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whalerdude posted 06-21-2004 11:01 PM ET (US)   Profile for whalerdude   Send Email to whalerdude  
Did any of you Montauk 170 owners (new design) look closely at the Edgewater 175cc before buying your New Montauk?

I just checked the Edgewater boats website and the 175cc model is beautiful. It has that wonderful Dougherty smirk that I loved on my old outrage and classic montauk.

Plus, I can get Yamaha power from the factor. They seem like very well built boats.

I am interested in hearing your opinions on this before I order my next boat.

AQUANUT posted 06-21-2004 11:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for AQUANUT  Send Email to AQUANUT     
edgewater...florida.....hmmmm

co-incidencely the home of whaler...hmmmmm

just cause it looks like elvis, sings like elvis doesn't mean its elvis....geeeeeesh!

same reason I don't use nutri-sweet
I want the real sugar!

erik selis posted 06-22-2004 02:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Have you ever tried banging on the hull of the Edgewater with your fist? You certainly will hear and feel the difference.
True, the Edgewater 175cc looks like a nice boat and probably is. It has a well shaped hull and some nice features but it still doesn't compare to the 170 Montauk. Actually no boat in it's class does. Neither in construction quality nor price.

Erik

macfam posted 06-22-2004 07:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for macfam  Send Email to macfam     
While at the New England Boat Show back in February, I took a close look at the Edgewater line.
Much to my surprise, Edgewater boats are NOT foam filled up to the gunnels. There is space between the hull and hull liner. It appeared to be all the way from the waterline to the gunnel.
They claim to be unsinkable, but I doubt it's anywhere near to the level of a Whaler.
I'm sure with their grid system they make a solid boat, but they are not built like a Whaler.
Seemed to me that the price for Edgewaters were comparible to same size Whalers, perhaps even higher.
I don't believe they will hold up as well, nor command the same re-sale value as Boston Whalers.
pacis posted 06-22-2004 07:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for pacis  Send Email to pacis     
I have a few thoughts and facts. I looked at both and heard that Edgewater does NOT stand behind the warranty. Also some stability issues came up from knowlegeable friends. Have dauntless 18' with T-top with 4cycle Yam. My third Whaler. Lastly, I have heard that the original edgewaters were built very tough, but they learned that they have to survive and make money, so they have been modified down in construction..
whalerdude posted 06-23-2004 12:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerdude  Send Email to whalerdude     
you would think that if Bob Dougherty was trying to make his own boat he would make it as good or better than a Whaler. His designs while at whaler were awesome. Too bad he is not executing them as when at whaler. I guess I'll stick with Whaler. I have never even seen an edgewater up close. there are no dealers around here. I just get tired of the limited options on the montauk. I really want one with a 115 efi from the factory.
LHG posted 06-23-2004 01:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Jack - Dougherty sold Edgewater about 5 years ago, and I don't think is involved at all. Just look at their newer designs. No "Whaler" look at all under the new ownership.

Buy the Whaler with a 90 4-stroke, and you're getting "Yamaha" power anyway!

Or even better, since I'm in the market for a pair of Merc 90 2-strokes, buy it with the 2-stroke, and I'll take it off your hands (for some minor discount) and you can pick up the 115 EFI of your choice.

whalerdude posted 06-23-2004 07:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerdude  Send Email to whalerdude     
Larry:
Thanks for the offer. I like the idea of buying the boat with the 2 stroke. The 115 EFI will be perfect.I will let you know when I get it.
I have to wait until we move in to our new house in 3 weeks.

Jack M.

WaveChaser posted 06-25-2004 11:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for WaveChaser  Send Email to WaveChaser     
A little different perspective. I have been a faithful Boston Whaler Owner my entire life, that is, until I bought my Edgewater 175cc. I still love Whalers but absolutely love the Edgewater. As everyone knows, Edgewater founder, Bob Dougherty was a Sr. VP and Designer at Whaler. He is responsible for the Whaler smirk and many successful Whaler designs. Dougherty moved to Edgewater Floride when Whaler moved its factory there from Rockland Mass. He left after Reebok bought the company and started Edgewater Boats. His designs at Edgewater continue to be excellent and they have lifetime warranty on their hulls. I find the quality of the hull and stainless to be top notch, like the classic Whalers.

While it is true Dougherty sold the majority of the company to North Sails, he still owns and is involved with the company (See the website www.ewboats.com).

When it came down to the decision I compared the Edgewater 175cc to the Montauk 170 I felt (and still believe) the Edgewater was more boat for me.

The 175 cc is 17' 6" with a 7'3" beam, compared to the smaller Whaler that is 17' long with a 6' 10" beam. May not seem like much until you put them side by side. Also, the hull weight on the Edgewater is 400 lbs heavier that the Montauk. As far as the engines, the Edgewater comes with a Yamaha 115 horsepower 4 stroke and the Whaler maximum is only 90 horsepower Mercury. Also, the Edgewater has internal (40 gallon) gas tanks and the Whaler comes with two external tanks(12 gallons apiece).

I am not knocking the Montauk 170 it is a great boat. It is just that for me the 175cc rode like a bigger boat and seems to deliver as much or more than the 170. I don't think you will go wrong with either choice.

Toughest part about buying the Edgewater was selling my 1989 Whaler (Pre-Reebok & Brunswick Ownership).

whalerdude posted 06-25-2004 03:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerdude  Send Email to whalerdude     
Wavechaser.

Did your boat come as a package with trailer?

What does a rig like yours cost with trailer?

Does it fit in your garage?

Thanks

Whalerdude

Beaner posted 06-26-2004 09:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for Beaner  Send Email to Beaner     

Whalerdude,

I looked very seriously at the Edgewater 175 before buying my Montauk 170. Although I do agree that in a chop the Edgewater is a better riding boat, I feel the Montauk is more stable when drifting or at rest. This was a more important factor since I fish most of the time in moderate boat traffic and a "tipsy" boat just won't cut it. Also, it seemed the Edgewater's console was unusable for any storage space. The gas issue doesn't bother me because I like the flexability of the Montauk (have Pate C24). The two main deciding factors though were money and safety. My Montauk came in at $19000 with 90 2 stroke and all the options including the trailer. The Edgewater was around $27,500 without the trailer. Also, after speaking with every experienced boater I know (some are even charter captains), they all said that if I was going to buy a boat under 20 feet, then my only option was a Whaler. Although I'm sure the Edgewater is a safe boat, pound on each of the hulls and you'll hear the difference in foam amounts. Hope this helps.

WaveChaser posted 06-28-2004 11:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for WaveChaser  Send Email to WaveChaser     
My Edgewater didn't come as a package. The Boat and Yamaha engine are sold as package around $25K. trailer was purchased seperaqtely from Edgewater dealer.When I priced the Montauk 170 It came as a boat/motor/trailer package (with Merc 4stroke) for just under $25K.

The Whaler and Edgewater are both great boats. I don't think you will be unhappy with whichever you pick.

WaveChaser posted 06-28-2004 12:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for WaveChaser  Send Email to WaveChaser     
WhalerDude,

BTW, the Edgewater 175 boat does fit in the garage (just fits). The Edgewater 185cc does not, the problem is the bridge clearance.

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