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highanddry posted 09-17-2004 01:52 PM ET (US)   Profile for highanddry   Send Email to highanddry  
(1) I am working toward the purchase of a Nantucket but currently use an inflatable. The inflatable was originaly an air keel but I built a wood and glass hull so it is a deep vee rigid hull now. It is 14 feet long and has been used for diving nad fishing. It is 40 horsepower. I rarely see inflatables in this country but in Europe they are very common--big ones. Thus my question--why should I buy a Whaler Nantucket over a similar sized RIB? I don't mean this to be an argument but just seeking imput from the folks that own and know Whalers. The boat will be used primarly for exploring, diving, fishing and will have to be trailered long distances to get to water (darn that).
(2)Another question, I have noticed folks saying the Verado would be available for the Nantucket in 05? Current catalogs from Mercury show only Verados in 200 and up horsepower. Does nayone have current and educated guesses as to when that might happen? I have nothing against the Optimax and might get it anyways over the Verado but but certainly would consider the Verado as well.
(3) And----my last question for now----. The Guardian 19. It is slightly larger than the Nantucket. Can folks buy those boats and outfit them on a trailer sans engine. Then I could find a used (barely) trade up engine and maybe keep the cost down. How do the Guardians price out compared to a Nantucket?
(4)Ohhh--and one other thing. I have searched several areas and find numerous pics of various Whalers underway BUT every pic of a Nantucket it is at idle or dead on the water--WHY? Please someone post a pic of a Nantucket making way at speed. Thanks in advance for any imput. J
ptortora posted 09-17-2004 02:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for ptortora  Send Email to ptortora     
I currently own a 305 Conquest with twin Verado 250's. Previously, I went through a 240 Outrage w/ 250 Verados and started the season off with a loaded Nantucket with a 115 4 stroke. Don't know when the smaller Verado's will be available but I will tell you they are worth the wait. The benefits of the Verado extend far beyond performance. The steering and shifting is an improvement, they are smooth as silk in the firing, quiet, etc. etc. etc. As far as the Nantucket, in my opinion, it is a great boat for a 19'... however, you may want to look at the new Eastport. My guess is that the Eastport will ship with a Verado before the Nantucket. Additionally, one of this month's boat magazines (can't remember which one) just gave the Eastport a GREAT review.

Good luck with your decision.

jimh posted 09-17-2004 09:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The CEO of Brunswick has said the mid-range horsepower VERADO will be introduced at the Miami Boat Show in February of 2005. If anyone ought to know, he'd be the one.

A Rigid-Bottom Inflatable Boat (RIB) has supplanted the traditional Boston Whaler as the United States Coast Guard boat of choice for general service. They have ordered millions of dollars worth of SAFE boats (Secure Around Flotation Equipped), and with HONDA engines, no less!

For me, the drawback of any inflatable boat is its longevity. I just sold a 1976 Boston Whaler whose hull was in perfect condition, absolutely the equal of when it was made twenty-eight years ago. I cannot imagine what the fabric would look like on a 28-year-old inflatable boat. If you are willing to spend thousands of dollars on new inflatable chambers, then you might keep an RIB running as long as a Boston Whaler.

All of the "Legend" series boats from Boston Whaler are very attractively priced. It would be hard to find a one-time deal on a built-to-order GUARDIAN hull that would come close in price. If you are really interested, contact a dealer who does some volume business in the Brunswick CGP line, and get a quote.

SAFE Boat
http://www.uscg.mil/d17/allnews/news01/cgaux00101.htm

http://www.safeboats.com/

kamie posted 09-17-2004 09:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
highanddry,

Next time we go out on the Potomac I will try to get pictures of Yiddil's Nantucket while he is underway.

bigjohn1 posted 09-18-2004 09:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1  Send Email to bigjohn1     
High,
I won't bash RIBS....have owned and operated many both privately and for the Navy. Prior to deciding on a 170 Montauk as my next boat, I seriously considered one of the larger Achilles RIBS. I did not price any other brands as, out here in the tropical South Pacific, Achilles is the only brand that consistently holds up well in our harsh marine environment. So, what I am about to say may or may not apply to other brands of RIBS.

In my case, the 170 was far cheaper - mind you my 170 with just about every option you can get and a 115 EFI engine was over $30K as ocean freight charges to get it here are tacked on. Since you are considering a much more expensive Nantucket, I think it bolsters the argument over price. With a Montauk, Nantucket, or any other fiberglass boat, no more messing around with pumps to blow them up before going out. No more messing with glue to patch the occasional hole they all get. PLUS....and this was probably one of the biggest factors in my decision...when you buy a 19' Whaler, you get a hell of alot more useable deck space than in a 19' RIB. Of course the down side is you need more engine to make any fiberglass boat go as fast as a lighter RIB.

We are talking about large RIBS vice their smaller soft hull cousins and as you know, the RIBS cost a good bit more. It just seems like to me, you'd get a whole lot more out of the Nantucket and the price difference between that and a large RIB wouldn't be enough to sway my decision. Now if you were talking special application like law enforcement, maritime rescue, or military applications, the RIB is far superior to a Nantucket - HANDS DOWN. The hairiest water I have personally been in was the Yellow Sea off the Korean coast in the middle of January. Strong winds switching back and forth from all directions and huge seas. You couldn't have paid me a million bucks to be out there in a Nantucket but the 22' Zodiac with twin Hondas made us feel "almost" safe,

Big John

highanddry posted 09-18-2004 02:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
Thanks for the input thus far, very helpfull. I have approx 40,000 dollars cash to spend for a boat. I might would finance a portiion depending on rates etc. So, I have been looking at boats other than Whalers but I keep coming back to the Nantucket because of it's towability and Whaler reputation. So far I am researching Cobia, Wellcraft, Angler, Seachaser etc. I also notice there is a new Glastron line of CC boats. Thing is with these other brands I can go one size larger for about the same money. One size larger does not impact towabilty in a terrible way though we go to tandem wheels probably which is not a bad thing anyways. My Toyota Tundra 4X4 TRD has it's work cut out for it much beyond that. I think it can tow 5500 lbs fairly well, rated for 7000ish.
Back to the boats, sometimes quality is better than just getting something bigger. How does the Nantucket handle offshore use. Now mind you I would not go offshore but in good weather. The dive sites along the Gulf are several miles out(1 to 15 miles). Off the east cost of Florida they are generally closer in and often very close. I would also like to fish the bend of the Florida Gulf out of Keaton Beach. I would also use the boat on nearer-by lakes in Ark. Missouri and Oklahoma for just fooling around and camping.
The Cobia sure looks good and so does the Glastron Fisherman series. What other companies build in the quality like a Whaler?? I ask you guys cause obviously you fellows are miles ahead of me in research and experiance on this.
Yeah, laugh at my 14 foot rubber boat will ya (lol) but it really is unsinkable. When we lived in Houston we were out about 15 miles and got caught in a storm. We hunkered down and bobbed like a cork--no worries. I also am buying a OK Scupper Pro TW Kayak for diving off of. That should be different.
Pics of Nantuckets please doing something other than posing in front of a dock! From what I see they are only good for posing and sporting about on a trailer (lol) Thanks folks.
J
jimh posted 09-19-2004 04:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
If you want a boat primarily for diving, inquire about the DIVEMASTER series available from Brunswick Commercial and Government Products. This model is based on a GUARDIAN 22. In Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, the long-time Whaler dealer Lauderdale Marine had one available for immediate delivery at an attractive price earlier this year. It would be above your target price range, but it would be a fabulous boat for the type of use you describe above.
Chuck Tribolet posted 09-19-2004 04:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
Whaler vs. RIB for diving? Three reasons for a whaler:

Space,
Longevity,
and Shark Bites.

The tubes take up a lot of room.

A whaler will last a lot longer than an inflatable.

If I a shark bites your RIB (I've seen video of a Great White
biting an inflatable here in California) it's nolonger
unsinkable. With a whaler, the Landlord has to go floss the
glass out, but you are still floating.


Chuck

erik selis posted 09-19-2004 05:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Chuck's last point should make all doubt disappear.

Erik

highanddry posted 09-19-2004 01:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
"If you want a boat primarily for diving, inquire about the DIVEMASTER series available from Brunswick Commercial and Government Products. This model is based on a GUARDIAN 22. In Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, the long-time Whaler dealer Lauderdale Marine had one available for immediate delivery at an attractive price earlier this year. It would be above your target price range, but it would be a fabulous boat for the type of use you describe above."

Yeah, I know about those and that is why I inquired about them in the initial post. I think they can outfit one as a "Divemaster" in the 18 foot length as well. Thing is that other than the walk through side I don't see much different and I don't need that walk through side. Many people who dive off small boats tether their gear on lines. The gear is then put on and removed in the water. I usually put the gear on in the boat and then upon returning to the boat remove it and tether it. Very easy. Cameras and ditty bags are done the same way. I am very handy with my hands and have welding equipment etc. I would fabricate my own 4/6 tank rack of aluminum and have it powder coated and design a removable installation, perhaps in place of the 54 qrt cooler. For protecting the side of the boat you get dressed out on and roll out over I would do as I do now. I would fab a piece of carpet with weight in a rolled edge and snaps or hooks on the boat side. It would then be flipped over the gunwale. The shot weighted edge going over the side to keep it from flapping. When not using it it would be rolled up and tucked away.
The Nantucket surely looks like a capable small boat and at 19 feet it really ain't all that small. A very nice compromise size.
Hey, quit scaring me with those shark stories. If a shark bit my new Nantucket I would be awfully upset. Why did the shark bite the inflatable? Some inflatables use kevlar or aramid and most have multiple air chambers so Mr. Shark might not be happy if he bit one of those. Yes, I am definitly sold on going with a fiberglass boat this time.
I also think the Nantucket needs 175 horses but maybe that new Verado might be the e-ticket. I could be happy with the Opti 150 however. I have owned over the years in conjunction with my family several outboards. I have not had much success with Mercury. The last one I bought was in 1982. It was brand new and I never could get it to run but every now and then. These new Mercurys are much better in that regard--yes? J

prj posted 09-20-2004 09:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
Regarding the SAFE boats referenced above,
I was of the belief that these were NOT RIBs,
but rather a neoprene-like or dense foam collar
on a rigid hull.

Can anyone confirm this?

highanddry, check out Chuck T's website,
I believe he has an extensive photo archive
detailing his diving set-up on a Montauk.

Chuck Tribolet posted 09-20-2004 10:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
http://www.garlic.com/~triblet/whaler/ .

Check out the Roll Control tank ranks on my website. They
are better than anything I could fabricate.

Chuck

highanddry posted 09-20-2004 02:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
Sorry if I am being a pest. Oh, thanks for the tip on the "roll control" outfit. I probably should just start a new thread but what about the trailer the Nantucket comes with? Is that an OK trailer? It seems it should have tandem wheels in that size range. Any of you guys with the Nantucket--how is the trailer doing? I know I have lot's of questions but to me 40,000 dollars is a bunch of money and I don't want to blow it. I sure wish Whaler would let me price out the boat and trailer and engine seperately. I guess I need to hop on a plane and go to a boat show in Miami or Houston.
Nice tips on the Montauk setup for diving. I will dive mostly Fla but may make a trip west. In the panhandle there are a lot of wreaks and rock reefs. These are generally in 60 to 120 feet of water and can be as far out as 20 miles but many are closer in. Obviously any small boat is going to be challenged by these conditions. That is why I keep coming back to the Whaler. Am I asking to much of the Nantucket? Most times the water is smooth and the weather is great but storms do blow up--thunderstorms and such. Much of the fishing is done out that far as well.
Oh, Nantucket fellows, how does she do with say 4 people and loaded with the 150 Opti?
One other thing, those jack plates I see around, are those worth the effort, do they increase top speed? J

BW23 posted 09-20-2004 03:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for BW23  Send Email to BW23     
http://www.seashocks.com/nStory.php

Some great video footage of RIB's in action!!! Now if only we could afford one!!!

mikeyairtime posted 09-20-2004 07:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for mikeyairtime    
What Jim said. An inflatable will be junk after 20 years. If you like the characteristics of an inflatable without the hassles look into Aluminum Chambered Boats.

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