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im4bc posted 11-18-2004 05:56 PM ET (US)   Profile for im4bc   Send Email to im4bc  
I have lots of questions concerning the 305. What are owners overall experience with the boat?
kglinz posted 11-19-2004 10:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for kglinz  Send Email to kglinz     
I have only seen one 305 owner on the forum. His last post, made on 9 Nov, indicated he was in Mexico.... http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/007323.html
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 11-19-2004 08:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
I spoke to a fellow who had just purchased one this summer at the marina , powered with the 225 YamMercs and he indicated his pleasure with the boat. That was the only one I saw around west palm.
JoeyP posted 11-20-2004 05:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
Why don't you ask the dealer to let you take one home for a couple of days. Give it a good run around Sandy Hook and then make your decision. You can't make your purchase without a water test.
im4bc posted 11-21-2004 08:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for im4bc  Send Email to im4bc     
I think think a dealer is going to let you use a $90,000 boat for a couple of days. Did you read where the guy had a leaking cabin from the hard top.
kglinz posted 11-21-2004 11:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for kglinz  Send Email to kglinz     
If you have a dealer selling 305 Conquest for 90K let me know where. I'll take one. Thats about half price.
ptortora posted 11-21-2004 01:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for ptortora  Send Email to ptortora     
I own a 305 Conquest... took delivery late July 04... Absolutely love it but I have had a handful of minor issues. My 305 is equipped with every option available including diesel generator, twin Verado 250's, electric windless, etc.

I'm somewhat new to boat ownership but have spent some time on the water in many friends boats (large and small) over the past years. I started the season with a Nantucket, went to a 240 Outrage w/ a single Verado and then ended the season with the 305. Hopefully, I'm through. Very pleased wih her performance but have had some minor issues as follows:

- Fiberglass where the anchor comes up and stores has some chipping due to windless operation
- My fuse panel was wired backwards from the factory (so lower amp breakers were connected to wrong devices -- e.g. raw water pump was hooked up to livewell breaker therefore every time you used raw water pump, it would trip the breaker... that is how I detected it. Has been fixed by dealer).
- Mirror in head needed to be replaced, backing came off.
- Several factory updates were installed that included a new gasket around the door for the mechanics compartment, update to steering wheel shaft, new throttle controls, a program update to the Verados...
- My T top leaks water that collects in the electronics box area that is integrated into the t-top.
- All 4 portholes leak through the glass, not through the housings.

The dealer is in the process of rectifying the above list (BW customer service has been great by the way). In spite of the perk list, my family and I feel the performance and comfort of the 305 far exceeds any minor issues at this point. Hopefully, we'll feel the same by the end of the second season which we are looking forward to in 2005.

im4bc posted 11-21-2004 08:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for im4bc  Send Email to im4bc     
ptora that does not sound like a good experience for spending 170K on a new boat. Was this a first run model? where did you buy it from?
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 11-21-2004 08:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
Sounds like all minor problems that Whaler/Dealer will rectify. I've never heard of ANY boat vendor producing a perfect 100% product. The question is what vendor steps to the plate to resolve the issues and thats where Whaler excels!!
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 11-21-2004 08:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
P.S.

I'll take one of those 90K 305's also since my 255 was more than that, it's a great deal especially Verado equipped!

im4bc posted 11-22-2004 07:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for im4bc  Send Email to im4bc     
I guess I do not understand new throttles and updates for an engine that has been tested thousand of hours. An electrical system that has to be rewired. (Is there no quality checks at the factory before sending the boat out?)
im4bc posted 11-22-2004 07:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for im4bc  Send Email to im4bc     
I can live with the dealer repairing cosmetic problems or small leaks, but mechanical problems (engine / electrical)are serious manufacturing problems that could lead to safty concerns while underway
ptortora posted 11-22-2004 08:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for ptortora  Send Email to ptortora     
I do want to reiterate that I do consider the previously posted list MINOR. The dealer has been wonderful and BW's customer support has been great as well. I will agree that It is a bit disheartening that a a boat in that price range (not 90k by the way) would have even MINOR problems, but I have friends that have spent over 400k on their boats and they have had minor problems as well. As great as BW is, it is still a production boat. Furthermore, it seems to be the nature of the industry... the boating industry has a lot to learn from the auto industry in my opinion.

My Conquest is a mid year production 04 while the engines are 05's. With regard to the Verado's... I absolutely love them and wouldn't consider any other motor at this point.

In closing, I just want to reiterate my fondness for the 305. In fact, if I had the opportunity to start all over again, I wouldn't hesitate to buy the 305 or strongly recommend it. She offers quite a bit of performance, comfort and safety at a fair market value.

ptortora posted 11-22-2004 08:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for ptortora  Send Email to ptortora     
One more thing regarding the digital throttles... no electrical system had to be rewired. All factory updates were minor mods that included replacing the throttle lever assembly, not the electonics or wiring. I commend BW for being on top of their production runs and for being proactive in providing updates... In my opinion, that is a GREAT thing!
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 11-22-2004 10:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
"One more thing regarding the digital throttles... no electrical system had to be rewired. All factory updates were minor mods that included replacing the throttle lever assembly, not the electonics or wiring. I commend BW for being on top of their production runs and for being proactive in providing updates... In my opinion, that is a GREAT thing!"


WELL SAID!

Chick da Barba posted 11-22-2004 11:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chick da Barba  Send Email to Chick da Barba     
Electrical problems, water leaks, engine updates etc. are "minor problems" on a Whaler. I have a feeling these same problems on competitive brands would be viewed by forum contributors as inferior product design and workmanship.
kingfish posted 11-22-2004 11:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
troll alert...
Chick da Barba posted 11-22-2004 02:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chick da Barba  Send Email to Chick da Barba     
Not trolling. Have owned Whalers since a boy (circa 1967). Currently own a post classic 130 Sport. Love the boat and intend to purchase another - possibly a 19 Nantucket in the near future. We use the small Whaler as a means to explore the sand bars near my home and also as transportation from my house to my other boat which is a 24' Grady White.
I have monitored this site for a couple years and finally decided to post. My intent was only to point out what my perception is on the general flavor of comments regarding any problem with the Whaler product. I do not wish to argue and agree wholeheartedly that the Whaler is probably the superior quality and safest production small boat available.
That said I also think that there are other manufacturers who build high quality products that get bad mouthed by forum members when the same types of problems become known.
Hope to continue enjoying this forum and occasionally contribute. Please don't misconstrue what I feel may be constructive comments as trolling.
Chick

kingfish posted 11-22-2004 03:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Appreciate your clarifications - given it was your first post, and that it would certainly be construed by many as a shot against the general population here, it sounded remarkably like yet another nefarious effort by one or the other of our local subterraneans looking to stir up another argument.

Glad to find your intentions were otherwise directed - welcome aboard!

John

im4bc posted 11-22-2004 03:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for im4bc  Send Email to im4bc     
ptora, you said the electrical panel was wired backward causing fuses to blow. In my book that is an electrical problem that should have been caught during the quality checks. I agree with all comments on the post so far. Having worked for Toyota Motors as a factory rep for a number of years I understand the importance of quality checks to avoid low customer satisfaction (especially on your flagship product and when a new product is introduced) Customers expectations are always higher when they are spending more money for a product. This is why we buy whalers and not seamaster generic boats. This is a great forum because if I decide to buy a 305 I will make sure I cover all of the factory defects covered in this thread.
ptortora posted 11-22-2004 06:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for ptortora  Send Email to ptortora     
im4bc,
Your comment relative to the 'electrical' problem is so noted and I agree, that one should have been detected by QC at the factory. As do you, I find this forum tremendously helpful and I always try to respond with honest, candid responses. Therefore, I provided you with my experiences as asked in your initial post. In closing, I do want to state that IMO, the listing of fixes is extremely short compared to the long list of 305 benefits that this thread hasn't included as of yet. Good luck with your fact finding.

JoeyP posted 11-22-2004 07:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
Check with your local dealer and see how many 305's he has sold so far. Also, see if any of them have returned for any "MINOR" problems as previously discussed. One thing is for sure, with forums like this, it is hard to hide known probelms from the prospectve buyer.

Don't forget to schedule that water test before the river ices over.

JoeyP posted 12-02-2004 08:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
im4bc,

How about sharing your comments on that test ride you took last week on the 305 Conquest? Good points/Bad points?

jimh posted 12-02-2004 11:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I am not an owner, but I did go for a test ride in one. See

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage78.html

for some pictures. This is really a big boat, almost out of the "whaler" and "outboard" category. The boat handled very nimbly, and the Verado power was astonishingly quiet and responsive.

I loved starting the engines: you throw a toggle switch to turn them over!


  

im4bc posted 12-06-2004 08:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for im4bc  Send Email to im4bc     
Jim,

When you say out of the Whaler or Outboard catagory what do you mean. Do you feel the boat is to big to be a Whaler or the boat is to large for outboards. I am interested in your opinion and why you would make that statement

handn posted 12-06-2004 10:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for handn  Send Email to handn     
I have a comment about where a 305 Conquest fits in with the other Whalers and outboard boats.
I purchased a 305 Conquest in June, upgrading from a 23 Conquest.
When I started looking at bigger boats it was at twin diesel expresses in the 30 foot category.
I ended up with the "Whale" of the Whalers for the following reasons.
1. Price, with a fair price and with a trade of more than I could sell my old boat, the 305 was 70 to 80 thousands of dollars less than a twin diesel sport fisher of comparable quality (Rampage), and 120 thousand of dollars less than a Cabo. With this savings, I can repower several times to overcome the longer life of some diesels. I question whether the automotive type diesels such as the Volvos will last much longer than my YamaMerc 4-strokes.
2. Economy of operation, I average between 1.2 and 1.3 nautical overall, which compares favorably with the overall economy of twin diesel sportfishers of comparable size. Where I can't match the diesels is economy at low speed trolling. My engines are cheaper to service and easier to work on, than twin diesels. The noise level is less. The Yama Mercs are quiet! I am hard of hearing and can hear the vhf and normal conversation at cruising speeds
3. Performance, The difference between rough water performance between my big whale and my small one is between night and day. We boat where waves or chop in the two to 4 foot range about 4-seconds apart is common. I can run directly into this chop at planing speeds, impossible with the 23 Conquest. The hull of the 305 is very efficient, It will hold a plane at 15 knots even in heavy seas. There is almost no rocking back and forth when passengers walk about.
The boat is wet when blasting through heavy chop. I use my weather curtains all the time. I didn't sea trial the Cabo, but it has the reputation of being wet.
The little Conquest was very dry, probably because it ran high in the water bow up, bouncing around like a cork.
The boat cruises at 21 knots at 4000 rpm burning a little under 17 gallons per hour and top end is 30 knots.
I have a generator and air. Without these heavy options and with a light load of fuel and water, the boat would be faster and more fuel efficient.
4. Fishing cockpit. Most if not all of the extra space in the big Whaler went into the cockpit, making it as roomy as any of the twin diesel boats of similar size and a delight to fish.
We plan to cruise the boat in the Sea of Cortez where marine services and support are almost non existent. It has sufficient range (300 n.m), rough water capability and performance to make this a pleasurable expierience.
We have experienced similar cabin leaking problems as Ptortora, but none of the electrical or engine problems.
BW customer service and support has been outstanding.
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 12-06-2004 11:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
"1. Price, with a fair price and with a trade of more than I could sell my old boat, the 305 was 70 to 80 thousands of dollars less than a twin diesel sport fisher of comparable quality (Rampage), and 120 thousand of dollars less than a Cabo."

Although I heard rampage came out with a new 31' Walkaround
in the 155K range.

handn posted 12-06-2004 06:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for handn  Send Email to handn     
The subject rampage was in the 230,000 range, with an electronics package and twin yanmars.
I wish I could have found one of those 90,000 305 Conquests.
kamie posted 12-06-2004 10:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
ptortora,

I would be interested in your reasons for moving up from the 240 to the Conquest? Last time I heard from you was just after you traded up from the Nantucket to the 240?

continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001641.html

--kamie

jimh posted 12-07-2004 01:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
On our demonstration ride we did see the 305 CONQUEST stay on plane at low speeds--it was quite impressive. It certainly would be a nice way to go in heavy seas. Much easier to take them at 15-MPH than at 30-MPH.

My comment about the boat being out of the "whaler" range is in regard to the fact that most people think of a Boston Whaler as a trailerable 17-footer. The 305 CONQUEST is almost in the "yacht" category.

As for the outboard power, use of big twin or triple outboard installations on these 30-foot boats is now commonplace, but until recently most people tended to think of an "outboard boat" as something a little smaller. The big advantage I see to using outboard engines on a boat like the 305 CONQUEST is the room saved in the hull interior. Instead of the hull filled up with a pair of inboard engines, you can use that space for something else.

The old notion of diesel engines lasting forever is based on having a 500-cubic-inch displacement engine running at about 180-HP. When you crank more horsepower out of smaller displacement diesels their lifetime will go down. And I think you will be able to get much easier service on the outboards, as you mention.

FU2 posted 12-10-2004 09:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for FU2  Send Email to FU2     
handn
Check the windshield screws for the leaks. To expose them take out the black foam at the base of the windshield. Remove the screws and apply some silicone to the screws. Then reinstall them.Next leak prone area is the windlass hatch. It Appears to be sealed but often it is not. Try applying a bead of silicone in the windlass hatch against the bulkhead.Our whaler is now dry as a bone. Hope this helps.
handn posted 12-10-2004 09:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for handn  Send Email to handn     
Thank's FU2, I'll check leaks from this source. See my post "Puzzling cabin leaks" in repairs section of this forum.
ptortora posted 12-12-2004 09:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for ptortora  Send Email to ptortora     
Kamie,

I know this may sound a bit nuts but here it goes. I'm new to boat ownership... have several friends with boats but I never owned one. When I decided to get a boat, my objective was much different at my onset than what it was as the season progressed. I started out wanting to get a small Whaler to fish with my son on freshwater lakes. We bought a Nantucket and put it at a marina on Long Island Sound (saltwater) for a month figuring it would be a good way to get used to the boat before trailoring it to lakes. After a month or so, we really liked the convenience of a marina so we decided to keep the boat there. However, we did find the sound to be much rougher/chopier than we expected, so we decided to get into something a bit bigger (looking for a better ride and a head). We then went to a 240 with a single Verado which handled very well and was significantly better for us than the Nantucket. However, after a bit more experience, we found we were often going out with multiple passangers and not being very experienced, kept wondering what it would be like in a larger boat. The marina had just received a new 305 with twin Verado's. Just for the heck of it, I began looking at it and other larger boats (not really intending to upgrade at the time - I was more interested in fulfilling my curiosity). As handn posted previously about his comparison of the 305 to other 30'+ boats, when I started comparing the 305 Conquest to other boats, the 305 no longer looked outrageous relative to price, safety, quality and performance (don't get me wrong, I certainly had sticker shock initially -- in fact, I'm still recovering). Nevertheless, we fell in love with the 305 and after sea trialing it, felt it was the right boat for us at this time. Do I occasionally dream about a bigger boat? Absoultely, but I plan on staying with the 305 for quite some time and will say that although I didn't realize how big of an investment a boat can be, I don't regret the purchase of the 305 at all. The dealer, BW and the folks at the marina have all been wonderful. I like to think of my experience as having the good fortune of having extended sea trials before making a final decision.

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