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Conquest 23 Ballast Kit
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posted 10-07-2004 01:18 PM ET (US)
I recall some folks indicating that the Conquest 23 with a single Mercury Optimax 225-HP outboard motor needs a factory stern ballast kit to maintain proper static trim. Can anyone tell me where it's installed? Also, should I be looking at anything obvious when checking out these boats? I am considering buying a 2001.
posted 10-08-2004 02:08 PM ET (US)
My 23 Conquest with a single 225 Optimax had a ballast kit. I believe a kit is necessary for the boat to sit at the proper angle. The ballast is readily apparent when looking in the hatch at the stern in front of the rear seat. A big lump of lead is visible right at the stern of the boat. Also if there is no kit, the boat will rest with the bow low in the water.
posted 10-11-2004 11:18 AM ET (US)
My 23 Con, single 225 has the lead ballast installed.
The lead is mounted underneath the ballery shelf, aft port side.
Mine still appears bow heavy at rest.
posted 10-11-2004 11:57 PM ET (US)
Ballast Kit? Sounds like a design flaw having to haul around lead....You may want to consider another model considering they don't even make the 23 Conquest anymore...
posted 10-12-2004 12:54 AM ET (US)
Boston Whaler currently makes the 235 Conquest.
posted 10-12-2004 07:47 AM ET (US)
I think prm1177 wants to buy a used 23 Conquest.
posted 10-12-2004 08:00 AM ET (US)
It does seem counter-intuitive that a boat would need lead ballast added.
Correcting the trim with lead weight may help avoid undesirable bow-steer characteristics if the boat has a down-by-the-bow trim.
posted 10-12-2004 10:15 AM ET (US)
Notice that the 235 conquest has a setup only for single motor application.
PRM1177 should check out the prices on the new 235.
posted 10-12-2004 03:45 PM ET (US)
outboard motor shop has the new 205 eastport and the 305 conquest on there premises now.
posted 10-12-2004 05:04 PM ET (US)
23 Conquest was designed for either a single or twins up to 300 h.p. Twins are heavier than a single, hence the need for ballast if a single is installed. It is a great boat with either engine application. Mine with a single sat bow down at rest with my tackle box in the cabin. The box got heavier and heavier as I acquired more and more essential fishing tackle.
posted 10-12-2004 05:30 PM ET (US)
If one must have a single, this sounds like a perfect application for a 275 VERADO! Get the lead out.
posted 10-12-2004 07:05 PM ET (US)
I'm negotiating on the 2001 Conquest 23with the Opti 225, and am looking to spend around $38-40k for it when all is done. The boat has full weather curtains, GPS, Sounder, VHF, Fishing package, electric trim tabs, T-Top, Clarion Radio, etc. A new Eastport tops out at just under $50k with the same gear and a 200 dfi, the Conquest 235 has no pricing info.
What would you guys recommend? The used, 3 year old boat, or one of the new ones :)
The Verado comment is an interesting one. Would I have to re-rig much as the Opti 225 has Smart Craft gauges and hydrolic steering?
posted 10-12-2004 07:13 PM ET (US)
That's hydraulic. My only real concerns are the reliability of the 2001 Opti 225, what with all the brouhaha about the earlier models, and there is some fiberglass work that needs to be done. A section of the gel coat was rubbed off by a shipping tie-down at the starboard transom/bottom join. The owners shipped it out here when they moved from Maine a couple of years ago.
I will be taking it on a sea trial this week, and will try to post some pictures.
posted 10-12-2004 07:29 PM ET (US)
I understand that the Verado would require new controls and steering system. That makes it pretty expensive in the repower market. Everything I've seen shows the Verado with all of the essentials to control it priced about $3,000 more than any 2-stroke DFI. I would think that even with the Verado being as heavy as it is, the Conquest 23 would still require some ballast.
posted 10-12-2004 09:02 PM ET (US)
Then a pair of Verado 150's would be perfect! No DTS, no steering.
posted 10-13-2004 04:58 PM ET (US)
PRM, I've got my '98 for sale with twin 135s in the marketplace forum. It is very nicely equipped, see the add. The helm area is much nicer on the older Conquests, a lot more storage and room for electronics than the new one.
posted 10-13-2004 05:00 PM ET (US)
The 2001 23' is probably a nice boat however, the whole ballast issue turns me off, hauling lead around?...I consider that a serious design flaw.(Probably why the model has been changed or upgraded to the 235) Wouldn't you think a Company as big Boston Whaler could have checked/seatrialed this design before attempting to market and sell to the public? We aren't talking about a large ship with a super structure that requires ballast etc. I don't know of any other small boat company that has lead in their hull, or any other ballast issue.
If your sold on the Conquest series, I recommend a USED 255. You'll out grow that 23' and get "2 foot-itus" in one season anyway....Homey
posted 10-13-2004 06:57 PM ET (US)
I don't think Whaler has a design flaw in the 23 Conquest, or all of the previous Whaler Drive models, NONE OF WHICH were designed for single engines. All of these boats need the weight of the twin engines to have proper running and performance characteristics, and at-rest balance at the dock.
The problem is Dealers and owners, almost always for cost savings, who power them with single engines. Then you get what you pay for, and evidently BW is forced to go along with these later decisions, like this lead thing. I guess that's the way it is with an outboard powered boat, where you can put anything you want on it, including gross underpowering, and then when it performs poorly, or looks lousy sitting at the dock with the transom up in the air, you say it's the boat's fault. I remember the dealer's complaints when the 1987 WD models showed up. "They're too expensive with twins, too much rigging expense, we can't sell them", so Whaler gave in, and the boats powered with singles were less impressive because of it.
But this crazy lead requirement OUGHT to tell an owner to power it with twins, or you can't afford to own it. Get a different boat designed for a single if that's what your budget allows. These days, all of Whaler's boats clearly indicate what they are designed for, a single or twins. Just look at the transom shape. Putting a single on a boat needing the power and weight of twins, is ridiculous
posted 10-13-2004 07:22 PM ET (US)
Well Larry, we have found something we completely agree on. The 23 Conquest design is not flawed, its was simply designed for twin 400 lb 135/150s. However, the big problem for the 23 Conquest was cost and competition in the 22/23 walkaround market.
The difference in price between a twin powered Conquest and a single powered 22 Grady Seafarer, for example, was pretty significant. At the price level for the twin powered Conquest 23, Grady had the 23 Gulfstream which could be run with a single 250 or twin 150s. The 23 Gulfstream with its 9' 3" beam and no Eurotransom had a much bigger cockpit making it appear to be a lot more boat for the money than the 23 Conquest although not as trailer friendly.
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