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|Author||Topic: 22 Dauntless|
posted 11-05-2004 10:29 AM ET (US)
I have been looking real hard at buying a 2004 22-foot Dauntless. I have five children and would be doing the skiing, tubing, and family thing quite a bit. I would also like to take a couple of kids and myself to the Georgia coast to catch trout and red fish.
After walking on a new boat at a local dealership, I would say I was a little disappointed. The molded platform in the stern killed the available floor space. I noticed that this applies to all 2004 model and I would assume it applies to the 2005 models. While looking at an old picture of a 2000 whaler, I noticed the stern seat was a box. Is the box in the stern of the 2000 22 Dauntless modular. IE: does it come out?
This seat would work well for a ride with Mom and the kids, if it came out it would also lend itself well to going fishing
If this box is modular, and could anyone tell me what year Whaler changed the seat to make it part of the boat? Also, were all of the Dauntless models made with the large consoles as standard equipment? Anyone with thoughts on the subject would be greatly appreciated.
posted 11-05-2004 04:16 PM ET (US)
Take a look at the 210 Ventura. We have on fish off & in shore with it then take the family a day trips. More bang for the buck. Take a look on our website .....
posted 11-05-2004 07:05 PM ET (US)
There are actually 2003 Dauntless 22ft models, one with a removable box/seat, and later with a molded-in seat. I have the former. When I bought it I thought I would remove the seat in favor of deck space, but found it to be great dry storage, especially since the center console is used for a head. I store PFDs, oil, charts, clothes, cushons etc in it. There's lots of space on the 22 even with it in. The bow seating is very large, and the boat will easily fit 6 people as its rated for 9. Actually, I would prefer a molded in seat, as one does not have to clean under and behind it, so it was a good design change.
posted 11-06-2004 11:25 AM ET (US)
I have a 2003 220 Dauntless, according to the Hull ID built Jan 2003, with the built-in seat. At the time I brought it virtually all of the 220's (circa 2000 to 2003) on the used market had the box, so I looked at several of those boats. There are pro's and con's to both configurations. Storage is somewhat adequate on the 220, but you can't waste it. I find most guests will store their belongings under the bench seat. I also store some life jackets, a good size telescoping paddle with ease. It is also where the long two piece stern light is stowed, which to me seems nicer then having it external where some one could kick it on the box setup. If you use the roomy stern box for permanent storage you will not want to remove it very often, since you obviously have no other easy place to store that gear, and it will be somewhat heavy depending upon how much stuff is in it. It will be a challenge to properly equip the boat and not use the rear storage, whatever design. However, without the box, the early 220's had a ton of room in the back.
If you get a 2003 with the built-in, or 2004, make sure it has the updated (October 2003 design) seat-back latch (the original design had a nice looking stainless latching mechanism, however it didn't keep the seatback securely latched in all conditions). By 2005 I would think they all have the newer latch. The built in seat also has alot of extra caulking, which is not a good thing. My boat needed a substantial amount of recaulk in the first year around the side edges of the seat back box, in contrast the rest of the caulking (on the floor deck, around the console etc.) held up well. It was under warranty, but still....
The biggest problem with the box is it is only available through the used market. When I looked at the 2000-2002 used boats (if I brought 2003 I was buying new) I liked the box setup and was leaning torwards it. I just couldn't find a used one that made sense to me. In 2003 there was about ten to fifteen used 220 dauntless for sale in the U.S. in any given month. I went to see about five of them in person, which meant flying to a city and renting a car. The closest one to what I wanted belonged to a well to do gentleman (and he seemed to be a nice guy over the phone, I never met him, his underlings showed me the boat) in a state north of where I lived who had a 2001 with the fish package and a 225 Optimax (with only 25 hours on it, but had just gone out of warranty) and a rusted trailer with manual surge brakes (that seemed much older than the boat), a somewhat under powered trolling motor, and a very bulky old style canvas cover for the boat. Other than that the boat was looked brand new and was stored indoors. I was pretty scared of the motor because of all the injector problems that model year had. The gentleman turned down what I thought was generous offer $4000 below the asking price, where in I found the gentleman wanted full price or nothing. He thought he was offering me a bargan because he didn't realize he overpaid when he brought from a landlocked dealer who was lucky if he sold one them a year. I went to a competitive dealer by the coast, got a four stroke, aluminum trailer, lots of extra options, a full warranty on boat and motor and paid only $4000 more then the used boat full price. So I am skeptical of the used 220 market, since they are fairly scarce it probably isn't driven by reality for the most part. These boats, when properly negotiated/incentivised at the right dealer, can be had for less than $50K new. Mine was under $45K (with trailer), but that was a year ago for a 2003 "left-over".
If you buy new, wait till Jan/feb when both Whaler and Mercury will more than likely make it worth your while to buy new with significan incentives on the boat and motor. No guarantees, but they have done it for at least the last three years.
posted 11-06-2004 12:31 PM ET (US)
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