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petert posted 07-06-2004 04:50 PM ET (US)   Profile for petert   Send Email to petert  

We purchased a 1999 14 Dauntless this spring and we now have the Whaler bug (laugh). Since you were all very helpful in providing great advice, we hope you can help out again.

We are considering:

- New 2003 18' Dauntless with 135 Optimax = 43K Cdn.
- 1998 20' Outrage with 175 Merc EFI = 30K Cdn.
- Seems like a different hull design?
- 2000 21' Outrage with 200 Yamaha EFI - 40K Cdn.

We would appreciate any comments & feedback on these models and the pros and cons.

I took my kids to see the different boats (on shore) and they started chanting "outrage", "outrage". They just LOVED the 21 Outrage. However, I am concerned as to
whether it is too "big" to use as a family/tubing/all purpose boat.

We need a boat to:

a) Tube and Water ski.

b) Go on trips when we have guests - 6 people normal, up
to 8 People.
- On the Georgian Bay which is open water, but usually
will be on nicer days = day trips.

c) Some fishing as well - trolling for Pike or drifting
for Walleye.

Thanks a Million. Peter T. & Family.

By note to Jim, I hope I am in the correct section. I don't know if these are considered Classic or Post.

Lars Simonsen posted 07-06-2004 10:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Lars Simonsen  Send Email to Lars Simonsen     
The 18' Dauntless is a great all purpose boat. However, it has a fairly shallow "v" which makes for a harsh ride in choppy conditions. I've put trim tabs on mine and that's helped a lot, but even my kids complain about the ride at times. As a whole, though I really like the boat. The shallow "v" is a great benefit in shallow water, and does make it a boat that you can pull right up to a beach without any trouble.

Having said that, I wouldn't pay 43K (is that about $35K US?) for the boat. It's a great boat, and I get a lot of jealous looks when I pull up at the dock, but that's still a lot of money for an 18' boat. Also, as much as I like the Dauntless, my next boat will probably be an Outrage. But I've always bought used boats; I always prefer for someone else to suffer the depreciation from the new price.

The 21 is probably a little large for "all purpose" use, but I personally could live with that!


petert posted 07-07-2004 09:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for petert  Send Email to petert     
Thanks Lars and Moe,

I'm going to try both boats on Friday ... appreciate the feedback.

Cheers. Peter

b h willey posted 07-11-2004 03:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for b h willey  Send Email to b h willey     
I'm a owner of a 1998 21 outrage w/yamaha 225 2 stroke.
I use this boat for ocean/lake/fishing, water skiing
and tubing with my family. I've owned a few boats in my day
but, I love my rage the best.I've been 40 miles out in the n.pacific on 18' swells w/ 4' wind waves 8 seconds apart.
and only changed my shorts once ....Great boat. I'd like to sell or trade for larger outrage........Boat located in Oregon.
zombie2 posted 08-09-2004 12:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for zombie2  Send Email to zombie2     
I fully agree with Lars. This is not a boat for anyone contemplating chop in open waters - the boat slams around very uncomfortably. I am hoping tabs may improve the situation. In fact I am very annoyed with BW for not making it clearer in their literature (and the dealer for that matter) that this model is not appropriate for open water where there is chop. The boat is of course beautiful, practically laid out etc. but the pounding is a real problem.

I am told that things don't improve significanty until the outrage 24 - and it's a little too big to trailer and launch single handedly from slips and roads here in Greece where I keep the boat. What I would like is an 18' with the same layout as the dauntless but with a deeper V!

Queequeg posted 08-09-2004 02:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Queequeg  Send Email to Queequeg     
So what's the perfect (smoothest ride) BW for choppy seas and general use? I currently have a 13ft GLS and at some time hope to size up to a 16-18 footer for use on the Maine coast and occasional lake use.

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