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disneycaber posted 10-10-2004 10:43 AM ET (US)   Profile for disneycaber   Send Email to disneycaber  
Looking for ideas on how best to fly a US flag on our 150 Sport. Mounting hardware/staff needs to be easily removable and /or adjustable as we always tow the boat and have a mooring cover on in the driveway.

Are there guidelines on suggested flag size relative to boat size ? Is a gunwale mount with a wooden mast better than a stainless mount on the side rail ? I've looked at product catelogues but most seem to be permenant installs.

Thanks !

Moe posted 10-10-2004 01:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
The appropriate size for the flag is one inch on the fly for every one foot of boat length, or the next larger available size. That would be an 18" X 12" from most vendors.

The appropriate place for the flag, on a small Whaler, is at the stern, on the starboard side. Defintely not on a bow staff.

Given that a gunwale mount would interfere with fishing off the stern, as well as boarding, the best solution might be to find a mount you could swivel and put it up on the bimini, like where we have our four foot VHF antenna (see link) on a ratchet mount. In fact, the antenna would make a good staff with plastic flag clips.

http://www.engr.udayton.edu/staff/lriggins/Whaler/150SportVHFAntenna.jpg

You could also put a swivel mount staff on the rear bimini brace, leaned back, and that would fold down when the bimini is folded forward.

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Moe

Chuck Tribolet posted 10-10-2004 05:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
Moe gave you the good info on size.

On my Montauk, I fly the flag from the all-round light pole.
I use a couple of clips that I got from West.

I fly the national ensign (stars and stripes) on national
holidays and 9/11; On other days, the first Navy Jack: thirteen red and white stripes, stretched out rattlesnake (as
in a swimming sea snake), "Don't Tread On Me".

Chuck

Knot at Work posted 10-10-2004 08:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Knot at Work  Send Email to Knot at Work     
hit my profile and follwo my link you can see how my ensign is mounted on the stbd side rear rail of my Montauk.
Moe posted 10-10-2004 09:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
FWIW, I like having a staff that's at least as long as the diagonal of the flag from where the top of the flag attaches to it. That would be 22.6" for a 18" X 12" flag. This way, when there's no wind, the lowest corner of the flag is at or above the base of the staff.

The flag's diagonal is the square root of the sum of the height squared plus the length squared.

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Moe

poker13 posted 10-11-2004 02:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for poker13    
There was a pretty extensive thread on how to fly the flag on your boat in one of the forums a few months ago. Do a search in the general forum and you'll probably find it.
LHG posted 10-13-2004 07:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
The West Marine catalog has an excellent article on all of the flag standards, including sizing of flag and pole. Most use a flag too small for their boat. The length of the flag in inches should NOT BE LESS than length of boat in feet.

An Outrage 25 needs a 20" x 30" flag. An 18 Outrage technically needs a 16 x 24 flag. (since boat is 18'-6"). A 22 Outrage needs same. Teak Flag pole (always varnished!) is to be approximately twice the flag's short dimension, so the 18-22 Outrage needs a 36" pole, the 25 Outrage could use either a 36" or 48" pole.

The ensign is only to be used within the US. In foreign waters, the stars and stripes must be flown, along with a secondary courtesy flag of the host country

Moe posted 10-13-2004 10:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
In the United States, the national ensign, THE ensign, is the U.S. flag.

We have the option of flying the "Yacht Ensign" or the "United States Power Squadron Ensign" in place of the national ensign, but only in U.S. waters.

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Moe

Royboy posted 10-22-2004 03:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
I mounted mine (on a 2000 13 Sport)on the starboard side gunwahle back where the whalerboard is in the aft corner. It is 32" tall and I fly a yacht ensign that's 22" X 11" on charlevoix clips so I can take it down for towing. It hasn't interfered with fishing; you do have to remember it's there, but it's kind of hard to miss it with Old Glory flying on it. Unfortunately, BW put the All-around light on the console so that isn't an option unless you want it flying right in your face. I used a 60 degree 3/4" rail cup and .065" wall aluminum tubing. If I had it to do over again, I'd use 7/8" stainless tubing and a better rail cup (stainless or aluminum, not the mystery metal one I used).

Roy

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