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Whaletosh posted 11-10-2004 04:15 PM ET (US)   Profile for Whaletosh  
I am in the middle of buying a 1999 Dauntless 14. I guess I kinda screwed up as I forgot to ask for some pictures. This would have let me know that it was bottom painted. Not a deal breaker or a major tragedy, but I would have preferred not having bottom paint.

This leads me to two questions:

1) How hard is it going to be to remove the paint?

2) Why do people paint the bottom of boats that are trailered?

Seems to me that bottom painting a trailered boat is unnecessary, even for saltwater boats. They can easily be rinsed off.

fishgutz posted 11-10-2004 04:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for fishgutz  Send Email to fishgutz     
Doesn't make sense to bottom paint a boat on a trailer, although if left in the water for even a week stuff will attach itself to the bottom. A friend put his boat in at St Pete's and a week later it wouldn't get up on plane. Checked the bottom and it was all covered with stuff. If you have any questions about your boat or motor email me and I will be glad to help you out. I have a '99 D14 with a 75 Merc. Fun boat and FAST.
Buckda posted 11-10-2004 05:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Hi Whaletosh...

You and I need to meet up in Lake Michigan one of these days....

1. It's either a labor-intensive or expensive (aren't these the same thing?!) process to remove bottom paint...and how the hull was prepped in advance of painting will make a big difference too. The general consensus has been to sodablast the hull, followed by wetsanding with progressively finer grit and finished with rubbing compound and then buffing compound and a good wax. Will take you a long time to finish....but if you have a heated garage, it's a great winter project.

2. Perhaps the original owner kept the boat in a slip, or intended to - even in a lake like Magician Lake or Gull Lake - bottom paint will help reduce the marine growth after sitting in the water all season.

In any event - congratulations on the new boat, and good luck as you bring her back to the condition you want her for next spring.

Regards,

Dave

LHG posted 11-10-2004 05:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Before you buy, you should inquire as to why Boston Whaler discontinued that hull after only two years.
fishgutz posted 11-10-2004 09:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for fishgutz  Send Email to fishgutz     
My understanding as to why Whaler stopped making the D14 is that it was just too expensive for a 14 foot boat. My D14 originally listed: boat, motor and trailer in 1999 at $18,000. Most people who have that kind of money would opt for a larger boat with fewer bells and whistles like a Montauk. My D14 has a 25 gallon built in gas tank, aerated livewell, wired for electric trolling motor, etc. Great boat, and I love it but if I'd been looking for a boat in 1999 I surely wouldn't have spent that much money. Also I think in 1999 and 2000 it fit in between the Legend 13 and the Montauk. They didn't make the 15 those years.
Jkcam posted 11-11-2004 03:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jkcam  Send Email to Jkcam     
I too have to sing the no bottom paint chours. But, for years, people that lived on or near the water used bottom paint, and enjoyed many hours of blisfull joy riding in their Whalers.

Here's what I'd do. I would look at the type of paint that was used, and give very serious consideration to eithier 1. doing nothing, go for a ride, and enjoy yourself. 2. paint the bottom with fresh paint that makes it look like a proper boat. Either way, it is an excellent boat, and once it is in the water no one but you(and the fish) know it has a painted bottom.

As far as removal, if the bottom was etched or sanded to get the original paint to stick, it is going to be a pain to remove, consider painting it with white bottom paint.

Enjoy.
jim

TRAFFICLAWYER posted 11-11-2004 12:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
Removing that paint is like marrying a green eyed women and saying you want her to blue eyes, ain't gonna happen.

Best idea would be when it needs a repaint use the white bottom paint to make it look more aesthetic to you, although it may require a couple coats, the boats small enough.

JohnJ80 posted 11-11-2004 10:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for JohnJ80  Send Email to JohnJ80     
You can remove bottom paint - boat yards do it ALL the time. I'm a big sailor, almost all sailboats have painted bottoms so we kind of get stuck with the problem frequently.

That all being said, I would recommend that you DO NOT do it yourself. Let a yard do it. The paint is toxic - that is how it keeps marine growth off. If you injest it through your skin or by breathing, you can kill yourself very quickly. There are a number of instances where this has happened. Depending on the type of paint, you are at risk if you (a) get it on your skin in quantity, (b) inhale it, (c) have the improper respirator for the solvent you are using and damage your lungs from that.

You can save a couple of hundred dollars but you an also seriously and permantently injure or kill yourself. This is one of those tasks where the risk/reward ratio definitely favors having a pro do it.

When you see yard workers running around in a full plastic protection suit with a respirator, like as not they are either applying or removing bottom paint.

That all being said, removing it from a 14' boat is probably not a big deal if you have the right stuff and know what the paint is. There are a variety of different bottom paint technologies, and there are different ways to remove them, different processes and different solvents.

J

jimh posted 11-11-2004 11:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Removing bottom paint from a post-classic Boston Whaler is generally done the same way as any boat with bottom paint. Your choices are:

--mechanical: scrape or sand it off
--chemical: use a solvent to soften the paint.

The final stages of removal with either technique will probably be sanding and wet sanding of the gel coat. The degree to which the original surface was abraded before application of the bottom paint will affect the difficulty in restoring the gel coat surface to a smooth glossy finish.

One fairly recent technique for mechanical removal is use of soda blasting. This is claimed to be able to remove the paint without causing much damage to the underlying gel coat surface.

See many articles on this topic in the REPAIRS/MODS forum.

jimh posted 11-12-2004 12:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Recent discussion on bottom paint removal:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/007173.html

davej14 posted 11-14-2004 09:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
Glad to see another Dauntless 14 foot owner on the site, congratulations on your purchase. You are going to really like that boat, it is easy to trailer with the family sedan, fits in the garage and is uncompromising on the water.

The only reason I can think of for bottom painting would be if the trailer were only used to get the boat to/from a seasonal mooring. If you decide to remove the bottom paint yourself be sure you understand the health risks and keep it a wet process. If you get a chance to post some pics it would be appreciated.

ryanwhaler posted 11-14-2004 05:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for ryanwhaler  Send Email to ryanwhaler     
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If you injest it through your skin or by breathing, you can kill yourself very quickly.

I wouldn't go that far, but it is nasty stuff to breath.

One of my boats was painted, fortunately it wasn't sanded before the paint at applied.
I used an electric DA sander this spring to take off three coats of blue bottom paint. I knew it was going to be a lot of work, being it was only an eleven foot boat I knew I'd get threw it.

Unless you have exhaust fans in your gauge, like a body shop, don't it inside. The fumes are real bad, and it makes a mess. I started on my transom and other places I could reach while the boat was on the trailer in my gauge at night time, the dust fumes where really bad, I didn't take me long to figure out I needed a dust mast, and to be outside.

I took the boat off the trailer and leaned her on her side against our porch in the back yard to do the rest. I just used a dust mask, that helped a lot but I could still smell and taste the fumes after about a half hour. If I was going to do it over again I'd wear my respirator, you can get a good one for under $20. Its best to keep as much skin covered as you can, I had short sleeves on while doing it, and it would make my arms itchy, and get in my hair and face, I needed a shower after each time sanding. It wasn’t a fun project, but the end result was worth it.

When using a DA,keep it flat. Its tempting to tilt on edge, but it makes waves. If your motivated, it will go fast on such a small boat. I spent a few hours every afternoon and it was done in four days.

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