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kamie posted 07-06-2004 03:52 PM ET (US)   Profile for kamie   Send Email to kamie  
I am looking for some owner impressions of both the 240 and 270 Outrages. Would love to hear what you like, and don't like about the boats and include some info on the conditions you have been in and comfortably made it back to port in.

thanks

--kamie

kamie posted 07-10-2004 06:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Does anyone here own one of these two Outrages?
ptortora posted 07-11-2004 06:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for ptortora  Send Email to ptortora     
About a week ago, I took delivery on a 240 Outrage with a 250 single Verado. It is equiped with most options including sun lounge (for the wife), overboard pumpout on the john, weather curtains, windlass anchor, SC5000 Smartguage, Upgraded helm seat w/ cooler, T-top...

Love the boat. I had a Nantucket for aprox. 6 weeks and although I liked it and feel it is a great boat for the money, I upgraded to the 240 due to the usual slop in my area and the desire for a better ride. Use it in Long Island Sound and for my maiden voyage I took her to the CT River from Branford (aprox. 31 mile run (point of entry to point of entry). Had 6 adults aboard, full tank of gas (150 gal), full tank of water (25 gal) and a full cooler (about 75 lbs). Handled wonderfully and wot (about 6k) was in the mid 40's. Planed nicely around 3k -- mid 20's mph. Day night difference from the Nantucket and I'm very happy with a single Verado.

Unfortunately, I've never had the pleasure of being out on a 270. I do know that an advantage is that the john can be porcelain, there is more interior room and of course, I would assume the few extra feet LOA would make a difference in ride. However, twins are necessary for the 270 (which to some is an advanatage) and gas consumption, etc. would be much higher. With the single Verado, I'm averaging 10gph thus far in spite of some test reports that show high fuel consumption at wot (I'm not one to spend a whole lot of time wot).

For electronics, I put in a Raymarine C80, a Raymarine DS600x fishfinder (didn't want to split the screen), and the Raymarine Radar 2kw dome option along with the Pathfinder Smart Heading Sensor for radar overly over the chart. Also put in a Icom 602 radio which has a hailer and auto fog horn. I did have a Garmin 2010c on the Nantucket and will say I liked it much better (of course it doesn't have radar ability but new 3000 series does). The C80 rebooted twice on a run I made this weekend which frustrated the heck out me.

Suggestion is to find a dealer that will let you do a sea trial on each boat.

I'll post a link shortly with some pictures.

Good luck with your decision.

ptortora posted 07-11-2004 08:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for ptortora  Send Email to ptortora     
Here are some photos... electronics not installed yet. Will post water shots and electronics shots soon.

www.tmedia.com/outrage

kamie posted 07-11-2004 08:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Thanks she looks great. I am looking for owner impressions at this point and when I am ready to seriously make some decisions I'll drop by my local dealer and take some rides.
erik selis posted 07-12-2004 06:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Very nice boat and a very nice picture presentation.

Erik

TomG posted 07-12-2004 09:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for TomG  Send Email to TomG     
Sweet looking boat! Nice website as well...I'm in the multimedia business too...it's nice to see some well-executed Flash. Enjoy the 240...

Tom

ptortora posted 07-12-2004 10:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for ptortora  Send Email to ptortora     
Thanks Tom,

If you're into Flash, check out the Flash video of the Verado's marketing DVD.
The address is: www.tmedia.com/verado

Peter posted 07-12-2004 11:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Congratulations on the new boat. From seeing the Verado tilted up in your photos, what happens if you have the motor turned to port or starboard and then tilt the motor up? I assume either nothing happens until the motor is centered or it becomes automatically centered when tilted up.
RonB posted 07-12-2004 12:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for RonB  Send Email to RonB     
Since we are starting to see Verado's on the new Whaler's, I came across an interesting article on the design of the Verado that you all might find interesting. Not trying to hijack Kamie's thread, sorry if it doesn't fit Jim, I think the article fits nicely if you are considering a Verado with a new Whaler. The article is not from a marine trade magazine, that, in itself, is interesting.

Ron

http://www.designnews.com/article/CA426239

kamie posted 07-12-2004 06:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Ron,
Hijack away. I am really looking to get some discussion on the larger Outrages and those are the ones with new Verando's so it fits in my book.

ptortora,
did you try the 210 Outrage before you settled on the 240?
I never realized until you mentioned that the 240 only has the portable head. Guess I need to go through the specs closer.

jimh posted 07-13-2004 02:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Those Verado videos are great! Thanks for making them available.

Seeing them rekindled my Verado enthusiasm. I'd like to hear more about the on-the-water results with the Outrage 240 - Verado combination.

erik selis posted 07-13-2004 05:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Kamie -

Are you planning on upgrading to a 240 or 270 Outrage?

Erik

kamie posted 07-13-2004 09:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Erik,

that is currently under discussion around my house. I think what kicked it into high gear was the ride in the 320 at the Tea Party. While I think the 320 is way too large for us, the comfort factor is important, especially for the folks that go out with me on a regular basis. For that reason I am looking at the 270 which still may be a bit big for what we need but I think the 210 is too small so maybe the 240 would be a nice middle ground.

kgregg posted 07-13-2004 10:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for kgregg  Send Email to kgregg     
>that is currently under discussion around my house.

Can I move in with you? [grin]

Let me know when you want some passengers for a ride on your soon-to-be-purchased Outrage 24. I'm in!

Kevin

kamie posted 07-13-2004 07:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Jim,
Boattest just published a test on the verado.
www.boattest.com/engine-test-general-info.aspx?ID=146
kamie posted 07-14-2004 10:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Kevin,

Not sure about the moving in but always willing to take passengers. In fact maybe before I buy we can all take a field trip to whalertowne and do our own version of the how many folks will fit in a VW bug or a phone booth, take your pick. Except this time it will be can you really get 12 people in a 240 and get her up on plane.

ptortora posted 07-14-2004 08:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for ptortora  Send Email to ptortora     
Kamie,

I did not try a 210. Went from the Nantucket directly to the 240. Many of my friends have boats that are in the 30-38' range and strongly suggested to me to go as large as my budget would allow (they keep telling me that sooner or later I'll be in the 30's). Not sure if this is a good approach but I did consider their advise when I made my decision. In fact, I strongly considered a 270 (liked the extra room) but just couldn't afford it at this time -- wanted to stay with a BW so the 240 stretched me as far as I could go.

kamie posted 07-22-2004 08:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Only one 240 owner? I find it hard to believe that BW has sold only 1 240 or 270 to a member of this group. Maybe your just all out fishing :)
RonB posted 07-22-2004 11:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for RonB  Send Email to RonB     
Kamie,

I just met a guy (Jim) in my marina with a 2003 240 Outrage. We are supposed to go fishing together but our schedules haven't quite worked out yet. When they do I'll be sure to bring my digital camera, should be later this summer. I've seen the boat in his slip, it's a tank compared to my 18 Outrage. He has the single 225 Opti with T-Top and leaning post. I have pointed him to this site, not sure if he registered yet. He bought the 240 last summer and loves it. The only thing he told me he'd do over is go with twin engines although some feel that the 240 is better designed for a single. Twins make her sit a little deep in the stern.

Ron

kamie posted 07-23-2004 08:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Ron,
thanks for the info on the twins.
Plotman posted 07-23-2004 04:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
I would think that boat would be only marginally powered at 225hp.

Dry, that hull is 4400 lbs, or 2x what a 22 classic is, where you often see a single 225.

A lot of people feel that twin 150s are just adequate for the classic 25, which weighs well over 1000lbs less than the 240.

homey posted 07-23-2004 10:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for homey  Send Email to homey     
I've looked over both models(240/270)this year at the boat shows in my area. I'm a owner of a 1991 Outrage/cuddy with twin 150's...In my opinion the floor space is really tight on the 240, and that boat is really a 21'in my book. That hull is really heavy and with single power it will be working really hard. (My 25' is much lighter and I can't imagine having any less horsepower) If your planning on keeping your next Whaler for a long time, go with the 270. If in doubt, go bigger you won't regret it in the long run. Homey.
kamie posted 07-24-2004 10:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Looking at the performance numbers on the 240, it looks like the twin 150's are the way to go there. Even with 2000# more weight they still plane faster, go 0 to 30 faster and get better milage than the singles.

Hoping that BW updates the performance info on the 270 to include a pair of Verado 250's. The max horsepower is 500 for the 270, and my guess is that it needs it.

newt posted 07-27-2004 08:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
Kamie, I know a guy with a 2002/2003 270-Outrage with twin Mercury 225 hp 4-bangers. He gets 50+ mph and is very happy with the power.
newt posted 07-27-2004 08:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
Kamie, I know a guy with a 2002/2003 270-Outrage with twin Mercury 225 hp 4-bangers. He gets 50+ mph and is very happy with the power.
newt posted 07-27-2004 08:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
Doh! I'm a little trigger happy this morning.
panther posted 07-27-2004 05:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for panther    
Personally, I think they both look like Sea Rays. The 24 is especially ugly due to it's short, squatty stature. Both models, and all Whalers in general are sorely lacking in Vee. Whalers always have ridden wet and rough and until the larger models are offered with a 24 degree vee, they alway will. But hey, what do I know?... I own a Regulator.
kamie posted 07-27-2004 10:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Newt,

What sort of mpg figures does your friend get with the fourstrokes? I am hoping that as BW picks the packages for 2005 they will fill out some of the performance numbers, including some of the fuel consumption information.

homey posted 07-29-2004 12:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for homey  Send Email to homey     
Panther, I must respond to your last post,and qoute,"But hey, what do I know"...I own a Regulator. Apparently, you haven't been on a 25'Outrage/whalerdrive. What I know, the boat is dry as a bone and the ride is pretty good too. The great thing, is the stability when trolling offshore, I don't have the roll you have with 24 degree deadrise...

I do agree the NEW Whalers do look like Searays. My biggest complaint is the lack of fishability. These newer Outrages aren't in my opinion, fishing boats. They are cruising boats with rod holders. The lack of cockpit room is laughable as are the sky high prices. My slightly older 25' Outrage has more room then the newer 27' that costs 4 times as much...If I were to upgrade, Contender would be my choice...However, the unsinkability factor is hard to beat when your offshore 60+ miles...

newt posted 07-29-2004 03:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
Kamie,

Top speed is actually 52 mph. Fuel consumption I can't help you with. He has never figured it, and the numbers would be skewed anyway. His boat has only two speeds - No wake and wide open.

kamie posted 07-29-2004 06:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Newt,
his two speeds sound like most of the folks around my marina. Although the there is a wide interpation of no wake.

panther, not sure if they look like Sea Ray's or not cause I am looking at Whaler's not Sea Rays. As for the wet and rough, you have never ridden in a 320 which is neither. At least not where I would take her and the weather I would be boating in.

panther posted 07-30-2004 02:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for panther    
homey,
You're correct; I've never ridden in a 25 w/ whaler drive. All I know is that a 24 degree vee gives a superior ride in the rough. It will roll more at rest, although chines eliminate some of this. I'll tell you what - most of my boating is on rough ass bays and gnarly Pacific ocean swells and over bars... I'll take my 26 Regulator with it's deep vee any day of the week. And if I'm 60 miles out and was sinking, I'd simply slip into my survival suit ($600) hit the epirb and wait for the helicopter. My insurance is paid up.

kamie,
By the time a boat gets up to the 32', over $100,00 range, it better damn well have a nice ride. C'mon, let's get real.

prj posted 07-30-2004 03:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
panther, didn't you recently purchase a 21' or 23' Outrage?
panther posted 07-30-2004 03:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for panther    
yep, a 21
I don't like the ride so I'm selling it (meaning no-int. loan) to my son.

I have two other boats also. I 42'Nordic Tug and a 26' Regulator w/ twin Yammie F225's

prj posted 07-30-2004 03:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
My, that's a quick turnaround on the 21'.

Looks like you still need to fill out that fleet
with a 15' Classic...

panther posted 07-30-2004 04:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for panther    
no thanks, my back and butt won't take the pounding
rtk posted 07-30-2004 09:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for rtk  Send Email to rtk     
I do not believe the gentleman who started this thread asked if the 240 or 270 looks like a Sea Ray. I do not recall him asking if the boat rides better or worse than a 26' Regulator, a 42' tugboat or a 21' Outrage.

I believe he was inquiring as to actual, first hand experience with these specific boats. Your response contains no factual comments on the topic of this thread.

I know when I seek advice on any product or problem I concentrate on information I can confirm. I can say, without hesitation, that the information you have provided is worthless. I do not understand the need to insert the information you provided except to engage others in conflict.

I am pleased to see you had the good sense to put your son in a boat that will give him much pleasure, hold a great deal of value and will let you sleep at night knowing he will be safe in his travels. No better testimonial to the Boston Whaler name.

"I don't give a crap about myself, but when it comes to my son I will have no other boat for him but a Boston Whaler! I own a 26' Regulator and a 42' tugboat. I choose to sell him a Boston Whaler."

Good luck in your search Kamie. I certainly did not mean to hijack your thread.

Rich

ptortora posted 07-31-2004 07:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for ptortora  Send Email to ptortora     
Panther,

My BW 240 rides dry as a bone and with extreme comfort. On another note, although I have only a single screw, it is a 250 Verado and has plenty of power. I've been out with up to 6 adults and a full tank of gas, etc. and it gets out of the hole nicely and has no problem going in the mid 40's. It cruises nicely in the 30's at a reasonable rpm. However, my intent on this response is to ask you how you like the 42' Nordic Tug? I looked at the 32' prior to buying my BW (I know, it is a whole different animal at a different price)

Thanks,
Paul

panther posted 07-31-2004 11:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for panther    
I love my Nordic Tug. The round reverse transom sheds water in a following sea. The fine entry bow slices the sea and provides a quiet, fuel efficient ride. When fishing from down riggers, the full keel and hard chine reduce roll. I've been able to cruise well over 1000 miles without refueling the wonderful Cummins. My girlfriend's love the interior layout and the boat is simply perfect for my PNW cruising, entertaining, fishing needs.
panther posted 07-31-2004 11:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for panther    
Oh, rtk, I could care LESS about your opinion. You can climb down off your soapbox.
kamie posted 08-01-2004 09:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
panther,
have you owned or spent time riding in a 240 or 270 Boston Whaler Outrage?
panther posted 08-01-2004 11:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for panther    
Nupe, just looked at them. Not enough vee for me. I'm sure the ride's OK, but still not as smooth at it could be. Like I said, I personally think Whalers should not look like Sea Rays (both of which are owned by the same parent company).
kamie posted 09-30-2004 06:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Has anyone else had the good fortune to own or spen time riding in either of these boats?
Ed Stone posted 10-08-2004 10:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
Kamie,
I did ride in the only other unsinkable 23/24 rigged
with twin 150 4-strokes.We were not far from shore,but
the wind was blowing hard.

I was impressed with how quiet the motors were at
idle.However at about 4000rpms they seemed to be as
loud as my Opti's.

It was the day before a hurricane was suppose to
hit here in Fl so like I said the wind was whipping.
At 4000rpms we were heading directly into 3 footers
at over 30 mph.At that speed it had a nice ride.
We were not launching off of waves and cavitating
like being 30 miles offshore and the sun is starting
to set behind you.

I backed it down hard against the waves and water
poured in through the transom door just like my
23 Outrage.And just like the Outrage water disapeared
quickly through the overboard drains.The 23/24 had
a serious 50 gallon baitwell feed buy two seperate
pumps.

The fishboxes were in the floor just like the Outrages.
(I can't understand why some boat builders put the boats
only fishbox in the bow.Are they crazy!Or have they
never been offshore in anything but calm seas?)

The majority of my boating is offshore fishing and
I do appreciate a good ride into a head sea.However,
I value the time my wife and kids go out on the boat.
With my Outrage we have the sunlounge with full cushions
and a bench seat that folds out in just a few seconds.

Like I said the other 23/24 rode real well in rough
water and had a nice baitwell.But I have grown
accustomed to storing all kinds of things under the
leaning post seats.(Outrage has tons of storage there).

The other unsinkable 23/24 also seemed very narrow
in front of the center console.

If all I did was get up,catch bait and go like hell
to the fishing spot everyday maybe that would be the
boat for me.No,I go to work,take care of the family
and get to go boating or fishing 3 or 4 times a month.
And with the outrage I have a comfortable bow area for
the family and a bench seat that folds out in just
a couple of seconds.

I hope to test the 240 outrage in the near future.
It should be a good compromise between my 20 degree
transom deadrise and some of the hardcore 24 degree
tournament boats.

Ed Stone

kamie posted 10-24-2004 12:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Thw 24 is definatly a sweet boat. Took a ride on one yesterday at Whalertowne's "Ticket To Ride" event. She cut across the wakes pretty well and handled nicely with a pair or 150HP Opti's on the back. Had we spend some more time on her and really varied the speed at which we took the chop and practiced with the trim tabs she would have made those 2+ footers smooth out nicely. I did notice some porposing at WOT with the t-top and once she started bouncing she really didn't stop until you slowed her down. If you are planning to stepup from the 18 Outrage or the Nantucket the 240 would be a nice step up. I did spend some time on the 210 but there doesn't seem to be the big size jump from my 18 that there is on the 240, between the 18 there is 2 foot to the 210 but 5 feet to the 240. One thing I noticed between the 240 and 270 is the consoles are identical as are the stern sections of the boat. It seems the additional length is forward of the console in the boat seating area.

For those of you that have 240's still looking to see how you like the boat. When I am ready to stepup I think the 240 will be what I would go for.

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