to love these things...it is such a brawny, comfortable boat for an 18. I wrote to Chuck Bennett at Whaler to see if he could tell me any more about the model...how many were made and why it was discontinued so soon. It will be interesting to see what he has to say.

Jim I followed everything in your deadrise measuring technique but this: What the heck is an "Arctan"? I assume it means Arc Tangent, but I was not real great in Trig. Help me out!

Tom (formerly Ventura16)

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