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Trim Tabs Choice on Nantucket
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posted 08-13-2004 01:30 AM ET (US)
After reading about the advantages of trim tabs in this forum, & how satisfied members are that have added tabs, I'm still confused as to what the best choice is once you've made the decision to add them. I am planning to have the local dealer install tabs on my 2004 Nantucket, & I'm leaning toward the electric Lenco tabs....although the hydraulic Bennets also seem to have their proponents here.
Any new opinions?
posted 08-13-2004 06:26 AM ET (US)
Bennett customer service is first rate; I don't know about Lenco's. I am reluctant about electric though. Seems they might be easier to use, but not last as long.
posted 08-13-2004 07:38 AM ET (US)
I have Lenco's on my Nantucket. No problems and easy install. I think Bennetts are a better tab but with the design of the Nantucket, they would be a bear to install neatly.
IMHO on the Nantucket - Lencos may be a better choice.
posted 08-13-2004 07:42 AM ET (US)
P.S. I have the 12 x 9 edgemount tabs. I think the 9 x 9 would be MORE than big enough. Also, if you have the swim platform the edgemount option will make the install much nicer.
posted 08-13-2004 09:37 AM ET (US)
Please cite data and/or sources re: Lenco tabs "...not last as long..."
posted 08-13-2004 09:43 AM ET (US)
No firsthand experience. I had posted articles, here and on THT, talking about trim tabs this past winter, and was recalling what I remembered. I had decided aginst Tabs for my boat the first season, on the advice of some opinions of perons here whom I respect, so as to learn how to use the tilt and trim properly for one season before making a judgement. Certainly I am not trying to misinform anyone, so please don't take offense.
posted 08-13-2004 11:17 AM ET (US)
No offense taken - just wanted to be aware if there were longevity issues that have been documented about Lencos that I didn't know about. I have Lencos on two different boats, 4th season on one and 6th season on the other, and so far have had not a whisper of a problem (and really have never expected to have one).
posted 08-13-2004 11:26 AM ET (US)
I will be adding tabs at the time I repower. Just saw your website; a boat surely to be proud of.
posted 08-13-2004 11:51 AM ET (US)
Thank you - I am proud of Outré, and have a lot of fun with her. Nice shots on your website too; as has been said many times here, there are pros and cons to both older Whalers and brand spanking new ones. A photo inside my console that revealed the wiring there would cause apoplexy even among the least obsessive of us. It started out with far less organization than yours has to begin with and with the addition since then of search light, spreader lights, FM radio/CD player, trim tabs and probably three things I'm not recalling, it is a rats nest. I'm dealing with it right now as I try to clean up connections from the old main harness to the new dual binnacle mount control, and as I try to make the connections from the new harness for the electric start, electric tilt kicker inside the console in some kind of sensible way. I look at the clean set up you have and have to conclude that it would be worth paying someone a lot of money to organize things that nicely.
posted 08-13-2004 12:26 PM ET (US)
I looked into both Lenco and Bennett in great detail last year. I chose Bennett.
2. Center consoles are short of space by design. The pump would probably need to be mounted there for a clean install IMHO. It is a serious pain to do work in the console anyhow AND adding oil would have been a mess and hard to check.
3. I don't like the idea of hydro oil near a boat deck. If you spill it, its hard to clean up and it could get slippery as all get out.
Bennett is renowned for great service. I have found the exact same to be true of Lenco. I had a part I broke and they Fed Ex P1 a part to me the next day at no cost to me. Both tech support groups are highly knowledgeable and accessible. So, from a customer service perspective, I think it is a horse apiece.
So, I have had them for 2 season with zero problems and I like how well they work. That all being said, there isn't a bad choice to be made if you pick either Lenco or Bennett.
posted 08-13-2004 01:04 PM ET (US)
Thought I'd jump into the fray as I think I was the first to document tabs on a Nantucket.
My research for the proper tabs started w/ conversations w/ the dealer, and asking what was required for a clean install, and what he recommended. Lenco was the answer, as the pump installation for the benetts was an issue on the Nantucket.
I then talked w/ the AppEngineer/Customer service guy from Lenco, and he asked about measurements etc. His choice was the 12x12 edge mount. His rationale was that the larger tabs would effectively add to the running length of the hull, and through proper adjustment the larger surface area would not be a hinderance. The Edge mount allowed for the clean install below the swim platform.
I got them installed by the dealer, and the performance enhancement was significant on already good performance out of the box. The tabs made the boat better in head/quartering seas, and the extra length, contributed to the overall handling in seas by making the span of the hull between waves larger (effectively 20'). If you overtab in a following sea, the effect of the larger tab may be more pronounced, but I never did this and it is easily controllable. I also saw no real loss in fuel economy, and as far as speed goes, when I deployed my tabs, I usually was more concerned with comfort rather that top end speed. They allow me to cruise at higher speeds in greater comfort,in nastier conditions which is worth a lot more to me based on how I use the boat.
As far as Lenco vs. Bennett goes: given a clean install w/ either I would have chosen the Benetts as I have used them in the past and know they are reliable. The Lencos were more of an unknown. I did have one actuator go on me, but it was quickly and easily replaced for free. Both companies are great. I have seen similar issues with the Lencos from other posts on other forums, but in over 150hrs of use after the fix, my lencos are flawless.
One improtant gripe I have about Lenco's worm gear mechanism is that if you forget to put them all the way up, and apply pressure (i.e. bunk of a trailer), the hard mechanical connection is prone to problems. Not a real issue for me, and this had nothing to do with the bad actuator I had.
If you do go w/ Lencos I would probably spring for the automatic recovery (tabs up) on power down that comes with the LED indicator option. OR be very meticulous, in your procedures for launch and recovery.
On the pro side of Lencos, the effect of touching the buttons is instantaneous, the installation was very clean, and the performance is great. I am sure performance with either will be great.
The bennefits of the benetts being a hydraulic system, are you don't have a hard mechanical interface in the actuator, so applying pressure to them is not going to break them. Benetts, are slower to react, more complicated to install, and are susceptible to drift (change position) while running due to water pressure.
Hope this helps.
posted 08-13-2004 02:26 PM ET (US)
I'm sure you meant to say that you chose Lencos...;-)
And please, lest I inadvertantly add fuel to a fire that needs not burn, understand there is nothing wrong with Bennetts. They have been around with a good product and good customer service a lot longer than Lenco. It's just that there is the option now of another choice (Lenco) that does have some of its own intrinsic advantages, many stated here in this thread.
I do tend to bridle when I see a blanket statement suggesting one good product is better than another good product, when there are so many subjective aspects that need be considered...We each have preferences, but not many of us have the standing to simply state one is better without stating the conditions under which we believe that to be.
posted 08-13-2004 02:39 PM ET (US)
Just put Lenco 12x12 edgemounts on my 22 Outrage. No problems and install was straightforward. I wouldn't go smaller in term of tab size. Once you have them you'll love 'em. 9x12 would likely be a good compromise in size.
posted 08-13-2004 03:58 PM ET (US)
You are right - multitasking trying to do too much at once.
No, there is nothing wrong with Bennett's and i did choose LENCO.
My point was that you probably can't go wrong with either - both good products from fine companies. The difference is personal preference - mine was Lenco for the reasons stated (not Bennett as originally typed).
posted 08-13-2004 04:33 PM ET (US)
FYI... I ordered my Lenco Tabs from tackletogo.com
They will upgrade the tabs with the auto-retract/indicator switch for a significant savings over any other place I found. Adds $140 to any complete Lenco kit.
posted 08-13-2004 07:12 PM ET (US)
I wonder if they'd stay close to that $140.00 when selling the indicator switch seperately? That is one heck of a lot better price than I've seen anywhere else! I'd like to add that setup but that option wasn't available yet when I bought the set on my Outrage 22, and the prices I've seen elsewhere have discouraged me.
posted 08-14-2004 02:05 PM ET (US)
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