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Vashon posted 07-01-2004 01:47 AM ET (US)   Profile for Vashon   Send Email to Vashon  
Yeah I know the obvious answer but here's the deal:

I already have a 29' Offshore Performance Boat, I have always wanted a Whaler so I convinced my wife it was time to get a Whaler to cruise around the inland Puget Sound waters & teach my little boy about fishing & crabbing.

We went to the BW open house last weekend & I have had the 13 Sport in mind. So I put a deposit on a new 2004 w/ the comfort package & bow rail. 40 2 stroke.

Decided to pick it up after the holiday, but now I am stewing that I might need a bit bigger for the Sound that can kick up instantly.
The usage also will be as a commuter vessel between the mainland & the Island (20 mile run.)

The Boat show price between the 13 Sport & the 17 Montauk is $8436.

At this point I want to keep the price down, since it is a second boat, but I am wondering if the differnce between $8436 is well worth going to the Montauk....Or will the 13 Sport be sufficient. The boat would probably sit on the hook at the island on the weekends, etc.

Both boats are obviously BW Classics & I would be proud to own either one.
Appreciate any input, thank you.

whalerfran posted 07-01-2004 09:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalerfran    
No question about it. The Montauk. When the Sound kicks up, you will think the additional $8K+ outlay was worth every penny. For all the uses you mention, the Montauk is preferable to the 13 because of the significant difference in size.
Legobusier posted 07-01-2004 09:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for Legobusier  Send Email to Legobusier     
I have to agree. Between the two, I think the Montauk is the way to go. As you're probably aware if you've been following any of the threads in the marketplace lately, they Montauk is one of the most sought-after Whalers ever made. They made them forever but they're STILL hard to find - ask yourself why that is. The 13 is a fine boat, but it's not big and most people that buy them quickly outgrow them.

I have to ask, why did you jump over the 15? Might be a good compromise.

Chris

ghefty posted 07-01-2004 09:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for ghefty  Send Email to ghefty     
It's better to go larger and hopefully never need it, than to go smaller and wish you had. Expecially if the boat will eventually go to your son. He'll love the 17 when your ready to give it to him. Besides if it will be the commuter vessel, the 17 can carry more than the 13.

George
'03 M170 90-4s

Vashon posted 07-01-2004 10:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for Vashon  Send Email to Vashon     
Thank you for the responses guys.
I skipped over the 15 because they don't have any in stock & moreover, the gap between the 15 Sport & 17 Montauk was $4436 which to me was worth the diff to go to the Montauk.

Now I need to convince the wife, as part of the deal was the price of the 13 Sport. I'm sure it would work just fine, might still have to go that route but I'll shoot for the 17.

Interesting point is the salesman at the Whaler dealer is telling me that the 13 will suit my needs just fine & I don't need the 17. He says many guys are running the 13's around the Sound & they handle the water great.
I would assume he would want the bigger sales, but then again maybe they find it pretty easy to sell a Montauk.

Thanks for the help!

Legobusier posted 07-01-2004 10:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for Legobusier  Send Email to Legobusier     
quote:
Interesting point is the salesman at the Whaler dealer is telling me that the 13 will suit my needs just fine & I don't need the 17. He says many guys are running the 13's around the Sound & they handle the water great.
I would assume he would want the bigger sales, but then again maybe they find it pretty easy to sell a Montauk.

Thing here is, while he's right the boat might fit your needs, he'll likely get TWO sales out of this deal - if not more. Your original purchase of a 13, your purchase of a 17 a year from now and the sale of your old 13 that you trade in on the 17. :)

He's a SALESMAN......keep that in mind. (no offense intended to you sales types out there).

Chris

Moe posted 07-01-2004 10:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Let me second Chris's suggestion to look at the 150 Sport. At 2'2" longer and 7" wider, it's a lot roomier than the 130, and the front seat swings up and removes for more room in the boat. The cockpit sole is about as long as the 170's, and it's only 4" narrower. While it isn't as focused on fishing as the center console 170 Montauk, there's plenty of room for two fishing, one in the bow and one in the stern area. The aft seat alone is roomy enough for three adults. Just a thought.

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Moe

Legobusier posted 07-01-2004 10:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Legobusier  Send Email to Legobusier     
Something else to consider with this (even with the 15 assuming it's still in the running) is the driving configuration on the boats. The 13 and 15 are sit down boats, they're pretty much the same other than the length. Fine for youngsters and young adults, but you will take a pounding in the chop.

The Montauk is (more of) a stand up driving boat. Your back will thank you later for not hitting waves sitting down once you get older.

Chris

Camuyano posted 07-01-2004 11:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for Camuyano  Send Email to Camuyano     
The price difference between a 13 and a Montauk is only $8K?! Is that with the 60hp? With what I paid for the Montauk that would put the 13 at around $15K. That's a lot of money for the amount of boat you're getting. (Assuming that the options on the Montauk and the 13 are comparable and that I didn't way overpay for my Montauk.)

I am very happy with the Montauk. I think it is as close to the perfect boat as I could get. It is easy to trailer, launch, maintain and store, but feels big enough to handle most of the weather I may encounter. It is also extremely versatile; I can take it fishing one evening with a couple of buddies and on the weekend throw the bow cushion in and go for a cruise with some friends.

Like you I had convince my wife to spring for a few extra Ks but I was looking at other center console boats in the 17 to 18-foot range as well as some runabouts and fish-and-skis. I think that if I were looking at the 13 and the difference between it and a 17 was only $8K, I would either jump at the 17 or look at other 13' skiffs. When you consider the price of the Montauk it is a pretty good value when you compare it to what some of the runabouts sell for and, in my opinion, the size difference and the layout of the Montauk makes it the clear winner. That's my $0.02.

Imanuel

BemidjiWhaler posted 07-01-2004 12:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for BemidjiWhaler  Send Email to BemidjiWhaler     
Vashon,

My first Whaler was a 1976 13'. I bought it new and traded it in last year (for 3 times what I paid for it) on a 2003 Montauk. The 13' boat was great, but I should have purchased the Montauk in '76.

If you are making 20 mile runs in Puget Sound, get the Montauk.

Royboy posted 07-01-2004 01:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
I bought a 13 Sport two weeks ago and thought it was the perfect boat, until that is, I visited the local BW dealer and saw a Montauk up close and personal. Big mistake, since they are about $20K out the door with a 90 merc vs. about half that for a 13 equipped like mine. Now, granted, this might be something like two-foot itis, or it might be common sense trying to kick in. Most of my boating will be on inland lakes, and most of those lakes are small, a task well suited to my 13. However, I also like to fish the big water (Great Lakes) and with the 13 I really have to pick my days and run like heck if the weather starts to look ugly. I know from experince that 3 footers and the occaisional 4 footer won't be life threatening, but they are no picnic either. What I like to call a "white knuckler". I'll be buying a Montauk within a year, or resigning myself to inland lakes only with my boat. In this example the Montauk is roughly double the cost, but in my humble opinion, it's double the boat too.

Roy

Marsh posted 07-01-2004 01:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marsh  Send Email to Marsh     
I'd look for a used Montauk...same price as the new 13', but a lot more boat.

Marsh

jflots posted 07-01-2004 02:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for jflots  Send Email to jflots     
They say maintenance doubles with every 5' of boat.
JohnL posted 07-01-2004 02:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for JohnL  Send Email to JohnL     
V,

I grew up on puget sound with a 13' sport. It was and still is a great boat. When I became a teenager a friends dad got him a Montauk. WOW! that was sooo much kooler. Bigger, faster, more girls will fit in it! You can go water skiing, more girls will fit in it. :-)

John L.

Vashon posted 07-01-2004 10:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Vashon  Send Email to Vashon     
Hey Guys, thanks for all the replies, this is great!
I spent some time again at the dealer today. 13 Sport with 40hp is $10,995. 17 Montauk with 90hp is $19,431. Both motors are 2-strokes. Both thiese deals were boat show specials over the weekend.
Problem is now, I really WANT the Montauk, but the wife is digging her heels in a major way.
I got her to sign off on the 13 Sport becuase it was "a fun little boat for my son & I". I painted a picture of light Harbor cruising. Now of course I want the bigger boat because of the obvious, & thoughts of more winter boating.

She's not really giving in because I already have a 29' Fountain Powerboat.

Now I am worried I won't be happy in the 13....Sheesh. I'll have to dive into the thought process again tonight. Thank you for all your comments!

Jarhead posted 07-02-2004 08:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jarhead  Send Email to Jarhead     
Don't know if this will help Vashon but if you can wait for the end of the boating season there in Washington you should be able to cut the price on a new Montack quite a bit. Might make it easier to sell the idea to the better half?
Legobusier posted 07-02-2004 11:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for Legobusier  Send Email to Legobusier     
I figured it out.

Here's what you do.

Buy the 13 and in a year or two, trade it AND the wife in on a Montauk. :)

(I'm kidding of course).

If I were in your situation, I do think I would look at the 15.

Chris

Divedog posted 07-02-2004 04:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Divedog  Send Email to Divedog     
You might check out Lake Union Sea Ray. They had an '03 Montauk they were really trying to move when I bought my '04.
AllanR posted 07-02-2004 04:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for AllanR  Send Email to AllanR     
Its simple. Buy the little woman a trinket of her own.
oysterman posted 07-02-2004 07:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for oysterman  Send Email to oysterman     
Vashon,
As a fellow Washingtonian, go with the bigger boat. You will be so happy you did. You can do much more with it. The 13 will be a little cramped. We do everything with ours from skiing to crabbing up on the Canal.
Joe Kriz posted 07-02-2004 09:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
Guys,

Is there something we can do with the terminology of these newer boats?

The Boston Whaler Catalogs list these newer boats as:
130 Sport
150 Sport
170 Montauk
and so on.

You are all calling them something different then what is listed in the catalog which can be confusing to people like me. (I know, I have a hard time)

When people doing a search for these boats using the search engine, these boats "Will Not" show up. The older 13's and older 17 Montauks show up on the search engine because this is what you are calling your Whalers.

What do you all think?
It sure would be easier to find something if everyone called the boat what it really is, a 130 Sport. Then when you type in 130 Sport, Bingo, lots of threads that can be viewed.

Just my opinion and maybe someone else has some other ideas...

Respectfully,
Joe

Joe Kriz posted 07-02-2004 09:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
I forgot to mention that Moe seems to be the only one referring to these boats by their proper names.

Moe knows boats.... :-)

Thanks Moe..

Moe posted 07-02-2004 10:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
You're welcome, Joe. One thing I'd like to add to your request is that the proper model name of the boat(s) be put in the subject. Doing a view messages from the last two years, and then going through them with the browser's Find/Search function works pretty quickly.

--
Moe

Matthew posted 07-02-2004 10:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Matthew  Send Email to Matthew     
I've made that twenty mile run in both my 170 and my former 15' sport more times than I can count. An outgoing tide and a stiff North wind gets the chop up fast as does an inswinger and a Southerly. It is also safer to stand, as the deadheads(my apologies to Jerry and the band) stack up pretty thick off Alki Point and in the right sun/wave conditions they become darn near impossible to see from a low vantage point. Todays tide is moving out around 16' and although the wind isn't blowing hard right now, 10-20 mph is not uncommon. I would sure hate to leave my boat in the city over a long weekend because of the conditions.

Now if one were to set the boat on a bouy you could justify the smaller boat.

Just one totally biased 170 Montauk owners opinion,
Matt

mikeyairtime posted 07-04-2004 10:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for mikeyairtime    
That little boy is going to get big and want to wakeboard and waterski. The Montauk with a 90 horse will pull my 200lbs on a single ski.
whalerajm posted 07-06-2004 06:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerajm  Send Email to whalerajm     
Go with the 170...if money is an issue buy a used Montauk...I'd take a used Montauk over a nerw 13 Sport anyday. I'd take a well preserved classic Montauk over a new 170 Montauk.
frontier posted 07-06-2004 11:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for frontier  Send Email to frontier     
Buy a good used Dauntless or Montauk for less money than a new Sport 13!
sanjaun2 posted 07-12-2004 01:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for sanjaun2  Send Email to sanjaun2     
just got back from spending 10 days on the water in the sanjuans and we had a blast with our 130 sport, Granted we had to slow down a little when it gets rough but still on plane cruising good. The new 130's do not pound nearly as bad as the older ones. the 17 will burn twice as much gas and fuel prices in the islands gets pretty damm expensive. You will love the 130
Phil Tyson posted 07-16-2004 11:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for Phil Tyson  Send Email to Phil Tyson     
Vashon -

You mention that this boat will be for transportation....20 miles.

A 130 will suit you if the water is glass to light chop. A Montauk will allow you more comfort (standing) and ride smoother in a chop and rougher weather.

My bias - 170.

Get a dealer to take you and your wife out and feel the difference.

Worse case, sell the Fountain, buy Jim H's Revenge and a 170 and then buy your wife a big gift.

skippster posted 07-19-2004 10:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for skippster  Send Email to skippster     
I love my 13' Whaler but for a 20 mile offshore run the Montauk is a safer boat with more capacity. I use my 13 for inshore fishing and "skinny water" where it excels, if I am going offshore I prefer a 19' Grady White.
Vashon posted 07-23-2004 12:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for Vashon  Send Email to Vashon     
Well Fellas, thanks for all your replies.
I just got back from vacation with the new Whaler.

My wife would not give in on the Montauk, she went for the 13 because of the price. No matter how hard I tried, she would only let me spend $10k, not $20k.

So for now it was 13 Sport or no Whaler. You know the answer.
It has the comfort package option & the grabrail option, extra tank & a 40 horse 2 stroke.

Anyway, so far I have gone through 11 tanks of fuel & run the piss outta the little bugger. What fun!
I put it in Puget Sound straight from the dealer & ran it for 10 days straight, mooring buoy at night.
I have got into some rough water & am amazed of how dry the ride still is for a boat this size.

This little boat is extremely addictive, my 2 year old boy & I have had great times looking, cruising around & sightseeing, poking around marinas, anchorages & such.

The commute from my home to the island must be shorter than 20 miles, because it takes just under 30 minutes in the Whaler @ 3500 rpm.

Anyway, I am positive it will not be my last Whaler, I just wanted to update everybody & thank you for all your responses.

Joe Kriz posted 07-23-2004 01:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
Vashon,

What year 13 Sport did you purchase as they are no longer made?

I guess you have no idea what model you bought. If you bought a new one, the new ones are called the 130 Sport, Not a 13' Sport....

I am not kidding here..... Please, get your facts and your terminolgy straight.

Yes, I am testee...... tonight.....

DaveNJ posted 07-23-2004 07:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for DaveNJ  Send Email to DaveNJ     
Vashon,
Good job. I am glad to hear you are having fun with your new boat. Good luck with it!

Dave

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