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totline12 posted 10-22-2004 12:30 AM ET (US)   Profile for totline12   Send Email to totline12  
I am considering a Dauntless 22 or Outrage 23. I like the versatility of the Dauntless, specifically the swallow draft for sound fishing and setup for family outings. However, I would like to have the capability of going off-shore fishing on good days.

Any comments on owners of Dauntless 22's about handling off-shore?

I would be particularly interested in how they handle unexpected rough seas. As we all know, weather can change quickly at sea, from 1-2 foot to 5-6 foot seas in a matter of moments.

I know the Outrage 23 is better for off-shore use, but can the Dauntless handle the unexpected situations that may arise and get you home safely from 20 to 30 miles off-shore.

I appreciate your insight.

WT posted 10-22-2004 12:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Either boat will get you home, it depends on your threshold of pain. I regularly fish in 4-6 foot swells with my 170 Montauk. I'm usually 12-14 miles from the ramp at Bodega Bay. Last weekend it took me 2 hours to get back to the ramp which is a 14 mile trip.

I plan to be out Saturday, which is in between storms.

WT

aubv posted 10-22-2004 04:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
totline12,

Would 3 inches more draft, on the 23' Outrage, make a difference?

We own/fish a 2001 23' Outrage w/225 Optimax in the waters south of Cape Cod, MA. If you have any questions let me know.

Hope you have great luck with whatever boat you get.

kamie posted 10-22-2004 06:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
It helps if you say where you are and where you expect to run the boats. Either boat will get you home and even from 20 to 30 miles out but is that the type of boating you expect 5% of the time or 95% of the time.
totline12 posted 10-22-2004 09:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for totline12  Send Email to totline12     
I appreciate the feedback so far. I will be using the boat most of the time in the Chesapeake Bay (50%) and Carolina (30%); Hatteras and Cape Lookout. I will also be using the boat on Smith Mountain Lake in Virginia (20%).

I like the Outrage 23 for fishing but feel the Dauntless 22 us better for family crusing/skiing. In addition, the Dauntless is 1000 lbs lighter (not including fuel, 90 gal vs 166 gal tank) and will be easier to tow.

I am leaning towards the Outrage 23 but want to give appropiate consideration to the Dauntless.

Thanks for your help.

jcswpa posted 10-29-2004 09:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for jcswpa  Send Email to jcswpa     
Hi, have you sea trialed both? Last fall, I had the same dilemma between the Outrage and the Dauntless. I could not make up my mind from the technical specs, to much on one hand, on the other hand back and forth choices between the two. This cost benefit analysis could have gone on for years! But immediately after boarding both I knew which one was for me, mostly because of the interior freeboard issue, which affects the usable beam.

Regarding your offshore issue, I also have found that my initial concerns about having a boat that would handle everything was overstated. Its like armor plating your vehicle, that would make you safer yes, but at what tradeoff. Like in the suburbs, where housewives drive around their SUVs giving the reason that they want to be ready for every kind of weather... but they cant fit in a public parking garage, which is what they really need to do. So overkill is a burden on good days, which are 95% of the time most folks go boating -- just a datapoint for consideration.

I posted this link in the other Dauntless thread, forgive me from doing it again (but I love this boat!)

http://homepage.mac.com/wpa_inc/PhotoAlbum4.html

kamie posted 10-30-2004 02:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
jcswpa,

what cell antenna did you get and how do you like it? it's on my list of projects for next year.

jcswpa posted 10-30-2004 05:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for jcswpa  Send Email to jcswpa     
I decided on digital antennas, it has 4.5db gain, as opposed to the usual 3db for the others sold at the major retailers. It fits nicely in front of the bimini with only a 6 degree or so forward slant, really not noticeable, and has a release lever hinge adapter to lower it for bridges, mooring covers etc. One antenna in the picture is VHF, the other is matching one is a Cell antenna which has a nice connector that I ran back to the console, and it plugs into all major cell phones. Digital uses smaller and much less obtrusive coax connectors, which can easily snake through the grab rails, and the guy who installed it was very impressed. If you dont want a cell antenna you can get a AM/FM antenna for the matching one. All of this good info I found in thiw wave forum when I was researching it. If you need any other details let me know.

Jeff

papageorge posted 10-31-2004 07:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for papageorge  Send Email to papageorge     
I Prefer the Dauntless, it looks more to me like the "classics"

jcswpa -- thats a lovely boat you have there....

WT -- Do you have any additional fuel onboard when you take that montauk out 12 - 14 miles??

papageorge

WT posted 10-31-2004 10:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
papageorge:
WT posted 10-31-2004 10:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
papageorge:

Nope. On good days I use 10-11 gallons of fuel and I do not turn off my motor during the entire trip. On a rough day 13-14 gallons used.

I have a 24 gallon Pate tank.

When I get more adventerous, I will carry an extra 6.5 gallons to go out 24 miles west of the Golden Gate Bridge to the Farralon Islands.

WT

aubv posted 10-31-2004 11:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
jcswpa,

Your observation about most people who own SUV's is right, to a point, but misses the real point completely. When the weather actually gets bad most people simply don't drive.

Your point about usable interior room is also at a cost- the Dauntless has no gunnel mounted rod holders for trolling, no wide gunnel with non-skid for easier ingress/egress, nor does it have under gunnel mount rod holders.(Dauntless has fold out rod holders) It also means there is no gunnel(coaming pad) to lean against when fighting a fish.

The Outrage has many more details than the Dauntless. Those details are there for reasons and to most observers/users they might never know the difference. This doesn't mean the Outrage is for everyone nor does it make the Dauntless the wrong boat to be going offshore in, as it is a great boat.

All of that said, having "overkill" when driving to the store is one thing, having "overkill" when on a small boat in open water, is another. I wear a life preserver ever time I get on our unsinkable boat, is that over kill?

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