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JoJo posted 12-09-2004 02:02 PM ET (US)   Profile for JoJo   Send Email to JoJo  
I am about to put a deposit down on a 2005 BW Nantucket w/150 hp Optimax. With the previous sentence, I have exhausted my boating knowledge. Can anyone/everyone give me their thoughts. Thanks from a neophyte.
WT posted 12-09-2004 02:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
You will look back and admit that you should have waited. New Mercury outboards will be coming out soon. Unless you are getting a great price or you need to go boating in Ohio right away. I'd wait.

My 2 cents.

WT

WT posted 12-09-2004 02:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
If you have to get the boat right away. I would recommend getting the boat at the Cincinnati or Clevland boat show January 14-23. Boston Whaler will be at both shows. I'm willing to bet that BW will offer boat show rebates.

I got a $1500 rebate and an extended warranty on the outboard when I bought at my boat show eariler this year.

Good luck,

WT

Buckda posted 12-09-2004 02:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
JoJo -

First, you've chosen a very, very good company to start boating with.

Second - the Nantucket is arguably one of the better (amongst very good) products that Boston Whaler has made available in the last few years, with a nice "nod" to the classic lines and traditions that made the company great.

Third - I do agree with WT - Specifically, he's talking about the new Mercury Verado 150 HP four stroke motor that will be revealed in just two months at the Miami Boat show. See if you can "order" your Nantucket today with that motor package...it should be in your garage in time for the spring boating.

If you don't want a four-stroke motor, then you have still chosen quite a nice combination...the performance of this rig with the 150 HP is reputed to be very satisfactory.

Now - to get you started, sit down this weekend to your computer with a nice big cup of coffee and prepare to enter a time warp...you likely will only get up for meals and will emerge from your study on Sunday night with two day's stubble on your chin and a smile on your face.

Start here: http://www.continuouswave.com/whaler/ and work your way across the headings at the top of the page. Remember to set the forum setting to "search the past 2 years" for maximum results.

Call us in the morning. :)

Welcome to the site...and welcome to Whalering.

Dave

Buckda posted 12-09-2004 02:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Oh..one more word of advice. The reference section is probably one of the most informative/helpful resources you will find - and that includes these forums...the nice thing about the forum is the dynamic feedback...reading some of the past posts will help you more than you can imagine, and will also help you to identify forum members who are the most experienced and helpful.

I try to browse the reference section for refreshers a few times a year...and JimH (the moderator) is continuously adding new articles and FAQ's throughout the year.

You may want to move a comfortable chair into your study..... :)

Sheila posted 12-09-2004 02:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sheila  Send Email to Sheila     
JoJo, a few thoughts from another neophyte:

You might check the "Post-Classics" section of the forum for information specific to the boat you're considering.

While awaiting delivery of your boat, look into the classes offered by the US Coast Guard Auxiliary or the US Power Squadron. I don't know whether Ohio licenses boaters. But even if a course isn't madatory, you'll learn a lot of useful information. I took a basic safety course online and am now taking the USCGA Boating Skills and Seamanship course. Very helpful. You'll also save on your boat insurance if you have completed a course.

Finally, you might find these two threads helpful.

In this thread, I asked for advice about learning about boating:
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008595.html

And in this one, I asked for suggestions for gear to keep on board:
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008644.html

Welcome, and best of luck!

Sal A posted 12-09-2004 03:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Also read this:

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/190Nantucket.html

First, speaking as a Nantucket owner, you are wise to opt for more power. I bought mine with a 115hp 4 stroke and it wasn't a wise move for me. I am now repowering with a Yamaha F150 4 stroke, and I think the boat needs 150hp. The hull probably can handle 175 no problem, although it is not rated for that. Do it right from the getgo. Get 150hp. And maybe even get 4 strokes (for resale too.)

Here is my boat:

http://hometown.aol.com/SalsWhaler.html

The forward shelter is an awesome option. You have to order it through Mills (www.millscanvas.com.)If you are going to get that option, then also get the bimini from Mills as well, as the two can be integrated down the road (the Whaler bimini can not).

The hull is wonderful. The layout of the boat functional and a great compromise (all boats are one way or another)between family cruising/fun and fishing.

Good luck and if there are any questions....just shoot and I'll try my best to answer them.

Sal

Sal A posted 12-09-2004 03:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Corrected link:

http://hometown.aol.com/sarnuk/SalsWhaler.html

LHG posted 12-09-2004 05:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
From everything that I have seen with the 6 cylinder Verados, the 4 cylinder, supercharged, 1.7 liter 135, 150 and 175 Verados are going to be quite an engine package.
The big question, of course, is what they will cost.

They will be introduced in about 2 months at the Miami Boat Show, and anticipation is high, so I would not put money down on any 150HP engine until these can be looked at.
Otherwise you might be real sorry. I've got to say, along side a Verado, and conventional Optimax DFI looks a little dated and sounds a little low tech. These engines have acceleration characteritics that conventionally aspirated 4-strokes cannot match. I would guess that other details will be leaking out soon

JoJo posted 12-09-2004 07:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
First, I wish to thank everyone for their thoughts...knowing what I don't know, I e-mailed my BW dealer and asked to switch to the Virado 4 stroke 150 hp engine. Any other thoughts on options out there from Nantucket owners, as this boat is still on the factory assembly line? Garmin GPS, etc? Thanks in advance for your interest and patient responses.

JMD

LHG posted 12-09-2004 08:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
You may not get a meaningful response from your Dealer, as he may not yet have the 4 cylinder Verado information, time of delivery or pricing. So if you want one, you may not be able to confirm anything right away, and he may try to talk you out of it in order for a "right now" sale contract. I would call BW directly and see what they are authorized to tell you regarding Verado availabilty time frame on the Nantucket. It does appear that BW gets first crack at Mercury's new Verado production, and there will probably be some shown/demonstrated at Miami on the mid sized Whalers
jimh posted 12-09-2004 08:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
In the computer industry there is a common practice known as FUD. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD

A similar practice in computers is to tell customers to delay purchases until the next revision is available. Usually this is used to stop the purchase of a competitor's existing product. Don't buy what is on the market at the moment because there will be something better on the market soon--if you just wait.

In outboard motors the product cycle is much longer than in computer software, but I think I see some of the same tactics.

Advice to defer purchasing until "boat show season" is reasonable, if you buy the boat on display at the boat show. If you are custom ordering a boat, you may get a deal equivalent to the boat show deal for a month or two following the show.

Mercury is on the verge of a new product announcement in February 2005. What is not known is the delay between introduction/announcement and actual availability of the new product.

Based on a conversation I had just this week with Whaler, no one in Edgewater as even seen a 150-HP four-stroke from Mercury. It seems optimistic to think that they will be shipping product with this engine in eight weeks.

Marsh posted 12-09-2004 08:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marsh  Send Email to Marsh     
JoJo:
I bought my 170 Montauk new this past January. (A Christmas "gift" from my wife). Although it was already configured when I got it, it would have been nice had I been given the opportunity to get it more "like I wanted" rather than "here it is...take it or leave it."

I personally would have done without the factory bimini, the swim platform, and most certainly the dinky little built in tackle box mine came with. That would have saved me considerable money. I also would have preferred to pick out and install my own compass, as its factory-installed position unduly reduces the remaining surface area of the center console.

Don't get me wrong: I love my Whaler. It's just that I would have preferred to pay a couple of thousand less, and then outfit the boat according to my personal tastes.

Take this for what it's worth, and good luck to you.

Marsh

Buckda posted 12-09-2004 08:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
JimH - you're right..I should not have used the word "should" when describing that it could be in a garage near you in time for spring boating season.

However, it seems reasonable that the earlier he puts an order in on the boat/motor package, once they begin accepting orders, he will be one of the earliest to receive the new motor when they do become available.

I don't recall the "lag time" from the big six-cylinder Verado's unveiling in Miami to when they were being mounted on transoms...but I think it was about two additional months...so around April.

Up here, if he were to get his boat in even May, it still qualifies except for the most eager spring boaters.

Dave

JoJo posted 12-09-2004 08:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
I will await the response from Clemons Boats (Sandusky, Ohio) regarding the timing of the delivery of the Nantucket with the Verado 150 HP, if my request is implemented...my home and docks are on the south shore of Lake Erie and boating season only begins after the ice flow and concommitant flooding abate...need everyones thoughts as I am boating challenged!
Sal A posted 12-09-2004 09:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Hey Jo Jo,

How will you use your Nantucket? IE... I use mine 85% cruising and 15% fishing. How you answer this will allow us to help you decide on options. For me, a light fisherman, these are the options that were important to me:

leaning post (as opposed to chairs)
swim platform
Mills bimini top
Mills forward shelter (the blue tent thingy in the front of my boat)
bow cushion
console cooler seat with backrest.
Garmin 188 GPS/Chartplotter
DSC enabled VHF (I have a Standard Horizon Quest)
good antenna

To be truthful most of my boating is close to land, and land that I know pretty well. The gps is more of a nice safety thing (fog...need help....call CG etc. the chartplotter is great and convenient, although I still have paper charts too.

If you were a fisherman primarily you'd probably opt for the fishing package that includes a livewell.

elaelap posted 12-09-2004 10:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Please don't take me for a gratuitous contrarian (or worse yet, a troll, Larry!), but I don't know whether I'd advise anyone, let alone a novice, to buy the first Verado off the assembly line. Maybe stick with the tried and true for a couple of years; wait and see how the newly-engineered and marketed motors pan out, and watch what happens (or doesn't happen) to their hefty prices. I've been there, since my wife was very taken with the Ford Taurus styling and bought one the first year they came out. Sure hope the Verado warranty folks are as responsive as Ford's guys were...that thing spent as much time in the shop as on the road. Can't go too far wrong with a Nantucket, I wouldn't think, but I'd check out ALL your options before jumping into a substantial purchase like that. Dave/Buckda's right--spend a bunch of time at this site reading about all the different Whalers. Perhaps the best pre-purchase investment you could make is a two-CD set put together by CW member Tom Clark, "The Boston Whaler Catalog Collection 1958-2003," which brings all the models together for comparison in one elegant package. You can contact Tom at:
http://www.tomwclark.com/

Best of luck with your decision, JoJo. I came to this site as a novice Boston Whaler owner more than two years ago and have been amazed by the old hands' generosity with their time, advice and knowledge. Just be careful around a few of them...catch 'em in the wrong mood and they'll bite.

Tony

nydealer posted 12-09-2004 11:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for nydealer  Send Email to nydealer     
JoJo,
If you want a 2005 Nantucket don't bother waiting for a Verado. If you notice the 205 eastport is not available with a Verado. The Legend series boats will be the last to get verado. I was just at the Whaler factory and there were no L4 Verado's in site. Just because they are being released at Miami I wouldn't expect them to start shipping out of the Whaler factory until late summer ('06 model year). Not to say that they won't squeeze out early this spring. The nantucket has a year long rebate on it which may vary dealer to dealer(there are some catches). I'm not sure that there will be a better rebate for the boat shows. You would probilbly pick up a better warranty or a rebate on the engine though.
WT posted 12-10-2004 02:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
nydealer:

Perhaps the reason BW doesn't offer the Verado 200 on the 205 Eastport is because of the weight. The Eastport has a maximun engine weight capacity of 510 pounds. The 200 Verado weights in excess of 635 pounds.

I will bet that sales of Nantuckets will double once BW offers a 150 HP four stroke (Verado) on the transome. Buying a Nantucket with a 2 stroke is kind of like buying a VCR knowing that DVD will be coming out.

WT

JoJo posted 12-10-2004 09:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
Sal A:

I plan on using the boat 95% cruising and 5% fishing...have ordered the bow cushion, swim ladder, bimini top, seats in lieu of lean post, and covers for the foregoing. Have gotten after-market quotes on the Garmin GPS/Plotter 178C for $739.00. Looks like the Verado will be a '06 alternative, not for the '05 boating season...confirmed with BW directly. Veteran Forum members are correct that the 150 four stroke is "down the pike" a bit for the Nantucket. Suggestions. And, thanks.

JMD

Sal A posted 12-10-2004 09:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
If i were you I would delete the bimini top from whaler directly, and instead order bot the bimini and forward shelter direct from Mills.
JoJo posted 12-10-2004 09:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
Sal A:

The dealer "threw" the top in as part of the purchase price...if you would be so kind, please let me know your reasons and approximnate cost for the switch as you clearly have an educated opinion on the matter

kline posted 12-10-2004 10:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for kline  Send Email to kline     
JoJo,

I own a 2004 Nantucket with the 135 Opti. This is the first Opti I have owned and am really impressed. The performance is very good. It's fuel consumption is unbelievable. The 150 opti should really be a great option.
I would be a little hesitant to buy a motor in the first year of production.
Steve

Sal A posted 12-10-2004 10:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
I have the Mills Forward shelter (see the link to my website in one of my posts above. the quality is great.

I also have the FACTORY bimini from Boston Whaler, and the quality is also fine.

The reason I advocate getting them both from Mills, is that Mills also makes a windshield connector piece (which I dont have) that connects their shelter with their Bimini. Very sharp. And I think this is something you would want to have to extend your boating season in your area.

I would ask the dealer if he could deduct the $1,044 that the bimini top is listed for on whaler's website, or maybe his "wholesale cost of that(800 bucks?) and pay a few hundred more and get the one that you can integrate from Mills.

JoJo posted 12-10-2004 12:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
Sal A/Klein:

Thanks for the info/response(s)...your input and the input of everyone else on the forum has been a post-doctoral education for me, to say the least. Will update and get more input as the Cleveland Boat Show approaches. Best.

saltspring posted 12-10-2004 02:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for saltspring  Send Email to saltspring     
I am also seriously thinking about buying a Nantucket at the Vancouver boat show in February.

From the comments above it would appear that my chances of getting a Mercury 150 - 4 stroke for spring delivery may be slim to none. Would one (or more) of you engine experts let me know the pros and cons of the 150 Optimax vs. the 150 Verado. I am familiar with the obvious differences and am leaning strongly towards the 4 stroke. BUT - is this engine so much better that I should wait the extra year to get it.

LHG posted 12-10-2004 03:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
A few thoughts and experiences on Verados:

1. Regarding the difference between a 200 or 225 Optimax and a 200 and 225 Verado: It's a whole different world in size, shape, technology and sound. The 2-stroke DFI Optimax seems a bit outdated when alongside a super-slick Verado. When you see these things, you just want one! Except for lower pricing, or weigh limitations on your repower, (admittedly, both can be BIG reasons) I can't imagine why someone would buy an Optimax over a Verado.

2. The new one will be a four cylinder version of the big one, so I would think this gives it an advantage of less chance of trouble in a first model year. So far, it seems the 6's are quite good. And all 4-strokes seen to have a pretty good reputation on reliable operation.

3. Availability, assuming the pattern with the new 4's will follow the same pattern as the 6's: I first saw the Verado at the Miami Boat Show in Feb, where we got a demo ride in a Verado powered 320 Outrage. Jim has documented this on CW. We then next saw Verados, 2 months later in mid-April, at a BW factory event in Stuart FL. They had two Verado powered Whalers to show off, a 305 and another 320. See Cetacea Page 78. Then, boating around SE FL until Memorial Day, I saw no more Verados, nor did I see any on the Great Lakes this summer, noting that the Great Lakes is not a particularly big outbard boat market. Then, arriving back in SE FL this November, I saw Verados all over the place, on many brands of boats, both new, and repowered on the water. The BW dealer alone had about 12 Verados on his lot, so it seems by now that the larger marine dealerships havve gotten up to speed on the training. Verados are looking like a big success already. It appears as though much of the production, now running up to speed, is being shipped to both boat builders and the warm boating markets this winter for re-powering. I still don't know if "loose" 6's are being shipped into the PNW or East coast markets yet. Required dealership mechanic training, and the resultant expense, may have some control on where they show up.

So, from this pattern, I would assume that it will be easist to get a 4 cylinder Verado in FL next summer on a Whaler, but the northern markets may have to wait a little longer.
That's why I suggested asking BW directly what the anticipated availability will be in your area.

It is not only Mercury that I have observed sending early production into the FL market. All of the manufacturers seem to do it. Because of the weather, that is where the first demand is, plus SE FL is a huge outboard boat market.
I like to call it the high horsepower outboard capital of the world.

JustinAndersen posted 12-10-2004 05:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for JustinAndersen  Send Email to JustinAndersen     
I'll stay out of the motor debate, except to say that I'm looking for a used particular BW and will probably repower with (a) Verado(s).

Regarding electronics, rumour has it that you can order your Whaler with NAVMAN products direct from the factory at substantial savings. This may work better for you than going aftermarket Garmin.

At any rate, I have to concur with everyone else - you have picked the right boat company and will get years of enjoyment out of your purchase.

jimh posted 12-10-2004 07:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Moved from another forum.
kamie posted 12-12-2004 09:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
JoJo, Save the cash on the engines and spend it on the Mills top and forward shelter. www.millscanvas.com/frame_index.htm The Nantucket is a lot of boat and I am sure you will enjoy her for a long time.
JoJo posted 12-12-2004 11:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
There appears to be a forum consensus that Mills is the way to go for canvas cover(s)/bimini top...is it REALLY that much of an improvement over the BW factory sun top, console and pedestal seat cover? I gladly/will continue to take any and all advice on this subject and other Nantucket subjects before I finalize my purchase order this week with the BW vendor. Thanks all.

JoJo

kamie posted 12-12-2004 06:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
As Sal said, with the Mills top you can add a windshield and make a full cover. nice to have when your out in a rain storm. The Whaler canvas is fine but lacks the ability to make one continuous canvas cover. Now if you never take your boat out when rain is possible then you may not need to ever connect the two. And if you fell into that trap, your now almost certin to get cought in at least one downpour and wish you could hide under a full set of canvas or better yet, head for home while staying out of the driving rain, at 30 mph.
Moe posted 12-12-2004 07:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Not only does the Mills bimini fit with their other stuff, but, at least on the 150 Sport, the Mills design is better. Don't know about the 190 Nantucket.

--
Moe

kamie posted 12-12-2004 08:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
JoJo

Here are some shots of both a mills canvas (light blue) and the darker blue canvas on a 2004 Nantucket. Notice the shots of the Nantucket where you can see the top and the forward shelter.

kamie.homeip.net/prwc/index.html

kamie posted 12-12-2004 08:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
so as not to confuse folks. The mills canvas is on a 19 Outrage and not a Nantucket as might have been implied by my previous post.
JoJo posted 12-13-2004 10:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
Kamie:

Thanks for the info and pics--nice boat!...I will speak with Mills this week to get prices and place the order for the canvas. Thanks again!

JMD

Yiddil posted 12-20-2004 03:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Hi all:) Yep! That be my Nantucket out there that Kamie shot pics of....

If you get anything, get a forward Dodger!, Bow Cusion! youl be glad you did! My Bimini is the WHaler one...and I can live with that now that I made that mistake and cant connect them...but at some point I decided I had enough cover to stay dry as long as I wasnt moving at 35 MPH, and even then, I am sheltered a bit...the Bow dodger is incredily rain prof.and great for sleeping under...and Im 6 ft. and I stay comfi under that!:)

I have a 115-2 that get up pretty quick, almost as quick as the 150:) and lighter...and Im still doing 30-35 all day long:)read the past postings on this...but most prefer the extra the 150 gives...

4 stroke Verado's 150? MY understanding is the Nantuckets cant be kept in the showrooms, so nail one while you can:)Mines a 2004 and it had to come from another dealer transfered to here in Maryland. Ther eonly allotted so many per year per dealer, as they only make so many of them per year.

See my other posts on the nantucket...shes a wonderfull boat!!!

Good luck and welcome:) Henry AKA THE YIDDIL

JoJo posted 12-21-2004 11:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
Yiddil:

Order the 'Tucket with the Optimax 150 and order, through Mills, the Top and forward Dodger...also have already ordered the bow cushion through BW. Any thoughts about the leaning post vs. seats? Still on the fence regarding this issue. Your/everyone's thoughts are more than welcome.

JoJo

JoJo posted 12-21-2004 11:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
My typing is atrocious...I HAVE ordered the boat from BW and the canvas from Mills. Sorry...shoot the typist!
Sal A posted 12-21-2004 11:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
JoJo,

I chose the leaning post. I found it more comfortable to lean up against than the seats, and also found it comfortable to sit atop. If you can try them both out at the dealer as it is a personal choice. I am 6 ft and 190lbs if that helps.

Sal

SteviLad posted 12-21-2004 03:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for SteviLad  Send Email to SteviLad     
I also found the leaning post to be a better choice for me.
The dealer included a set of seats, along with the leaning post that came with the boat. I had been able to try them out back to back on several occasions. I kept going back to the leaning post. I found the seats comfotable when at anchor, or just drifting, but when cruising I was too far from the wheel, & found myself using it as a leaning post, but not as comfortable.
Yiddil posted 12-22-2004 03:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
AS you can see from KAmie's Pics, I choose the leaning post w/ Live well:) Thats the most comfortable thing Ive ever rested my dirie on:))WHo do you know that drives there boat sitting down anyway? You can always sit on the stern seats when your at rest, i usually in the bow layin down anyway:)Im 6 ft and its a perfect match for me(leaning post w/ Live well)I got the front cooler w/ built in talkle box as well(I think its a fishing package and its been sweel:) A Year later Im dyin to get back out...was out like 75 times from May 15 through Nov20 Not a single problem except..I wann be out even more this coming season:)
bigjohn1 posted 12-26-2004 08:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1  Send Email to bigjohn1     
Hey Justin, regarding saving money by going with factory electronics, I am not so sure that is true for everyone. True, you can get your boat rigged with NAVMAN equipment but in my case, the Trackfish 6600 would have been nearly $500 more had I gotten it through the factory. In my case, the unit was a $2,200 option for my '05 Montauk and I was able to find the same unit at onlinemarine.com for $1,700. Of course I have to install it but that's worth the $500 savings to me.
Big John
kamie posted 12-26-2004 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
JoJo,

I have the captains chairs on my 1987 Outrage and I never sit down to drive except when we are leaving the Marina and going through the nowake zone to the river. Go with the leaning post. If your not going to do a ton of fishing you can probably skip the livewell version and go with the standard with storage. Since my fishing consists of mostly tossing nightcrawlers over on a hook I don't see the need for the livewell. Since you are only looking to spend 5% of the time fishing your probably better off with the storage, always a challenge on a small boat, especially when the wife and kids want to pack the entire house onto the boat.

davej14 posted 12-26-2004 09:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
JoJo,

Don't forget the battery, before they put in an old lead acid wet cell, go for an AGM sealed battery instead. This type is more reliable and will eliminate the possibility of acid fumes or spill in the console. You will also appreciate that it will hold the charge over the winter months wihtout recharging. If your intended use includes hours at anchor with electronics on, you may also want to consider a second battery and a battery switch.

Best of luck to you with the new purchase.

Dave J.

highspeed_jd posted 12-26-2004 09:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for highspeed_jd  Send Email to highspeed_jd     
I would recommend an Optima Gel-Cel Battery.
JoJo posted 12-27-2004 09:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
Dave and Highspeed:

You guys must be reading my mind (not a herculean task!)...I will swap the OEM battery for a duet version of your recommendation...between the two of your recommendations, which one is the best and most cost efficient? Thanks again to everyone for the invaluable assistance...never had more fun spending money!!!

davej14 posted 12-27-2004 10:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
Jo Jo,

Actually, Optima batteries are AGM type batteries so I totally agree with Highspeed. I have an Optima battery myself.

After checking the requirmenets for the Optimax 150, you need a battery with 750 CCA (cold cranking amps). I would specifically recommend the Optima D34M. This is a deep cycle type battery that will power your electronics with the engine off yet still provide the CCA the Opti 150 requires. For an added safety margin have two of them installed with a battery sellector switch. That way if you run one down with the electronics you will be able to switch to the other to get started.

JoJo posted 12-28-2004 09:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
davej14:

Thanks for advice...called the vendor this morning with your recommendation and ordered the same. Thanks once again everyone!

JoJo posted 01-06-2005 02:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
Just spoke with my 2005 Nantucket dealer...boat scheduled to be manufactured late Jan. '05 and delivered eary Spring 2005....Mercury is now giving me, as buyer, a 8 year warranty on the 2005 Optimax 150. FYI. Comments?
Sal A posted 01-06-2005 02:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Fine engine. But taking it should help your bargaining power. I am thinking Mercury will / or has ramped up Verado production more than many have predicted. Smaller Verado's should be available on Whalers for late spring delivery, if buzz is accurate. Perhaps you should be "compensated" for accepting an older tehnology? Just a thought.
JoJo posted 01-06-2005 03:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
As always, Sal A, I appreciate your insight and feedback...will let everyone know after the Northern Ohio Boat Show...your pics are great and have to ask how to the 'Tucket handled with the Yamaha 150? Envious as hell....(sorry, its a legal term)! JMD
Vic Holmstrom posted 01-12-2005 07:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Vic Holmstrom  Send Email to Vic Holmstrom     
I would first like to say that I really enjoyed reading all of the posts in this subject and have already gleened a great deal of information.

For the last couple of years, I have been considering buying a new Montauk for when my wife and I retire to our canal front home in the Florida Keys later this year. I am now wondering if a new Nantucket will better meet our needs and would appreciate feedback from the vast experience of this forum's members.

We would use the boat for about 50% cruising, 30% fishing and 20% snorkeling/diving. I wonder if the additional 3" draft from the Montauk to the Nantucket will make a difference in the back country. Also, is the Nantucket enough boat to go beyond the reef to troll for Mahi, if we pick our days?

Since my daughter, son in law, and new grandson live on Long Island, NY, we would like to tow the boat up there in the summer. We would also tow it while visiting other family on the east and west coasts of FL. We have a 2004 Honda Pilot with the tow package and a tow rating of 4500 lbs boat, 3500 lbs camper. It seems like the Nantucket would be the largest boat it could safely tow. We towed our last boat, a Grady White 208 adventure, with a 6 cylinder Jeep Grand Cherokee and a 5000 lb tow rating. It was a tough trip in the mountains from Utah to CA, compared to the flat terrain between NY and FL. Do the members here feel the Pilot will be a sufficient tow vehicle for the Nantucket?

Currently I am leaning toward the 135 Optimax because it seems to perform equal to the 150 Optimax in every aspect except top speed. It is also 10 decibals quieter at cruising speed and the mileage is the same. Have owners been pleased with this engine?

Thanks in advance for your insights,
Vic

Sal A posted 01-12-2005 08:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Hey Vic,

I have given hopefully a good account of the 190 Nantucket from the perspective of a novice boater, who mostly cruises with his family, and is increasingly taking on fishing. I have also cautioned in my prior postings against getting the 115 Mercury 4Stroke.

However, TG190 (Alex) is THE authority in my opinion on giving unbiased reviews, especially on his (currently for sale) 190 Nantucket with Mercury 135 Optimax, from a fishierman's perspective.

I think you would do well to read this thread:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001203.html

and also to use this forum's search function to search for threads containing TG190. You'll find many threads where a great many of us (including TG190) assess the Nantucket vs a good number of other boats (180 Dauntless for example) .

Best of luck.
Sal

Vic Holmstrom posted 01-12-2005 09:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Vic Holmstrom  Send Email to Vic Holmstrom     
Thanks Sal. I will start searching.
highanddry posted 01-13-2005 05:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
Vic, I just got a new Nantucket a few months back with the 150 Opti. It runs great but unfortunately it will be some time before it sees salt water. Nonetheless, the boat is great, the engine is great, it goes pretty darn good too. I would get the 150, it has a higer lower unit gear ration and I believe in the end it will clearly out perform the 135. My boat GPS out at just a bit over 46 and it is still breaking in so I have not been able to hold the throttle down long enough for her to get to top speed. In any case, it does very well.
I am jealous of your "canal" home, maybe I see ya out there sometime. OH, I believe based on many years as a diver and being out on salt water more than a few times, pick your days and the Nantucket should be up for going beyond the reef. I was lucky to have a Montauck and a Nantucket (the one I bought) sitting on a lift side by side. The Nantucket is a much larger boat, self bailing and all that. I do for sure like the new Montauck, it is a nice boat, but the Nantucket is what you want. J
Vic Holmstrom posted 01-13-2005 09:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Vic Holmstrom  Send Email to Vic Holmstrom     
Thanks highanddry.

I am also interested in impressions of owners with the Opti 135. Is it really much quieter than the Opti 150 at cruise as indicated by the whaler performance tests? How do owners real use experiences with the Optis compare to the whaler tests? Since tests with the 135 Opti and 150 Opti were run on the same boat with the same prop and similiar weights, a day apart, it seems the noise and performance readings should be valid. I suppose wind which was not listed in the test, could affect both.

What experiences have any of you had towing the Nantucket with the package trailer? Has anyone towed with a Honda Pilot (4500 lb tow rating) or similiar sized vehicle?

Thanks again.
Vic

JoJo posted 01-13-2005 12:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
Gentlemen:

Is the 135 HP Optimax [really] appreciably quieter than the 150 HP Optimax? If so, how much? Thanks for taking the time to respond.

JoJo

bsmotril posted 01-14-2005 03:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for bsmotril  Send Email to bsmotril     
I've been in boats with both 150s, and 135s, own a pair of 135s, and the answer is "NO". They sound identical with any differences likley due to manufacturing tolerance variances. The 135 is the same displacment as the 150 with an added restrictor plate in the air intake plenum, and a 2:1 vs 1.86:1 gear ratio. Other than that, and possible different Engine VPUs, everything else under the cowl is the same.
BillS
JoJo posted 01-15-2005 11:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
Attended the Cleveland Boat Show last evening...both Boston Whaler Reps. and Mercury Reps. confirmed that a Verado below 200 HP will not be available until the 2006 season; I was misinformed or misunderstood: Mercury/BW Optimax warranty has been extended only to 5 years, not 8. Sorry for the confusion. I now own a 2005 Nantucket with a Mercury 150 Optimax...thanks to everyone on this forum for guiding a neophyte through a post-graduate degree education in Whalering. Thanks again. I am going back to check out electronics and other boats...if any questions you would like asked, please forward them to me. JMD
Vic Holmstrom posted 01-16-2005 04:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Vic Holmstrom  Send Email to Vic Holmstrom     
JoJo,

Congratulations on your new boat, I am sure you will love it. I will not be far behind, just waiting to retire later this year and move to FL. Regards.

Vic

JoJo posted 01-17-2005 09:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
Thank you...I'll be in Naples, Fl. waiting for delivery!!
TG_190 posted 01-20-2005 05:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     

I noticed that the 135 Opti is now the default engine on the Nantucket. Despite the claims of the 150s clear superiority, I never felt as though the 135 was the slightest bit underpowered on my rig, even fully loaded and in rough conditions. I have to admit that I typically did not have more than 3 people on board, nor did I ever use it for water skiing. I think it would be fine for both cases though.

I in no way am claiming that the extra 15hp detracts from the 150 hp option on the Nantucket, but I honestly never needed or wanted more than the 135 delivered w/o running above 4500 RPMs. Having used my boat primarily in the ocean, it was a rare day that I would want to cruise over 30mph. 42mph at WOT, was great for a 19, and she jumped on plane. Tabs made it all the better for running in sloppy conditions, coming up on plane even faster, or slugging it out slower in really snotty conditions (3-4'). I have felt no real downside at all to ever having tabs on any of the boats I've owned or run.

In short, I stand by my review that Sal posted the link to, and if you check the date I posted it, and compare the data with the much more recently released performance data on Whaler's web site, you can see for yourself. Tabs made it all the better IMO.

I have moved up in size to another make of boat for offshore use. I hold the Nantucket in the same high regard as when I wrote the review. Its a heck of a boat. Mine is currently listed on boattrader, and at the end of the ad run, will be listed w/ a broker, as I am now confident in my ability to enjoy, and maintain the larger boat. If I weren't I would have kept the Nantucket.

Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

TG_190

highanddry posted 01-21-2005 03:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
"I in no way am claiming that the extra 15hp detracts from the 150 hp option on the Nantucket, but I honestly never needed or wanted more than the 135 delivered w/o running above 4500 RPMs. Having used my boat primarily in the ocean, it was a rare day that I would want to cruise over 30mph. 42mph at WOT, was great for a 19, and she jumped on plane. Tabs made it all the better for running in sloppy conditions, coming up on plane even faster, or slugging it out slower in really snotty conditions (3-4'). I have felt no real downside at all to ever having tabs on any of the boats I've owned or run."

Some folks do other than fishing with their Whalers. For water ski use the extra 15 horses and the higher gear ratio are absolutely needed. In fact about 50 more horses would be ideal. Slalom is done at a boat speed of 36MPH, my Nantucket needs the 150 horses to accomplsih that without strain with a good skier out back. That is for me with my boat under my conditions, others may vary.

Tabs and a jack plate sound great! J

TG_190 posted 01-22-2005 12:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Highanddry,

Your usage is a personal thing, just as my stated uses and impressions were to begin with.

I don't think the boat or the transom is designed for a 200HP engine.

The Nantucket is designed to be:
-versitile,
-easy to own,operate, maintain, and trailer
-high quality,
-safe and seaworthy
-classy looking

It is all of these things, but its not a high horsepower ski boat, or an offshore cruiser, etc.

If you look at the graphs of the performance of the 150 vs 135, most of the discernable difference is between 2750 and 3500 RPMs. The 150 planes at 2750 in the test and the 135 planes at 3000-3100. After that the 135 and the 150 graph meet up at 3500 and they are identical till WOT where the 150 gets 3mph more.

I understand that the torque/low end might be key to you, but the difference between the 135 and 150 is not that pronounced to warrant the $4k (?) extra for most uses IMO, and although I have not gone water skiing off of the nantucket, I have gone water skiing, and it could be done w/ the 135. I don't know about slalom at 36 mph...


BTW, With tabs, my boat planes at 2500RPMs. My time to plane w/ tabs and motor trimmed down is very quick, and it was quick before the tabs. I added the tabs for rough water performance. The other benefits were bonuses to me. Cruising at 30-35mph at 4000 - 4500 rpms and is plenty fast to me (4.2 mpg overall average on my boat)...different strokes.


BTW, loaded on the trailer, the total tow weight is just shy of 4000lbs.

Damn, now your making me not want to sell it again.

highanddry posted 01-22-2005 12:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
"If you look at the graphs of the performance of the 150 vs 135, most of the discernable difference is between 2750 and 3500 RPMs. The 150 planes at 2750 in the test and the 135 planes at 3000-3100. After that the 135 and the 150 graph meet up at 3500 and they are identical till WOT where the 150 gets 3mph more. "

As I have stated before,I don't put a lot of faith in those graphs/charts--they do not tell the whole story. A thread on here about Pilots and Whalers, I stated there my preference for maximum horsepower. They hardly did an exhaustive study on optimazation of the Nantucket with that particular graph. Further, I guess my engine must be a 175 then because the speeds it produces don't seem to be in agreement with the chart. Anyway you look at it , with the lower gear ratio the 135 must turn more RPM for a given speed. That is more important to me than the alleged 3 MPH top speed difference.

You say versatile, to me a 35,000 dollar trailer boat in the 19 foot size that cannot pull a skier at slalom speeds (34-38 MPH) is not all that versatile, with the 150 it can do it easy enough but it needs more power really.
The 4,000 lbs sounds about right, was that with fuel? Of course then there is all the equipment, ice chests, dive gear, etc

Why are you selling it? Well, good luck.
J

Yiddil posted 01-22-2005 01:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
I have to agree with TG_190, after all, his and Sal had theres first before me and gave a complete review and recommendations that helped me decide on the Nantucket I got in 2004 "Das Boat" I choose the 115-2 because at the time it matched up pretty close with the 150 for a lot less money and I wanted that money to go for the Garmin 188C, Icom 502, Bow Dodgerm cusions, Bimini top and Live well, not to mention probably a few years worth of slip fees.

The information I got really helped and I'm very happy with my decision on the options and the 115-2. Its not under-powered in the least maybe because of the CC's and the way it works vs SAl's original 115-4

I get up on plane lickity split fast at 2500rpms, and cruise effeciently and smoothly at 30-35 all day long if i want, with great fuel milage Check all the data and posts and you will see that the data shows a closeness between the 115-2 and 150

having said that I can't see what a big difference there would be between a 135 and a 150, but Each to there own. I know TG's boat is a great one and had I not bought mine, I'd have already bought his!

200 hp on a Nantucket? have at it...but for my money I choose differnetly

Sal A posted 01-22-2005 02:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Yiddil,

Good to see you bud. Snowing by you? It'll be 2 feet here by midnight! Think spring...

Sal

TG_190 posted 01-22-2005 05:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Highanddry,

I have to assume that for you to be so convinced of the apparantly strong difference between the 135 and the 150, that you have tried the 135, and were dissatisfied.

The rated HP is at the prop, which takes into account the gearing. So the 15hp difference, must be bigger than the % leads me to believe. They are essentially the same power head/engine, and one could say that the 150 is working the same head harder to achieve the higher horsepower.

I wrote a post on this website very early on around Aug/Sept of 2003, and I stated my performance which was in very close agreement to the yet unreleased Whaler graphs. I can't find it, but Yiddl, Sal, and others probably remember it.

"Why am I selling her?"

Well, Its a long story, but I kept on pushing farther and farther out. I probably have been out over 25miles in the Atlantic 10 times or so in the Nantucket among many trips closer. I only got caught in scary conditions once in the inlet, but I also didn't take many chances with the weather. I decided, that to really enjoy the offshore world which I was drawn to naturally, that I'd be better off w/ a deep V, twin engines, TTOP, radar, canvas etc. So, not sure of myself, I opted to buy the bigger vessel, not knowing if I was gonna enjoy the ownership of the deep V, and I rationalized keeping the Nantucket for travel and vacations, and eventually the Nantucket would stay with me, and I'd sell the deep V when my time wouldn't allow me to enjoy offshore enough to warrant keeping it.

After owning the deep V, w/ twin 200s, I'm not sure I could ever go back to a smaller boat. That is why my Nantucket is for sale. Never had one problem w/ the boat or motor, and I babied it w/ good maintenance, and the best products. Offshore fishing is an illness, that you can only hide the symptoms of by fishing more.

TG_190


highanddry posted 01-22-2005 10:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
"I have to assume that for you to be so convinced of the apparantly strong difference between the 135 and the 150, that you have tried the 135, and were dissatisfied."

No, those are your words and not mine. I am saying there is a difference and the difference with the 150 optimized would be sufficient to justify the difference in price. That is what I am saying. I am also saying those charts are hardly an exhaustive or end all document on Nantucket performance

"200 hp on a Nantucket? have at it...but for my money I choose differnetly"

Yes, to get that hull into the speed range required for effortless sking 200 horsepower would be nice. My boat is used or will be primarily used for water activities other than fishing, primarily scuba diving, water ski stuff and exploring, fishing is way down the list. Much smaller hulls have more power than BW gives the 190, I see them all the time, no reason that the Nantucket could not be fitted with a larger engine if BW did not religiously underpower their boats. The 175 is always an option since it is the same, weight, size, displacement as the 150 if I remeber ocrrectly. I am not saying 150 is not enough, I am saying that if they offered a 175 I would have gotten that. If you guys like to putt around, OK, I prefer to fly and if the water conditions permit, I would. I have noticed that Whaler people like to putt-putt. LOL, whatever, every horsepower I can get--I want and if it is only 150 then it will do. I have always been told and I will always believe it true, get the most engine you can, it turns slower, does not work as hard and in my opinion will last longer, provide better overall performance and value and in the end--satisfaction. I can reverse your question regarding me and the 135, I assume you have spent long enough with a 150 horse on a N190 to know that those 15 extra horsepower and higher gear ratio are worthless and transparent to the performance of the boat? Please, not that graph again, I don't care about BW's graph.
Look, there is the big engine folks and the little engine folks, I fall into the big engine group and that is how it is FOR ME. You fellows do as you like but when a question is asked you should expect not everyone will agree that smaller is better.
Hey, sounds like your new "big" boat is a goer, why twin engines, would'nt one do as well?, same train of thought here but in all sincereity it sounds like you have a great machine there and I hope you enjoy it for many years and many years of satisfaction and great fishing with it!!!!!! J

Yiddil posted 01-22-2005 11:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
HI Sal! JUSt emailed you:))
TG_190 posted 01-22-2005 11:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     

Handry,

I don't want to get into an argument, but the rated HP is still measured at the prop.

I'll say it again...
"one could say that the 150 is working the same head harder to achieve the higher horsepower."

If you are gonna tweak the 150 rig for performance and compare it to an untweaked 135, then maybe you have a point...but its not real valuable for a engine choice vs. $$s comparison IMO.

OK, so you don't like graphs. Did you try the 135? Is your claim of the 150 being much more powerful than the 135 based on anything other than the "max out the HP" philosophy?


BTW, re: my offshore boat, Twins are good for redundancy, tracking, maneuverability, and getting enough horsepower on a boat that needs it. WOT, it will do 55-57mph, but I rarely encounter conditions where I can cruise over 35mph in the ocean, similar cruise to the nantucket, but better suited for long runs in typically rougher water, which is a function of the deep V, engines, etc.

Enjoy your rig, and I will try to enjoy mine. The Nantuckets are great boats and the optis are excellent engines. Over and out.

TG_190

Whalerider posted 01-23-2005 09:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerider  Send Email to Whalerider     
highanddry...well said.

Just ask Sal about the 115hp vs. the 150hp!, he "has been there and done that". Sal may have the perfect package now (I am green w/ envy). As for the 135 hp, if your not towing skiers, I imagine that the difference is not that great, but I think it's still SLIGHTLY underpowered.

Plus...we all sell our boats sooner or later and its seems there is NO market for a Nantucket with a 115. Boston Whaler seems to agree.

Mark

Nantucket w/ 150 opti
tabs, jackplate, custom prop, several mods and an empty wallet

highanddry posted 01-23-2005 02:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
Whalerider, you have the jackplate??!! tell me about that. Which one, how much where did you get it etc. Was there an increase in performance with it? J

JoJo posted 01-23-2005 04:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
Very interested as well as to any increase in performance with the addition of jack plate.
Whalerider posted 01-24-2005 08:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerider  Send Email to Whalerider     
I installed the CMC PL-65 Jackplate. 5 inches of setback and 5 inches or so of travel. I wasn’t looking for a performance increase (speed), I wanted the ability to run slowly in shallow water without dragging my prop through the mud and oysters. I did gain about 4 mph, but the prop I have is not designed for high speed surface running, with a different prop I would expect more of a speed increase. Saying that, I really don’t feel that the Nantucket hull is designed to take advantage of jacked up motors and if you’re looking for speed then you may be disappointed... On the other end, the hole shot is better with the jackplate in the lowest position and I feel that its tracks better with a general improvement in overall handling
The install was very easy, hung the engine from a small engine hoist that I borrowed from a friend, then its just hook it up to the battery buss and drill a hole for the controls in the console and away you go. I got mine locally for around $600.
JoJo posted 02-03-2005 03:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
Does anybody know whether the Nantucket is delivered with a battery switch as I have purchased after market batteries for electronic redundancy?
Whalerider posted 02-04-2005 06:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerider  Send Email to Whalerider     
Mine came with a simple ON-OFF switch. Replaced it with a 1-2-ALL type switch, cost about $25.

Mark

JoJo posted 02-04-2005 10:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
Whalerider: Thanks for the great advice!! Boat is currently being built at the factory...any advice on gps and VHF selection and install? Thanks in advance. JoJo
hwnwhaler posted 02-04-2005 08:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for hwnwhaler  Send Email to hwnwhaler     
Hey, I'll second that for advice on setting up a new Nantucket. Mine is scheduled to be built on Feb. 7, probably wont be seeing it until the end of March at best. But it is awsome to dream. I was leaning to Navman 6600 for the deep water here and compatability with "my" 150 optimax.
John
fno posted 02-04-2005 10:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for fno  Send Email to fno     
I looked at a Navman tonight at BoatUS. I'd take my Garmin 2006/3006 over it in a minute. The screens on the Navman are like a CGA computer monitor, while the Garmins are VGA quality. Plus, the Navman was not intuitive to get around with. For the money, Garmin has it hands down. Go to a West Marine or Boat US and see for your self.
Whalerider posted 02-05-2005 10:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerider  Send Email to Whalerider     
I agree with fno, look at the electronics your considering at West Marine or Boat US. Then run, dont walk too just about any other dealer, I have found that West and Boat US have the highest prices that can be found just about anywhere. One place I like is Dave's Marine Electronics.
Great prices and even better service.
JoJo posted 03-27-2005 03:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
Finished tweaking the boat as delivered: added flush mounted Garmin 178c gps/sounder, flush mounted Uniden oceanus WAAS interactive VHF radio, twin batteries with swith/charger, Mills canvas and cushions. What I am missing?
JoJo posted 03-27-2005 03:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
By the way, bought the electronics from Dave's Marine...awesome service and prices. Word out! Thanks to Whalerider for the recommendation.

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