Forum: WHALER
  ContinuousWave
  Whaler
  Moderated Discussion Areas
  ContinuousWave: Post-Classic Whalers
  Controversy RE: Whaler Hull

Post New Topic  Post Reply
search | FAQ | profile | register | author help

Author Topic:   Controversy RE: Whaler Hull
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 05-20-2004 05:53 PM ET (US)   Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER  
I'm not sure what to make of this?

www.prime-web.com
http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?cmd=email&id=206107

TRAFFICLAWYER posted 05-20-2004 06:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
Try this.

http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=206107

HawaiianWhaler posted 05-20-2004 07:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for HawaiianWhaler  Send Email to HawaiianWhaler     
Wow! Had I been shown the hull cross-sections without the labels, I would have guessed the thicker to be from the Whaler with the white layer being the foam sandwiched between the outer hull and the inner liner. Which begs the question regarding the purported Whaler hull section: Where IS the foam and inner liner? Could they have switched the hull sections or labels? I'm looking forward to hearing from the knowledgeable members of this forum who have seen the actual construction of Whalers and can shed light on this.
Tom W Clark posted 05-20-2004 07:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Apples and oranges. It's a ridiculous comparison that was designed to make the Whaler sample look bad.

Note that the sample of the Hydra Sport is about 6 inches long and is a full thickness cut-out including both inside and outside hull skins.

The Whaler sample is about 2 1/2" long and is only one skin peeled away from the rest of the cut-out. Very little of the plywood has even been left on that skin.

This makes the Hydra Sport sample appear to be huge.

As to plywood being used in Whaler hulls, that always has been the case and is the case today.

Moe posted 05-20-2004 07:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
It's on The HullTruth also:

http://thehulltruth.net/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=27262&posts=4

--
Moe

andygere posted 05-20-2004 08:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
I pity the Hydrasports owner when the transducer comes loose and that massive hole is left to fill his boat with water and sent it to the bottom. Clearly this guy doesn't like Whalers and want's to stir the pot, evidenced by his post on 2 different forums. If he was legit, he'd show the holes in the hulls and the transducers installed, not just some scraps of material. By the way, how much strength does that filler putty add to the hull of the non-Whaler?
jimh posted 05-20-2004 08:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
We don't need some foreign commie website to talk about Boston Whaler hull core samples. Hell, boys, we can talk about Boston Whaler hull core samples right here!

Take a look at this one:

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/images/whalerHullCoreSample.JPG
(Pop that second window open and keep her in sight.)

This is a sample kicking around a dealership. It wasn't marked as being from a particular boat. It is sitting on a 180 DAUNTLESS.

It appears to show, from top down:

--Gelcoat (thin white layer)
--Laminate fabric and resin (reddish beige)
--Something white
--Laminate fabric and resin (thin layer)
--Something white
--Laminate fabric and resin (thicker layer)
--Laminate fabric (white)
--Dark Brown Foam (thin)
--Beige/Yellow Foam (thick)
--Laminate fabric and resin
--Gelcoat

I asked the salesman what those two layers of white material were. He replied, "DivinyCell."

You heard it here first.

TRAFFICLAWYER posted 05-20-2004 08:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
Thanks, Mr. Jimh, I'm gonna paste it right back at em!
argh........
cmarques posted 05-20-2004 10:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for cmarques  Send Email to cmarques     
It seems to me if I was going to spend $20,000 dollars on an installation I would think that the guys doing it have done similar installations before and would know a little about what they are cutting into.
quote:
We were surprised at how thin the Whalers hull bottom was. Plus the random layer of wood laying above the glass? I thought Whalers were a "no wood" boat?

I had my wood locater sheet in hand before one hole was drilled in my Dauntless. Nowhere does Whaler claim their boats are wood free and when I went on the plant tour Chuck Bennett was proud to defend wood as the strongest/best material in transoms and backing once sealed in foam and glass. It also seems the other core is finished on both sides neglecting to show maybe 2 feet? of foam above the Whaler skin.

Chris

Knot at Work posted 05-20-2004 10:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Knot at Work  Send Email to Knot at Work     
I think that piece of the whaler came off my RPS... Just a flesh wound! Give it back... I need it use as a Type 2 PFD, it already has a hole to slip a Knot thru

SuburbanBoy posted 05-20-2004 10:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for SuburbanBoy  Send Email to SuburbanBoy     
If I just spent a bundle of money on electronics, and the supplier used my boat as an example (right or wrong) in a negative fashion, I would be upset. Frankly, it reminds of the bad old days when the domestics were swatting Honda... Instead of responding to uninformed drivel, they (Honda) just kept getting better and better... Someone has to set a quality standard, and Whaler is a great candidate.


sub

Legobusier posted 05-21-2004 07:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for Legobusier  Send Email to Legobusier     
I'm not going to join in on the argument about the cores, although it seems suspect to me. I am going to say that if that site is not justification for Jim's stance that this site does not need graphics I don't know what is.

What a bunch of fluff. It's practically impossible to find the content.

AQUANUT posted 05-21-2004 08:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for AQUANUT  Send Email to AQUANUT     
Hmmmm,

Because I wasn't there when the ship hit the sand, I can only evaluate the evidence presented and said to be true and correct.

However, a couple of things disturb me...they just don't jive.


1. I have personally made several crossings to the bahamian chain islands {walkers cay}on a 27 ft hydra...with twin big johnsons...{which were ultimately replaced with big mercs}

it was a great boat..strong and seaworthy..in rough water..I believe the cross section to be correct in this part of photo


2. I suspect foul play with the whaler sample, heres why,

it is my feeling..that the sample provided is incomplete.
{in view of the boats I have personally drilled, the drawings we have as a b/w dearler, and common sense.}


I have seen wood laminate pressed hard against the resin mesh..usually on the deck, in which case it is used as a backing plate material, for strenth....with this in mind
it would appear the b/w sample to be upside down and incomplete.

as Dennis Miller puts it, just my opinion, I could be wrong.


jimm: isn't the sample displayed and posted by your post also upside down? I believe so..please elaborate for clarity.

now think about this...I, in the course of my job, as a boat rigger, used to work for a bayliner,sea ray,ski natiques, centurian,tracker, fisher, maxum dealership; on several occassions, I had to dia-assemble side combings on approx 35 foot cierra bayliners and trophies..the external hulls were so thin, I could almost read a newspaper thru them,
honestly tho, I could easily see the outline of humans moving outside the hull...and these thinwalled boats have more below the waterline than the sample of the boston whaler provided.....fishy...hmm...very fishy...
if it looks like a fish. smells like a fish, fights like a fish, throw it back or take it home....it your choice!

Sal A posted 05-21-2004 10:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
The poster of the pictures of the 32 Outrage on THT and the other forum has his email address in his profile.

(hisname@hydrasport.com)

Kind of analogous to if Maria Shriver, in her reporter role, would grill Gray Davis at a public appearance with: "Is it true you still take kickbacks?"

I wonder if BW or Grady employees would troll forums? Doubt it.

JerseyDom posted 05-21-2004 12:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for JerseyDom  Send Email to JerseyDom     
Perhaps I am missing something here, ut as it is a thru-hull transducer fitting, won't it have been fitted in the area specifically allocated for transducers in the hull that is thinner and does not contain the foam and inner liner ?
David Pendleton posted 05-21-2004 07:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I never noticed the email address, but it doesn't surprise me.

I was curious about one thing...

When I bought my boat, I considered a bronze thru-hull for the fishfinder. I later decided against it because it would have been a bear to install. The transducer itself was football-shaped with a large, threaded cylinder that went through the hull. To install it would have required drilling a suitable *round* hole in the transducer mounting area.

Why are the samples this guy is showing shaped like the transducer and not the stem? And why so huge?

It's clear he has an axe to grind, but this doesn't seem even remotely logical to me.

Dave

TRAFFICLAWYER posted 05-21-2004 07:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
The Hydrasport TROLLER has been found out and reduced to rubble on the other sites. Happy ending, GO WHALERS!!!

Post New Topic  Post Reply
Hop to:


Contact Us | RETURN to ContinuousWave Top Page

Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Freeware Version 2000
Purchase our Licensed Version- which adds many more features!
© Infopop Corporation (formerly Madrona Park, Inc.), 1998 - 2000.