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SteviLad posted 06-29-2004 10:42 PM ET (US)   Profile for SteviLad   Send Email to SteviLad  
My neighbor at the marina is contemplating the purchase of a new Whaler. I took him for a ride in my Nantucket 190 with a 150 Opti. He liked the boat alot, but would like to stay within a tighter budget, & was asking me to compare the ride & performance of a Montauk 170 with a 90 HP Merc. to the Nantucket. Since I've never been on a Montauk, I wasn't sure if the different hull design would make for a much different ride, especially in choppy water. Any advice? He likes both boats, but is very aware of the price differential, & is trying to see if the difference in boats justifies the difference in price.
WT posted 06-29-2004 10:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Have him buy a used Nantucket.

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/006273.html

He would probably like the Montauk too. Have him get a test ride at the local BW dealer.

WT

erik selis posted 06-30-2004 03:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Steve,

I own a 170 Montauk with 90-hp 2-stroke Mercury engine. Personally I find this combination just fine. It has a great hole shot and reaches top speeds good enough for me. I have also been out on a Nantucket with a 115-hp 2-stroke OPTIMAX. I wasn't impressed with this particular motor on the Nantucket. The boat really is underpowered. The 115-hp carb. 2-stroke performs much better on this boat as does the 135 and 150 Optimax motors. I have often nagged about this 115 Optimax but if you are offshore, or in coastal waters, running against the tide and wind, you need available power that listens quickly to your demand.

The Nantucket is a larger boat than the 170 Montauk and it feels bigger. Although not all that much. I guess you could take both boats out offshore on similar days but the Nantucket would handle the larger chop a bit better.

Pro's Nantucket:

-nicer console (easier to steer when standing also)
-built-in fuel tank
-less wind sensitive (harbour manoeuvring)
-rodholders in gunwale
-seats at the stern that CAN be used as seats
-live bait facility
-softer ride with equal chop
-in general, more space

-Con's Nantucket:

-weight (and everything that goes with it: i.e. fuel consumption boat and towing vehicle)
-price
-insurance costs

I think the most important question your neighbour should ask himself is what his main boating activities are and how many passengers he's planning on taking out on a regular basis. The Nantucket can comfortably seat 5 (maybe 6)with a cooler mounted up front. The 170 Montauk 4 persons.

My 2 cents,

Erik

Sal A posted 06-30-2004 07:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Steve,

This is not supposed to be a smart-alec response. If he boats near an ocean, and not on a small lake, suggest he will save money buy buying the 19 footer, and not dealing with the inevitable trade-up in two years. I speak from experience when I say I wish someone told me that my fist time around last year. I bought a 16ft Ventura and traded up almost immediately.

Sal A posted 06-30-2004 07:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Just noticed this 2002 18 Dauntless with 12 hours in Marketplace:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/006273.html

Sal A posted 06-30-2004 07:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
I am a dope.

That link was for TG190's boat.

Here is the 18 Dauntless:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/006537.html

RonB posted 06-30-2004 08:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for RonB  Send Email to RonB     
I had the 170 (a 2003, 90 HP ELPTO) and fished on a Nantucket (135 Opti).

If you are fishing offshore or nearshore there is no comparison, spend a few more dollars and go with the Nantucket.

The Nantucket had self bailing scuppers, the Montauk does not. Being on the Nantucket offshore and fishing in the bay with my Montauk helped me make the choice to trade in my Montauk for the Outrage that I own today.

Ron

SteviLad posted 06-30-2004 05:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for SteviLad  Send Email to SteviLad     
Thanks for all of the insightful feedback.
I think that a better comparison for my neighbor would be to check out a Dauntless 16 with a fishing pkg vs. the Nantucket. The local dealer has 2 in stock with 115 Merc 4 strokes. The cost difference is 1/2 of what the Nantucket would be, & they have an internal fuel tank, self bailing cockpit, tilt wheel, & a deeper V hull, similar to the Nantucket, for a better ride in the rough stuff.
CraigG posted 07-02-2004 01:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for CraigG  Send Email to CraigG     
Steve,

You should have a look at the new 205 Eastport. This looks like the perfect little Whaler. Here is the link to it on the Whaler website.

http://www.whaler.com/Rec/default.asp?content=whalernews3&story=5

Maybe someone here has more info on this boat.

Craig

Marlin posted 07-03-2004 10:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Marlin  Send Email to Marlin     
Steve,

I have a 160 Dauntless with a 115 4-stroke. It's a very nice boat, without question. A few weeks ago I had the pleasure of running across the Chesapeake in 3-foot chop with a 190 Nantucket running a 115 2-stroke.

Obviously we both made it, and neither of us were worried about it. But there's no question that the extra waterline length and weight gave the Nantucket a much nicer ride, and they were also able to hold a little bit higher speed in the chop than we were. On the flat water, the lighter Dauntless is a bit faster, which isn't surprising since 115 HP is the Dauntless' maximum power and the Nantucket's minimum. The Nantucket also looks to run with a nicer trim than the Dauntless, which is fairly sensitive to engine trim setting and prone to porpoising if you're not attentive on the trim switch.

In interior size, there is no comparison between the two boats. The extra length and beam results in much, much more space in the Nantucket. In two diagrams, which are classic Moe contributions, give you a good idea of comparitive size of many of the smaller Whalers:
http://www.engr.udayton.edu/staff/lriggins/Whaler/smallerWhalers.gif
http://www.engr.udayton.edu/staff/lriggins/Whaler/170GDvs170MTvs190GDvs190NT.jpg

Naturally, all that size comes at a price, and not just in initial cost. You can trailer a 160 Dauntless with a vehicle that has a 3000-3500 pound limit, which includes many passenger cars, minivans, small pickups, and car-based SUVs. You'll need a 5000 pound limit for the 190 Nantucket, bringing you into the mid-size pickup or truck-based SUV market.

There's a good discussion of the 160 Dauntless as a first boat at http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001278.html .

-Bob

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