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Controversy RE: Whaler Hull
|Author||Topic: Controversy RE: Whaler Hull|
posted 05-20-2004 05:53 PM ET (US)
I'm not sure what to make of this?
posted 05-20-2004 06:00 PM ET (US)
posted 05-20-2004 07:21 PM ET (US)
Wow! Had I been shown the hull cross-sections without the labels, I would have guessed the thicker to be from the Whaler with the white layer being the foam sandwiched between the outer hull and the inner liner. Which begs the question regarding the purported Whaler hull section: Where IS the foam and inner liner? Could they have switched the hull sections or labels? I'm looking forward to hearing from the knowledgeable members of this forum who have seen the actual construction of Whalers and can shed light on this.
|Tom W Clark||
posted 05-20-2004 07:37 PM ET (US)
Apples and oranges. It's a ridiculous comparison that was designed to make the Whaler sample look bad.
Note that the sample of the Hydra Sport is about 6 inches long and is a full thickness cut-out including both inside and outside hull skins.
The Whaler sample is about 2 1/2" long and is only one skin peeled away from the rest of the cut-out. Very little of the plywood has even been left on that skin.
This makes the Hydra Sport sample appear to be huge.
As to plywood being used in Whaler hulls, that always has been the case and is the case today.
posted 05-20-2004 07:49 PM ET (US)
It's on The HullTruth also:
posted 05-20-2004 08:33 PM ET (US)
I pity the Hydrasports owner when the transducer comes loose and that massive hole is left to fill his boat with water and sent it to the bottom. Clearly this guy doesn't like Whalers and want's to stir the pot, evidenced by his post on 2 different forums. If he was legit, he'd show the holes in the hulls and the transducers installed, not just some scraps of material. By the way, how much strength does that filler putty add to the hull of the non-Whaler?
posted 05-20-2004 08:37 PM ET (US)
We don't need some foreign commie website to talk about Boston Whaler hull core samples. Hell, boys, we can talk about Boston Whaler hull core samples right here!
Take a look at this one:
This is a sample kicking around a dealership. It wasn't marked as being from a particular boat. It is sitting on a 180 DAUNTLESS.
It appears to show, from top down:
--Gelcoat (thin white layer)
I asked the salesman what those two layers of white material were. He replied, "DivinyCell."
You heard it here first.
posted 05-20-2004 08:43 PM ET (US)
Thanks, Mr. Jimh, I'm gonna paste it right back at em!
posted 05-20-2004 10:03 PM ET (US)
It seems to me if I was going to spend $20,000 dollars on an installation I would think that the guys doing it have done similar installations before and would know a little about what they are cutting into.
I had my wood locater sheet in hand before one hole was drilled in my Dauntless. Nowhere does Whaler claim their boats are wood free and when I went on the plant tour Chuck Bennett was proud to defend wood as the strongest/best material in transoms and backing once sealed in foam and glass. It also seems the other core is finished on both sides neglecting to show maybe 2 feet? of foam above the Whaler skin.
|Knot at Work||
posted 05-20-2004 10:31 PM ET (US)
I think that piece of the whaler came off my RPS... Just a flesh wound! Give it back... I need it use as a Type 2 PFD, it already has a hole to slip a Knot thru
posted 05-20-2004 10:50 PM ET (US)
If I just spent a bundle of money on electronics, and the supplier used my boat as an example (right or wrong) in a negative fashion, I would be upset. Frankly, it reminds of the bad old days when the domestics were swatting Honda... Instead of responding to uninformed drivel, they (Honda) just kept getting better and better... Someone has to set a quality standard, and Whaler is a great candidate.
posted 05-21-2004 07:58 AM ET (US)
I'm not going to join in on the argument about the cores, although it seems suspect to me. I am going to say that if that site is not justification for Jim's stance that this site does not need graphics I don't know what is.
What a bunch of fluff. It's practically impossible to find the content.
posted 05-21-2004 08:34 AM ET (US)
Because I wasn't there when the ship hit the sand, I can only evaluate the evidence presented and said to be true and correct.
However, a couple of things disturb me...they just don't jive.
it was a great boat..strong and seaworthy..in rough water..I believe the cross section to be correct in this part of photo
it is my feeling..that the sample provided is incomplete.
as Dennis Miller puts it, just my opinion, I could be wrong.
now think about this...I, in the course of my job, as a boat rigger, used to work for a bayliner,sea ray,ski natiques, centurian,tracker, fisher, maxum dealership; on several occassions, I had to dia-assemble side combings on approx 35 foot cierra bayliners and trophies..the external hulls were so thin, I could almost read a newspaper thru them,
posted 05-21-2004 10:12 AM ET (US)
The poster of the pictures of the 32 Outrage on THT and the other forum has his email address in his profile.
Kind of analogous to if Maria Shriver, in her reporter role, would grill Gray Davis at a public appearance with: "Is it true you still take kickbacks?"
I wonder if BW or Grady employees would troll forums? Doubt it.
posted 05-21-2004 12:32 PM ET (US)
Perhaps I am missing something here, ut as it is a thru-hull transducer fitting, won't it have been fitted in the area specifically allocated for transducers in the hull that is thinner and does not contain the foam and inner liner ?
posted 05-21-2004 07:11 PM ET (US)
I never noticed the email address, but it doesn't surprise me.
I was curious about one thing...
When I bought my boat, I considered a bronze thru-hull for the fishfinder. I later decided against it because it would have been a bear to install. The transducer itself was football-shaped with a large, threaded cylinder that went through the hull. To install it would have required drilling a suitable *round* hole in the transducer mounting area.
Why are the samples this guy is showing shaped like the transducer and not the stem? And why so huge?
It's clear he has an axe to grind, but this doesn't seem even remotely logical to me.
posted 05-21-2004 07:54 PM ET (US)
The Hydrasport TROLLER has been found out and reduced to rubble on the other sites. Happy ending, GO WHALERS!!!
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