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Divedog posted 08-04-2004 01:25 PM ET (US)   Profile for Divedog   Send Email to Divedog  
It looks like Whaler is expanding the optional equipment for the Montauk:

Clarion AM/FM digital stereo with CD player, waterproof speakers (2) and remote control
4350 NAVMAN Fishfinder
7100 NAVMAN VHF radio

Is anyone familar with the products they are offering? I need to add all of them to my 2004 Montauk.

Camuyano posted 08-04-2004 02:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Camuyano  Send Email to Camuyano     

The reason why Whaler is now offering Navman electronics is that Brunswick now owns Navman. See the following thread:

Further Vertical Integration by Brunswick

Apparently, the NAVMAN brand is almost unknown in the US, so it may be a toss up as far as the quality. The consensus seems to be that the best electronics are Raytheon/Raymarine and Northstar (another Brunswick company), although Northstar seems to be mostly commercial with a price tag to match.

I like the Navman sounders because they offer extra features like fuel flow and even Smartcraft interface; however, given the lack of console space on the Montauk, I would go with a combo sounder/plotter. I am not too sure about their VHF radios. I asked about VHF radios on this forum and many like Standard-Horizon. I have an +Intrepid VHF with DSC and have been very happy with it.

As for the stereo, Clarion is nice and seems very waterproof but it is pretty pricey and 2 speakers may not be enough. I went with an automotive Sony head unit, XM-ready, MP3 capable and an RCA auxiliary input, with 4 Pioneer waterproof speakers.

The unit has a wireless remote that I carry in a waterproof bag. The system sounds great and has more features than the factory system but the head unit is not waterproof so I may have to replace it down the road.

My advice would be to price all this equipment out with the features and the brands that you like best, then compare it to the factory package. All this vertical integration is supposed to save money but it does limit your options somewhat. If it is not that much cheaper to go with the factory stuff, I would probably just buy the stuff myself. If you are somewhat handy, you can install the stuff yourself and save some money on labor.


jimh posted 08-04-2004 02:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I would not characterize the comments made in the other thread as representative of a consensus that Raytheon is the best available marine electronics choice.

NAVMAN has been marketed for at least two years in the United States and has established its own reputation quite apart from being associated with Brunswick, which just only recently bought an interest in that company.

Knot at Work posted 08-04-2004 03:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Knot at Work  Send Email to Knot at Work     
I prefer GARMIN and ICOM on my Montauk

Divedog posted 08-04-2004 04:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Divedog  Send Email to Divedog     
My initial research is in line with Knot's purchases. I have a wish list of electronics picked out but noticed the new options and thought I'd see what folks had to say before I made my purchases. Looks like I'll probably go with the Garmin plotter/sounder combo (178C) and the ICOM VHF (302 I believe). I'm still a little torn on the stereo. I'm leaning towards Jensen since they make affordable marine stereo equipment. I know I can get better sound of a nice Kenwood system, it's just that Kenwood price tag that's a little tough on the toy budget.
jimh posted 08-04-2004 08:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I am continually amazed at the interest shown in adding loudspeakers and musical playback devices to small boats like a Boston Whaler MONTAUK. Now the factory seems to have gotten into the act!
OzWhaler posted 08-04-2004 09:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for OzWhaler  Send Email to OzWhaler     
While Navman is very obviously not well known in the US - it is very well known and proven 'down under'in Australia and New Zealand .... Their NZ produced range have been developed and refined in some of the harshest marine environments on the planet and they have also developed through hard experience and practical input from actual users both power boat and sail.
Personally, I like their operational simplicity, ruggedness, attention to waterproofing, and technology - they also are compact and look good. For my new 2005 Montauk I will be using the new Navman 6600 combo of both fishfinder and charting - and a very clear 7.2" colour screen. The Navman 7100 VHF selected by BW is a relatively new product range - but an excellent unit with DSC....
It is very easy to say '...don't know anything about it - stick with what we've been using...'. Rest assured that Brunswick wouldn't have got into Navman if they were not up to BW quality standard - this has even more reinforced my earlier decisions on instruments before hearing this news and seeing the new 2005 BW site !
I would encourage you to get some brochures and have a look ....
chopbuster posted 08-04-2004 10:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for chopbuster  Send Email to chopbuster     
True stereo sound cannot be attained in an open and hard surfaced boat such as the Montauk. In addition there is not enough lateral seperation for "true stereo".

Since one would not be in the same location on the boat all of the time it would make more sense to place a speaker facing aft and one facing forward to spread the sound for all to hear and enjoy.

Boating in this size boat with a home-like entertainment system's is way overboard!!!

Divedog posted 08-05-2004 10:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Divedog  Send Email to Divedog     
Good point chopbuster, a little music is nice, but it's a little silly buying high end equipment for such a small boat. I will be installing a stereo one way or another though. It's always nice to have some music out on the water.
Oz- I'll check it out.
Camuyano posted 08-05-2004 12:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Camuyano  Send Email to Camuyano     

I did not mean to disparage Navman but was simply restating what had been said about it being relatively unknown in the US. I myself am leaning towards the Navman 6600 at this point. Input such as that of OzWhaler who has more experience with the brand is exactly what I was looking for.

As for the stereo, music onboard is more important to some than to others. For me it is essential. I know that Jim has advocated using buying an iPod and a set of headphones and that may work for some. I do have an iPod but I wanted something that everyone on board could enjoy and that didn’t intrude so much in my hearing. I’ve used various portable devices in the past but they are usually more trouble than they’re worth and end up being dropped overboard or getting soaked.

I also do not want true stereo or home theater quality sound but my point about needing more than two speakers is because the only mounting option is the console, so the speakers have to be aimed towards the stern or the bow. With four speakers the skipper and the passengers can hear without having to crank the volume up too much.


jimh posted 08-05-2004 11:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Imanuel--I got ChristineE an iPod for her birthday. We're taking it on our boating trip next week, but I think we'll only use it in the car on the drive up and back (about six hours each way). I might sneak it aboard and give it a listen on the headphones when not underway.

Got the new 3G iPod. What a totally cool device. Also transferred all my address book information onto it.

Maybe someone will work out connecting a GPS to the iPod, and I can bring 20-GBytes of digital chart cartography with me instead of hauling a two dozen printed charts along. Then I could take the engine manual, the radio manual, the GPS manual, etc., all in PDF format, too. Where will it stop?

frostbite posted 08-06-2004 08:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for frostbite  Send Email to frostbite     
The iTrip wireless FM transmitter for the iPod works well broadcasting to your car radio, boom box, or any other FM receiver tuned to the frequency of your choice. The iPod works great for playing audio books, too. Or for storing digital pictures when you run out of media cards.
DaveH posted 08-06-2004 08:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for DaveH  Send Email to DaveH     

Your dream is here already:

I think this might be the way to go soon. A little expensive but as we all know, the price will come down.

Camuyano posted 08-06-2004 12:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Camuyano  Send Email to Camuyano     

I agree; the iPod is a great gadget. I have the 40 GB regular size (not the mini). I only have about 8 GB of music but use it as a portable hard drive for backups and transporting large files to/from work.

I’m sure that someone could figure out a way to connect an iPod to a GPS and get digital “raster” chart from the iPod. The problem is that most GPS units use proprietary map formats and can only receive basic information, such as waypoints via “open” format interfaces such as NMEA. It would be much easier if the display unit on the boat was more like a PC. In fact, the new Garmin plotters/sounders are advertised as having RISC processors on them. I bet they’re just a marinized PowerPC running some flavor of UNIX (like a Mac). You would still have to “hack” them to figure out the proprietary interface and if you spend that much on the display you might as well use their maps.

Anyway, we are moving towards personal integrated mobile devices that combine cellphone, media player, mobile Internet, gaming and navigation. Right now, A PocketPC with GPS module and navigational software, similar to the one in the link in Dave’s post, is a nice solution for displaying high-resolution maps. The problem is that storage is still somewhat limited. I don’t know how Apple can offer so may GBs at the price they sell their iPods. There are compact flash cards that go up to 4 GB but they are still expensive and, if your GPS connects to the compact flash slot, then you will have to use another type of memory card that may be more expensive. I am not sure how big these maps are. Maybe a few small (~256 MB) may be more cost effective.

BTW, if you get one these you may want to by a waterproof case for it: [url][/url]. This company also makes a case for table PCs and has mounting brackets so that you can mount them to the console. As Dave said, this solution is still somewhat pricey. By the time you buy the computer, software, GPS, etc. you may be looking at more of less the same amount as a marine plotter. Also, PC/network sounders are still fairly rare/expensive, so you’ll probably still need a separate fish finder.

Sorry to ramble on. What can I say? I’m a geek…


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