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150 Sport for Fishing Boat?
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posted 08-16-2004 12:29 AM ET (US)
I was wondering if any of you 150 Sport owners could advise me as to how good of a platform the 150 Sport would be for a freshwater fishing boat?
The boat would be used in all sorts of lakes, big and small and the larger lakes it would be used on can have a tendancy to blow up at times. 1-3 foot waves wouldn't be uncommon, with larger waves a possibility. Based on some research I've done on the boards, I'm not concerned about the seaworthiness of the 150 Sport for the "usual" conditions I would be faced with.
My main questions relate to interior room, how well the hull trolls down with the 60 4 Stroke and whether there is enough room in the bow of the boat to use the deck up front as a casting area? I do allot of flyfishing and it would be nice to be able to anchor and fish from the bow position. Also, is it possible to mount downriggers and rodholders on the hull or would this be a bit of a pain?
I was considering the 170 Montauk but if the 150 Sport would work, I think it might be a workable option for many reasons. It would be cheaper, easier to tow, shouldn't require an kicker, it would be more economical to run and as a "first boat" it might just make more sense to start small. For fishing, I would usually only have 2 adults and fishing gear in the boat.
Am I correct in assuming that the "square bow shape" of the 150 hull allows for more interior space than the "normal" "v-design" hulls that are quite common? On those boats, it looks like allot of the bow area is taken away because of the angle, which is a big consideration for a 15 foot hull.
Your thoughts and opinions would be great. Thanks in advance!
posted 08-16-2004 05:43 AM ET (US)
If you are confident that the 150 Sport is a large enough vessel to handle the conditions on the larger lakes as you described, then I would say the 150 Sport would be a great fishing boat for your type of fishing.
It is obvious that the optional bow rail would not be needed and would only get in the way. As with the 170 Montauk the square shaped bow provides you with more space up front compared to others. The large flat surfaces on the bow section also allow for an easy way to mount an electrical trolling motor.
The 60-hp 4-stroke engine is IMO ideal for trolling.
There are 4 rod holders that come standard with the 150 Sport. These can be used for storing the rods while underway. You can find many high quality rod holders that can be mounted on the side rails for holding your rods while trolling. Do a search for rod holders here on the forum and you will find many examples.
I'm not sure about mounting downriggers on the gunnels, behind the side rails. On the wood locating drawings it seems as if there is no reinforcement there. I'm sure by reinforcing this area you would be able to mount them. Maybe Moe could help you with this issue.
posted 08-16-2004 05:57 AM ET (US)
This is a good thread to read:
I was actually trying to search for Moe's infamous diagrams comparing size on the 150 sport vs pre '03 Montauk, vs post 03 Montauk etc. I gave up; maybe someone else can point them out.
posted 08-16-2004 06:24 AM ET (US)
Sal, here's one of Moe's drawings I found.
From left to right: 190 Nantucket, 170 Montauk, 150 Sport, 130 and 110.
posted 08-16-2004 07:58 AM ET (US)
I am in my second season with a 150 Sport, and am a serious fisherman. Mostly use mine in SW, and find it very seaworthy in the Atlantic. I also take an annual trip to Lake George, NY. It is a large, deep lake. The 150 can take any water that lake can dish out during the summer season. The bow is a fine platform for fishing, stable and broad, I use it often. One of the nice things about the boat is that you can remove the center seat, allowing more walking space. Two adults with minimal gear is very doable. The only drawback for FW fishing is if you intend to fish shorelines and shallows for bass and such. You would need a trolling motor, of course, like any Ranger type bassboat. I have a 2 stroke, and high-speed troll for smaller tunas in the ocean without problem. Great boat, although sitting rather than standing while running may tease some pain out of your back!
posted 08-16-2004 08:19 AM ET (US)
It might be a good idea to sea trial both the 15 Sport and 17 Montauk just to see the difference first hand before taking the leap.
Also, if your new Whaler is going to be garage kept the dimensions (LOA/height) of a Montauk might come into question.
Good luck with your search. :)
posted 08-16-2004 01:16 PM ET (US)
I am nowhere near a hardcore fisherman like Tombro, so temper my responses with that in mind. About the most I've done is some perch fishing off the stern while the wife snoozes or reads on the bow cushion (when she's cold) or across the helm seat under the bimini (when she's hot). That once included being anchored in 3-5' waves on Lake Erie. I also added a couple of CE Smith rod holders to possibly troll for walleye one day.
As you can see in the second picture, I've removed the four rod holder from the rear of the port side seat. With the bimini over it (which is always the case with us), it was useless and just took up room. I'm sure they'd be great without the bimini. You might also note that we have a Porta-Potti mounted behind that area.
The bow rail (and cushion) is a wife thing. IIRC, Tombro also has one and says it doesn't interfere with his fishing. I'd think it would be something good to lean on when netting or gaffing fish off the bow, but it does make it more difficult to reach into the water for a hand retrieval. And it does make transitting over the bow virtually impossible if you're beaching however.
One of my questions I've not yet answered is whether a 72 quart Igloo cooler will fit where the middle seat is on the 150 Sport. I THINK it will and certainly a 54 quart will. The reason for these two sizes is that Whaler offers matching cushions for these, and Igloo offers cheaper plain-jane cushions for them. Actually, the 150 Sport middle cushion would probably work okay on a 72 quart cooler, with a little cushion hanging over each end. The reason I'd think a cooler for fish would work well there is that it would free up both the stern and bow cockpit soles. With the lid opening aft, the aft guy would have to step through the rear seat to access it, but doing so isn't that hard.
For our use, I've kept the fish cooler in the stern area and used that as a seat, but it would be better to have more room. The seat backs work pretty well as an aft facing sitting/leaning post.
A bait bucket between the seats (while fishing - in the stern area when underway) would also be equally accessible from fore and aft.
The four-stroke idles down to about 2.5 MPH with either the 13" or 15" prop. Now that I have the GPS, I'm finding on local lakes, we run 40+ miles, most of it at 2.5-5 MPH, with enough 20-25 MPH for a daily average speed of about 10MPH, on about 5 gallons of fuel. In the chop of Lake Erie, we were using about 6 gallons for 35-40 miles, according to the charts.
We have a second 6.6 gallon tank mounted mirror-image of the factory one under the seat. There is room for four tanks under it, mounted fore and aft, but the corner of one projects into the step through. We felt two were enough most of the time, and we'd just carry a third in the stern area the rare times two wouldn't be enough. With two tanks mounted laterally, there's room outboard of each for a small cooler. We keep our Type I offshore PFDs in those locations.
Our Garmin 178C GPS/Fishfinder is mounted on the starboard side of the console, and can be rotated to be viewed from the bow or stern. While I love the larger diameter six-spoke stainless wheel I installed, it does somewhat block the view of the GPS/sounder from the driving position and the stern area, and it reflects onto the LCD screen, which the black plastic wheel wouldn't do.
As you can see from the scaled drawings, the 150 has about as much cockpit sole as the 170, except the stern corners are knocked off for the boarding steps. Obviously, the 170's center console layout makes it easier to fish all the way around the boat, and it's standing position lets you use your slightly bent legs as shock absorbers underway in heavier chop. Including its motor, the 170 is also about 650 lbs heavier, so it cuts through the chop better, but the hull designs are virtually identical. Off higher than 3' waves, the 150 Sport can get airborne if you don't slow down, so we often partially stand when we see a 3+ footer, in case it comes down hard. When there are a lot of 3+ footers, this can become tiring, so slowing down is a better option.
We use ours on Lake Erie, Tombro uses his in the Atlantic, and techmage and bob wallace use theirs in the Gulf. It's all about getting knowledgable about weather, and picking your days.
posted 08-16-2004 01:23 PM ET (US)
How about the downriggers Moe? Is there any reinforcement on the gunnels behind the side rails on the +2002 models?
posted 08-16-2004 01:29 PM ET (US)
Eric, I have not found any with my electronic stud finder. It does give a positive indication around the bimini strut mounts, but I can't tell if that's from the mass of the metal or if there's wood below them. The wood locating diagram doesn't show any there, but I can't believe Whaler wouldn't back those things, or the strut might tend to punch through the glass.
The stud finder does indicate there is backing in the aft corners of the boat however, as shown on the diagram.
posted 08-16-2004 02:41 PM ET (US)
I've been happy with Scotty downriggers mounted on rails on my old Katama and now on my '88 Outrage 18...don't know whether this will work for you. Scotty has a special mount designed for rails with a wooden support you add yourself...it rests on your gunwales and provides a great deal of strength to the rig.
posted 08-16-2004 02:51 PM ET (US)
I do some fishing out of my 150 and am fairly well satisfied. Have been researching downriggers and am not convinced that I can secure them in a way that is satisfactory. Have invested in some dipsy diver rods and equipment. Will try that for salmon fishing this fall and report back.
I have not been satified that I can get the 60 idled down for a slow of a troll that I prefer to do. I am looking at trolling plates but do not really want to drill. Another forum member suggested a drift sock. I plan to try that soon.
I am very happy with this as a fishing platform.
posted 08-16-2004 04:47 PM ET (US)
WOW! Thanks for the great feedback everyone. I don't think the ride qualities would be a huge issue for me as I currently spend most of my time running out of a 14 foot aluminum boat with a 25hp main engine . . . it can beat up the back pretty good :) I guess the moral of the story is to slow down when it hurts . . . LOL. In all honesty, I would suspect the hull design and weight of the 150 Sport would be a big move up from that type of platform as far as ride quality.
The speed of the 4 Stroke at idle seems okay for a faster troll for me and I suspect a drift sock would work to really crawl things down when needed.
All in all, it sounds as though it would make for a very nice, reliable and affordable platform for me. I don't want to make the mistake of buying "too much boat" and this never ending research can be a bit overwhelming.
Do any of you find that the 60 has to work really hard if you have a third person in the boat or is it still able to handle that load fairly well and keep the max speed into the low 30's (conditions permitting of course)? I noticed that the max speed from the Whaler website is about mid 30's and I wasn't too sure how quickly the performance decreased with that extra person or gear.
Thanks again, great website!
posted 08-16-2004 09:56 PM ET (US)
I have had mine loaded in a number of different ways. Physics say that you will notice the difference. On one ocaision I pulled a skier (about 170 lbs) with three people in the boat. Got him up ok and moving along quite well. He wasn't doing any fancy stuff but the 150 did a credible job of pulling. Earlier this summer I had a full passenger load. Five adults. Two in the front, one on the single center seat two on the main seats. Of course I could not get to the usual top speed (measured on my fishfinder about 34 mph) But we cruised very comfortable under 20 without much groaning from the motor. Two people and mimimum gear allows smooth cruising at around 27-28 mph without any protest from the motor.
posted 08-16-2004 10:19 PM ET (US)
Read this thread:
If you buy a new 150 Sport with a 14" prop, your numbers will be somewhere in between these.
For best engine life, you want to keep most of your running at or below 70-75% of max rpm, or roughly 4200-4500 rpm. It doesn't hurt to run a bit faster than that for awhile, or at wide-open-throttle (WOT) for short periods. As you can see, the prop pitch has considerable influence on the speed that occurs at those rpms. You also want your highest rpm, when at full throttle, somewhere in the manufacturer's recommended maximum rpm range, 5500-6000 rpm. Ideally, you'd be in this range whether lightly or heavily loaded.
I think you'll find the 20-25 mph range gives reasonable engine speeds and fuel consumption.
posted 08-16-2004 11:55 PM ET (US)
BW's supplied canvas product for the 150 is inferior to Mills. I had a conversation recently with the Mills people regarding their bimini product for the 150 and was told and provided photos that shows that their design allows for clearance and will not interfere with the use of the port seat rod holders.
posted 08-17-2004 10:34 AM ET (US)
I have the Whaler bimini and a Mills mooring cover. IMHO, the construction quality of the Whaler bimini is better than that of the Mills mooring cover. But that being said, the design of the Whaler bimini leaves a lot to be desired, and the Mills bimini is nicer in many ways.
Here are pictures of the Mills bimini:
The Mills bimini has many design advantages:
The Mills bimini has sliding tracks that lets the bimini fold all the way forward of the bow cushion. The Whaler bimini folds well BEHIND the bow cushion, making it very difficult to use the bow cushion or access the anchor locker.
The Mills tracks are FORWARD of the motor control "hump" on the starboard side gunwale. When folded forward, the Whaler bimini rests on this hump, which lifts the right side of the bimini frame, and worse yet, pushes it to starboard, meaning the port side of the bimini frame doesn't fall on top of the gunwale, but instead falls down inside it, twisting the bimini frame. We have a 50Qt Ultra Cooler mounted to the deck behind the bow locker and it does double-duty of supporting the Whaler bimini when trailering.
The Mills bimini doesn't have the aft support rods, but the aft straps mount to the rear of the side rails. The Whaler bimini struts come back almost all the way to the transom. This limits boarding to the stern corners, and they get in the way when fishing. They would also interfere with using an over the gunwale hook-type boarding ladder.
The Mills bimini has center V straps to limit side to side swaying of the bimini. The Whaler version doesn't.
The Mills bimini is more forward compared to the Whaler bimini. While this does allow the rod holders to be used, and offers a little more shade for the knees of someone seated on the folding/removable seat, the Whaler bimini extends behind those seated on the primary seat, and offers much better coverage with the sun coming anywhere aft of the bimini. It also makes a great place to hang a tent for a porta-potti mounted behind the seat.
Overall, the Mills bimini is a clear hands-down winner over the factory one. I'm not sure why Whaler left Mills. Tombro bought his 150 Sport just before we did in August 2003 and his came from Whaler with the Mills.
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