Forum: WHALER
  ContinuousWave
  Whaler
  Moderated Discussion Areas
  ContinuousWave: Post-Classic Whalers
  150 Sport

Post New Topic  Post Reply
search | FAQ | profile | register | author help

Author Topic:   150 Sport
pmberman posted 01-12-2005 07:58 PM ET (US)   Profile for pmberman   Send Email to pmberman  
I purchased a new 150 Sport with comfort package and 60hp 2-stroke in 2004. It is my first Whaler, thought I've wanted one since I was a kid. It is just a great little boat.....keeps my dry, very manuverable, fast, simple, and solid. My kids love it too. It came with a bimini top which is a nice addition. I would like to hear from any 150 Sport owners out there to learn what you like about yours, where you use it, any problems / solutions you've had etc. Any pictures would be fun too.
Thanks.
Moe posted 01-12-2005 08:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Go back to the Post Classics forum, and select show topics from the last two years. Scroll to the bottom and then use your browser's "Find on this page" function to search "Up" for 150 Sport.

Unfortunately, the forum only goes back two years, so some of the original information on it is gone.

You can also search for Sport 150, since some (including me) have had the name backwards at one time or another.

You can also search the Performance forum for some good info there.

I, and others, have posted a considerable bit of info on what some of us consider "the best small boat ever made." :-)
--
Moe
2003 150 Sport

SPalmBch150 posted 01-17-2005 10:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for SPalmBch150  Send Email to SPalmBch150     
Like yourself, I have a 150 Sport(2004) which I purchased new last July. I love the boat and use it in south Florida in the Atlantic ocean. After exhaustive research on this forum (many thanks to Moe) and the dealer, I purchased the 150 sport. No buyers remorse.
Phil P posted 01-18-2005 08:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Phil P  Send Email to Phil P     
I bought my '05 150 Sport in October.I bought based on Boston Whaler's reputation and how well the boat fit my needs.It was not until later that a yahoo search brought me to this site.I too owe a thank you to Moe for all his great ideas and advice,the has made a great boat even better.
pmberman posted 01-22-2005 06:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for pmberman  Send Email to pmberman     
Phil- how is the '05 different from the '04? I've heard the new one has a fishing tackle storage drawer.
Paul
pmberman posted 01-22-2005 06:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for pmberman  Send Email to pmberman     
SPalmBch150 - I use my 150 on lakes in IN, but eventually plan to trailer it to Cape Cod MA where we have a place. How does yours handle in the ocean down in FL? Mine handles pretty good chop from big boats on the lakes so I imagine it would do well in the ocean.
Phil P posted 01-23-2005 09:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for Phil P  Send Email to Phil P     
Nope no tackle storage,the layout is the same as the'04 as far as I can tell.But I am kicking around an idea to use the empty space inside the seat backs for storage.My thought is to install plywood under the seat then install a deck plate or hatch in the back of the port side seat.Wouldn't hold much but every little bit helps.Any thoughts?
pmberman posted 01-23-2005 12:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for pmberman  Send Email to pmberman     
Phil - I wouldn't alter the structure of the seats (cutting or drilling) if you think you might sell the boat at some point. Any changes could lower resale value. You're right though, every bit helps. All the 150 really has is the pouch behind the pilot's seat and it doesn't secure much. I usually put a big cooler in the stern since there is a lot of space there. I also picked up a waterproof bag from www.whaler.com which is a good place for electronics, etc.
Phil P posted 01-23-2005 01:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Phil P  Send Email to Phil P     
Good point.I'm just looking for ways to reduce the "carry on " luggage.I did pick up a bag made by Boat Mates at the Cleveland boat show.It's typical of the type sold for life jackets But it also has a zippered pouch on the front for safety gear and storage in the top for charts.Fits pretty good under the helm seat.
I've added a second 6.6 gal gas tank and relocated both to under the port seat.a second deep cycle battery with a selector switch,a ritchie compass in hole for the middle drink holder,a Raymarine vhf radio,Humminbird fish finder with a gps.and a five spoke stainless sterring wheel.
I have a transom ladder on backorder from West Marine.
The next thing on my list is a cover,but have yet to find one listed for a 150 with a bow rail.
pmberman posted 01-23-2005 06:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for pmberman  Send Email to pmberman     
Has anyone clocked the speed of their 150 sport wide open? Once it warms up (if it ever does), I plan to clock mine with a handheld GPS. I have a 60hp 2-stroke. I am guessing it is somewhere around 40-45mph?
Moe posted 01-23-2005 07:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
With 6 gallons of gas and 375 pounds of personnel, with no gear, Whaler got 37.5 mph at 5,500 rpm with the two-stroke.

With 6 gallons of gas and 365 pounds of personnel, with no gear, Whaler got 35.3 mph at 6,200 rpm (overrev) with the four-stroke.

Our performance with the 60HP four-stroke was published here:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/002800.html

31.8 mph with the cooler forward, 33.3 mph with it aft. We carry quite a bit of gear though, and we aren't lightweights.

20-23 mph is where we cruise, depending on conditions.

If there's any current or wind helping/hurting, you have to do two runs in opposite directions and average the results, when using the GPS.
--
Moe

Jkcam posted 01-24-2005 06:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jkcam  Send Email to Jkcam     
04 150 w/60F purchased in Sept. (between the Hurricanes) it is my 3rd Whaler in a long, long line of boats. I like the boat very much. I use it about 80% inshore on the Indian River and St. Lucie River. The other 20% is, (or will be) outside the St. Lucie Inlet in Stuart, Florida. We've been having a bit of a "breeze" the last number of weeks.

The only change(s) I would make, is I would prefer a small center console, although it is not a big deal on a small boat.

I carry a handheld submersable VHS, and Garmin GPS when I go outside.

I believe the boat is very versatile and a live well, trolling motor, etc, could easily be added.

These are great boats, very pleased.
Jim Cameron
Palm City, Fl.

disneycaber posted 01-24-2005 01:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for disneycaber  Send Email to disneycaber     
Hello,
We bought our 150 Sport last May 2004. Trailered it to lakes in western Maine and northern NH all summer.We hated to shrink wrap, winterize and store in October. We miss her dearly already. Very jealous of BW owners on this site who have year-round use of their boats.

The 150 Sport is everything we expected and yes I trolled this site for months this time last year to help in our decision.We were not disappointed.

We outfitted our craft with many of the suggested choices:

Mills bimini and moring cover
Comfort package
4 Stroke Big Foot
Handheld Icom VHS
Raymarine L365 Fishfinder
No bow railing (for exiting onto beaches often)
Keel Guard (Protects gel coat from those beaches)
Xtra 6.6 gas tank
Swim Ladder
Richie Compass in drink holder slot
12 Volt outlet for spot light and other toys
Trailer Guide on posts ( a must have!)
Motor transom support bracket for trailering

This spring I hope to add:
Handheld GPS with mount (still researching)
Music source (not sure if it'll be permanent install or portable)
Marine cooler(Mostly for storage)
Fishing equipment (just the basics)
Upgraded PFD's

150 Sport specific threads always peak my interest . But guess that wouldn't surprise you guys at all !

tombro posted 01-25-2005 09:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for tombro  Send Email to tombro     
Time I weighed in. We bought our 150 Sport in June, 2003, taking delivery in mid-July. It is all I thought it would be and more, and I've run it all over. Trailered it twice to Lake George in upstate New York, and run it out of either Manasquan Inlet or around Sandy Hook, NJ most weekends. It is garage-kept, and rigged as follows:

60 HP Merc 2 stroke
Comfort package
EZ loader trailer
Two 6.6 gal gas tanks
Swim platform (the Montauk 170 model)
Factory bimini-Mills red canvas

My mods are:
Stoltz roller on trailer
EZ loader load guides
Schmitt SS wheel
Edson SS power knob
Ritchie compass
Garmin GPS/chartplotter
Stern cleats
2 PVC rodholders--flanking helm net storage compartment
2 handheld VHF's

Have caught striped bass, bluefish, false albacore, atlantic bonito, fluke, seabass, porgies, to mention a few. Handles the water very well for a 15 footer; guests are always surprised how it rides.

Currently eyeballing a Ventura 210...but sure hate to give this one up! It's the "biggest little boat" I've ever been in.

Moe posted 01-25-2005 08:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Our Whaler:
2003 150 Sport
60 HP Merc BigFoot EFI 4-stroke
Bow Rail
Bow Cushion
Comfort Package
EZ Loader Trailer
Two 6.6 Gal Gas Tanks
Factory Bimini-Whaler Red Canvas

Our Mods Are:
Stoltz Poly Roller on Trailer
EZ Loader PVC Load Guides
EZ Loader Spare Tire & Holder
LED trailer lights
50 Qt Igloo 5-Day Cooler Mounted Forward
Schmitt Stainless 6-Spoke Wheel
Aqua Signal (factory Whaler) horn
Ritchie Compass in Middle Cupholder
Icom 402S VHF
Digital 528 4' antenna on rachet rail mount
Garmin 178C GPS/chartplotter/sounder
Blue Sea Systems FuseBlock Under Console
2 CE Smith Adjustable Stainless Rod Holders
Thetford 735 Porta-Potti
Bimini Frame Tent for Potti/Clothes Changing
Red Gorilla Grip Fender Straps
Red Braided Dock Lines
Stern Cleats (Late Legend Transom Mounted)
Mills Mooring/Trailering Cover

Some pictures:
http://www.engr.udayton.edu/staff/lriggins/Whaler/Dash3.jpg
http://www.engr.udayton.edu/staff/lriggins/Whaler/FactoryHorn.jpg
http://www.engr.udayton.edu/staff/lriggins/Whaler/RodHolders.jpg
http://www.engr.udayton.edu/staff/lriggins/Whaler/150MillsBow.jpg
http://www.engr.udayton.edu/staff/lriggins/Whaler/150MillsStern.jpg

We've purchased a 26' sailboat, but kept the Whaler. The sailboat may go before it does.
--
Moe

pmberman posted 01-27-2005 09:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for pmberman  Send Email to pmberman     
Our '04 150:

Factory black bimini
40hp 2-stroke
Comfort pkg
Full bow rail

I want to add a second fuel tank....would you recommend a fuel selector switch or just change the hose when one tank runs dry?

Pmberman

pmberman posted 01-27-2005 09:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for pmberman  Send Email to pmberman     
One more question for you all......I love our 150. It is a lot of boat for the price. However, I have occasionally thought about the 17 Montauk. Can someone convince me to keep the 150 over a new Montauk??
jimh posted 01-28-2005 01:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Why you would keep a 150 SPORT instead of buying a 170 MONTUAK:

--the SPORT is paid for;
--the SPORT fits in the garage;
--the SPORT can be towed by your current vehicle.

I am running out of reasons after those three.

tombro posted 01-28-2005 08:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for tombro  Send Email to tombro     
I switch the hose manually...but keep an eye on the tank level so you don't run out by surprise! Happened once to me, we ran out to sea a bit farther than usual...and I ran out in a running tide, just before a bridge. Got to it quick, no harm done, back underway in time.

Montauk benefits: can stand while running, more power, and a windshield. Still towable, garageable...depends on your needs.

We decided we will move up to a Ventura 210, when we do in fact move up. Was considering a Montauk move, but the Admiral said to just do it right. OK...

Moe posted 01-28-2005 10:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Nope... I can't convince you of anything if we don't know what you're using the boat for, where (i.e. typical seas) with how many and what ages/sizes, your garage space if applicable, your tow vehicle capability, what you can afford, and your need for speed.
--
Moe
billsa posted 01-28-2005 09:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for billsa  Send Email to billsa     
We bought our 03 150 this summer "04".
60 hp. 4 stroke; love the quiet operation and no smoke.
Took it to the Fl keys this summer and ran everywhere in all kinds of weather; performed great.
Tombro did you replace your ez-loader "float on trailer" for a stoltz roller trailer. How is that working out? There are times here in Fl that I sometimes wish I had a roller trailer.
pmberman posted 01-28-2005 10:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for pmberman  Send Email to pmberman     
tombro thanks for the tip on switching tanks.

Moe - here is my situation with the 150....we have a 4yr old and 7yr old who go boating with me and my wife. There is room in the 150, not a lot.

I keep it on the side of the garage and trailer it with a Honda Pilot. I wouldn't want to pay too much more than I paid for the 150 if I were going to get a new boat.

Given that, what are your thoughts about the 17 Montauk. Should I just stick with the 150?

Moe posted 01-28-2005 11:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
To help you picture the "room" in the two boats, here's a scaled line drawing of the two side by side, aligned at the rear of the bow locker.

http://www.engr.udayton.edu/staff/lriggins/Whaler/150vs170/overhead/170vs150overhead.gif

The 33" forward seat of the 150 is probably about 4-5" wider than the cushion on the 72qt 170 cooler. The 66" wide thwart seat of the 150, with roughly 68-69" between the railings, is the same size as the front seat of my Ford F250 SuperDuty truck, and a whole person wider than the 170's reversible helm seat. I feel the 150 is sufficient for 3 adults and 2 children or 4 good-sized adults, and I'm a pretty big guy. While the 170 is 4" wider, it's in standing, walking, fishing room, not sitting room. Getting by it's console is MUCH easier, and causes less list, than doing so on the 8" narrower classic Montauk 17.

The 170 is 19" longer, but if you don't park your boat in the garage, that isn't an issue. As you can see in the line drawing, some of that extra is the deeper deck at the bow to accomodate a longitudinally mounted 8" cleat (the 150's bow cleat is mounted laterally and takes up about an inch longitudinally), but most of that extra length is taken up by a motor splash well. While the 170 has 2" higher freeboard, it also sits 2" deeper in the water (draft). That puts the top of its 20" transom, the same 20" height transom as on the 150, 2" closer to the water, and the splash well catches any water coming over as a result. Compare the transoms here:

http://www.engr.udayton.edu/staff/lriggins/Whaler/transoms/150vs170stern.jpg

They're also the same design at the bow.

http://www.engr.udayton.edu/staff/lriggins/Whaler/150vs170/170and150HullDesigns.jpg

From the Whaler website "Build Your Whaler," the price of a 150 with base 2-stroke, plus bow railing, bow cushion and comfort package is $14,209 and the price of a 170 with base 2-stroke and standard bow railing, plus bow cushion and cooler seat is $19,451.

There are reasons to pay more up front, in insurance, in operating costs, and in garage space, where that matters, for a 170 over a 150.

The almost 700 lb difference (hull, motor, additional gas if you add a 24 gallon Tempo tank vs 2 6 gallon tanks in the 150) makes for a better ride through chop. The Pilot is rated for 4500 lbs towing, so as long as the boat tongue weight, along with the passengers and cargo in the Pilot don't put it over it's GVWR, and you have the coolers and Class III hitch, you're okay there.

Despite the 30-40% (depending on load) additional total weight, the 50% additional horsepower results in higher speed. The 170 cruises at 30-35 mph at a comfortable rpm while the 150 can be near or at wide-open throttle at those speeds. The 170's lower total weight/hp also is better for pulling a skier, especially slalom.

When wave heights get to 3' or more, the 150 can launch off them if you don't slow down, and you can sometimes come down hard. That can be hard to take when sitting down. We partially stand for big waves, and let our legs absorb the shock, but that can get tiring if there are a lot of big waves, so we slow down. The heavier 170 is not only less likely to launch off the same waves, but the standing position with knees slightly bent for shock absorbtion is a lot easier than constantly having to partially stand.

You don't say what waters you boat on, but I can tell you that while it never feels unsafe, 3-5' seas in the 150 aren't a lot of fun. I think they wouldn't be as uncomfortable in a 170.

The big advantage of the center console is for fishing all around the boat, without having to step over seats.

That's how I see it. We're fine with the 150, but had a 170 "Sport" been available, we might have opted for that.

--
Moe

tombro posted 01-29-2005 06:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for tombro  Send Email to tombro     
Billsa,
Didn't replace the trailer, only the bow chock black roller that left marks on the hull. The yellow type works clean.
Moe posted 01-29-2005 10:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
We replaced the black plastic bow roller on the winch post, which can put black streaks on the boat's white gel coat, with one of these Stoltz rollers:

http://www.stoltzind.com/bowstops.html

An all roller (roller bunks) trailer can cause the fiberglas hull to delaminate from the foam, and there is no discernable keel on the Legend models, so you probably wouldn't want a keel roller/bunk trailer either.

--
Moe

pmberman posted 01-29-2005 10:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for pmberman  Send Email to pmberman     
Thanks for taking the time to give me all that great info Moe. I appreciate it.

FYI - we boat on lakes in IN, but will eventually take the boat to Cape Cod where we have a cottage. Even on the lakes, we get 3' wakes from all the muscle boats.

Here is my conclusion from your perspective:

You can't go wrong with either boat, but I should keep the 150 for the following reasons:

The 150 has as much, maybe more, sitting room for the family (important because we cruise more than fish).
It has plenty of speed for tubing etc.
It is a lighter tow for our Pilot.
It is about $5K less than a 17.
And finally, I plan to move up to a cuddy in about 5yrs (235 of 205) so I might as well stay with the 150 until then rather than moving up 2' in the short term.

Is this reasonable?

Thanks again!

Moe posted 01-29-2005 11:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Sounds reasonable to me. Try the Cape Cod thing at least once. If it doesn't work out with the 150, and it's only going to be a once a year thing, consider chartering while you're there.

--
Moe

johnr posted 01-29-2005 05:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for johnr  Send Email to johnr     
I was wondering about which 15 to buy. Do you like the 2 stroke? I want to buy one but do not know if I should get the 2 or 4 stroke. Any feedback?
sportroyalwulf posted 01-29-2005 07:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for sportroyalwulf  Send Email to sportroyalwulf     
My 2003 150 sport
Went into service May 2003
No major mods at this point except a few suction caddies for small items.
Eagle 320df fishfinder
Have put a set of 2004 cleats on the stern to replace the eyelets.
Current projects (carried over)

downrigger for salmon fishing
bimini
vhs radio

Use has been varied from lake michigan, indland lakes in michigan and impoundments in ohio. My favorite trip was through the inland waterway in michigan, Burt lake, Mullett lake and and connecting waterways.

sportroyalwulf posted 01-29-2005 07:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for sportroyalwulf  Send Email to sportroyalwulf     
My 2003 150 sport
Went into service May 2003
No major mods at this point except a few suction caddies for small items.
Eagle 320df fishfinder
Have put a set of 2004 cleats on the stern to replace the eyelets.
Current projects (carried over)

downrigger for salmon fishing
bimini
vhs radio

Use has been varied from lake michigan, indland lakes in michigan and impoundments in ohio. My favorite trip was through the inland waterway in michigan, Burt lake, Mullett lake and and connecting waterways.

pmberman posted 01-29-2005 08:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for pmberman  Send Email to pmberman     
johnr - I have the 2-stroke on my 150 Sport and I love it. You will find there are just as many people out there who will tell you to get 4 stroke as there are who will say 2 stroke. The answer to "which is better?" is, "it depends." Best if I give you pros and cons to each.....

4 STROKE PROS

Clean burning
Quiet
Efficient (burns less fuel)
Don't need to worry about 4 cycle oil

4 STROKE CONS

Heavier
Slower out of the hole (getting up on a plane)
Much more expensive
Need to change oil
More moving parts

2 STROKE PROS

Lighter
Quicker out of the hole
Less expensive
Don't have to change oil
Fewer moving parts

2 STROKE CONS

Runs dirtier (more smoke and fuel in water)
Louder
Less efficient (burns more fuel)
Have to fill 2 cycle oil tank (this is easier than the old days of mixing with gas though - they are all oil injected now)

I prefer the 2 stroke because it is lighter, quicker at the start, has fewer moving parts, and you'll never have to change oil.

Hope this helps.

johnr posted 01-29-2005 10:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for johnr  Send Email to johnr     
This is what I thought. Do you run with the stainless prop or just the regular one that comes with the boat? Thanks for your help in making up my mind.
pmberman posted 01-30-2005 09:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for pmberman  Send Email to pmberman     
johnr - I use the alum prop that came with the boat. It is safer because there are rocks in the lakes I boat on (not that I intent to hit one)...alum prop will tear without hurting the lower unit. SS on the other hand will hit hard.
jimh posted 01-30-2005 09:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
There are many previous discussions on the merits of two-stroke versus four-stroke engines that can be found in the PERFORMANCE forum.

Moe posted 01-30-2005 10:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
The discussion, in the case of the 150 Sport, involves more than the two-stroke vs four-stroke issue, because at this horsepower level, you can't get an injected two-stroke from Mercury. You're debating carbureted two-stroke versus fuel-injected four-stroke.

I don't know if the carbs on the 60HP have automatic chokes or not, but one of the advantages of fuel-injection is that not only is there no manual choke, but the motor starts instantly and idles perfectly when cold. No smoke, no flooding, no stalling going into gear or when pulling away from the dock. Direct-injected two-strokes, such as the E-TEC also have these same advantages.

Fuel-injection greatly improves fuel mileage, not only reducing emissions, but reducing carboning up the piston and heads. Now that I have the GPS, I've found we've gone 40 miles when I change tanks, with about a gallon left in the first tank. Early 150 Sport owners with the two-stroke reported 26-28 miles per tank. I'm not saying that you'll pay for the difference in price between the 2 and 4 stroke, but you'll go a lot further on given tankage. Direct-injected two-strokes, such as the E-TEC, also have this efficiency advantage.

Fuel-injection really smooths out the idle, and almost eliminates the risk of fouling plugs (not a big risk with four-strokes), where idling through no-wake zones and trolling is concerned.

Fuel-injection is environmentally cleaner, and this doesn't take sensitive instruments to determine. There's nothing like idling back through scenic nature areas and having a boat with a stinking carbed two-stroke get in front of you. If you don't do it for you and your family, at least get a clean motor for the rest of us who don't want to breath your stinking secondhand smoke. I mean no offense to anyone, but we'll definitely support a ban of carbed two-strokes on our local lakes here. They'll be out of production next year, and the number of lakes, particularly those that are drinking water aquifers, banning them will increase over time. Carbed two-strokes will get increasingly harder to sell used. Even today, many of us won't buy one. All this doesn't apply to direct-injected two-strokes, such as the E-TEC, which dramatically reduce emissions, as well as the smell of burning oil.

Fuel-injection doesn't require draining carburetor bowls to prevent evaporating fuel from forming varnish and gum that clogs jets, StaBil or not.

Contrary to old-timer rumor, fuel-injection is EASIER to troubleshoot and repair. In most cases, the computer tells you what's wrong. As with every vehicle or motor I buy, I also buy the Service Manual, which has step by step troubleshooting guides. Contrary to rumor, there's no special equipment required, just a good multimeter.

Now... a few more two-stroke vs four-stroke issues.

Whether two or four-stroke, you still have to change the gear oil, so it's no big deal to change engine oil at the same time. I've changed oil on all my vehicles over the years, and the Merc Bigfoot EFI is the easiest oil change I've ever done on any of them.

Yes, four-strokes have more moving parts, but they also don't have holes in the cylinders that the piston rings have to slide past.

I have no beef against the two-stroke design. I was very impressed with Mike Brantley's 50HP E-TEC on his classic 15 Whaler. Quiet as a mouse, no smoke, and I could barely smell the two-stroke oil burning.

Those are my feelings on the issue, and as you can tell, I feel pretty strongly about them.

--
Moe

jimh posted 01-30-2005 10:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Moe and others,

I find it wasteful to hold a discussion of two-stroke versus four-stroke engines in the context of a single model of boat, so I have moved the whole discussion to the PERFORMANCE forum, where it belongs.

See:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/003236.html

Please, unless SPECIFIC to the 150 SPORT model, if you wish to comment about two-stroke versus four-stroke engines, use the thread linked above.

pmberman posted 01-30-2005 06:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for pmberman  Send Email to pmberman     
not sure it's wasteful. The question came up in the context of buying a 150. Have respect for others on this site. It is an open forum.
johnr posted 01-31-2005 05:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for johnr  Send Email to johnr     
I bought a 2005 2 stroke 15 sport today. I will be picking it up in 2 weeks. Thanks for all your help. What type of gas tank do you recommend? I was thinking of putting a 15 gal. pate tank.
billsa posted 01-31-2005 08:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for billsa  Send Email to billsa     
Johnr let me be the first to congratulate you on your new addition. We use two six gallon tanks on our 150 sport (4 stroke 60 hp) and get along just fine. I was considering going with just a single 12 gallon (tempo) tank and freeing up one side under the seat. I could then use the two six gallon tanks for reserve if I found myself needing it; Although, I have found it very hard indeed to burn more than 8 - 10 gallons during any one day.
Enjoy your new boat and welcome to the whaler family!
Moe posted 01-31-2005 08:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
I like being able to take the 6.6 gallon tanks up to the gas station in the truck. You can fit as many as four of them longitudinally under the seat, although inboard port side one will make the step-through a little wider.

--
Moe

johnr posted 01-31-2005 11:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for johnr  Send Email to johnr     
I chose not to get the bow rail and I am thinking I made a mistake because with the cushion in the bow there is not much to hang on to. What do you think about that?
Moe posted 01-31-2005 11:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
As Disney mentioned, the bow rail makes it impossible to board over the bow when beached, which you probably shouldn't do much without a keelguard. We carry two anchors, the main anchor holding the bow away from the beach, and a smaller anchor for shore, to hold the stern toward it.

You may also find what a PITA the bow cushion is when trying to get to the anchor and rode, and wish you hadn't gotten it either.

That being said, my wife and I both like to take turns stretching out and/or snoozing up on the bow cushion while the other pilots at no-wake speed. She wouldn't feel comfortable up there at all without the bow rail, and insisted we get one.

Worse yet, she'd be more uncomfortable hauling the anchor back up without the bow rail, and it's nice that I don't have to do that all the time.

--
Moe

EricT posted 02-01-2005 03:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for EricT  Send Email to EricT     
Greetings, all,
Been lurking here since last summer, but thought it was high time to start active participation. This forum definatley helped to make my decision to get my " Jenny Lee" much easier. I also have enjoyed reading about mods and outfitting that other whaler owners have done.
Our boat:
2004 150 Sport w/ 60 4-stroke, bimini, comfort pkg, bow cushion, swim ladder, no bow rail.
Mods:
hour meter ( currently 11.4 hours since purchase in August '04 )
Ritchie compass 'tween the upper console cup holders
second 6gal gas tank
x2 stainless rod holders ( one on back 1/3 each side rail )
54 qt cooler mounted behind helm seat - simmiler to the way Moe did his.
about 1 billion coats of teflon wax/polish on everything!
Use:
We live near the Santa Fe and Suwannee rivers in north central Florida, this and Lake Sant Fe are where we broke her in and learned how to operate our lil' Whaler. Also plan to fish/scallop/cruise in the Gulf out of the Big Bend and panhandle areas of north florida, occasional forays to the keys as well.
Chose the 150 Sport for the ease of use, trailering, garaging, etc. that are common themes I've read here.
This is my first motorboat though small motor craft, up to 30', have always been in the family.
Extremly impressed and pleased with this vessel!

Eric

EricT posted 02-01-2005 03:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for EricT  Send Email to EricT     
That's Lake Santa Fe, in my last post. Thank you.

Eric

sportroyalwulf posted 02-01-2005 08:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for sportroyalwulf  Send Email to sportroyalwulf     
Johnr
I was considering the option of one larger fuel tank but chose to go with two 6.6 gal tanks as others have. It gives you the options of just using one tank if you want the space other things or if you just don't need the extra capacity on a particular day.
Moe posted 02-01-2005 09:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Bob Wallace, God rest his soul, was one of the first 150 Sport owners here, and was the one who reported fuel consumption numbers for the two-stroke. He set up a combination of fixed tank on the port side with a 6.6 gallon tank on the starboard side. I can't remember the size, but it gave him about the same total range as a 4-stroke with two 6.6 gallon tanks.

His motivation for the mod was to avoid having to come off plane to switch tanks. He often went through shallow areas where he couldn't get back up on plane if he came off it to switch tanks.

To get to the fixed tank filler, he removed the rod holders, and cut out a large inverted U shaped area in the port seat back. He also installed a piece of 1" aluminum angle all the way across the cockpit sole to keep things from sliding back out from under the seat.

--
Moe

disneycaber posted 02-01-2005 12:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for disneycaber  Send Email to disneycaber     
Johnr,

Also congratulations and welcome to the joys of BW ownership. Two 6.6 gal tanks work best for us also.
Having no bow rail( but with Keel Guard) still was the right decision for us though we are 99% lake usage and beach often with just the two of us aboard. I've been considering adding two, low profile, 12" stainless handrails forward of and halfway between the bow cleat and the end of the siderails. I'm speculating that they won't interfere with entry and exit but will provide that little bit of security when working the anchor or when someone is seated on the front cushion while underway at speed. It does mean drilling my first holes in the 150 and I'd appreciate a link to any previous discussions on how to actually undertake fastening items like this as well as cooler tie downs and my flag staff hardware to whatever (whalerboard?)is below the fibreglass.Being a fiberglass rookie,I need literal guidance like size of drill bit, length and type of screw/bolt, sealer type etc ? Your thoughts are appreciated.

Thanks.

billsa posted 02-01-2005 02:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for billsa  Send Email to billsa     
Johnr
We also have the 150 without the bow rail and it can be a concern with passengers sitting on the front cushion while under way. My wife and teenage daughter sit on the cushion most of the time and it does require myself (at the helm) to be more aware of large wakes and sudden turns. They tend to lie on the cushion or sit Indian style and keep a good distance away from the front gunwale. Without the bow rail there is no way for them lay out with their backs supported and legs out in front as you might get if there was a rail.
That said; there has been just as many positive not having the front rail. We do a lot of fishing and it nice being able to cast from the front deck and not contend with a bow rail. We also beach the boat quite often to fish from the bank and it nice not having to climb over the rail each time. My son actually boards the boat from the bow when we are swimming or diving (I'll leave that one to him).
You mentioned that you take delivery in a couple of weeks, maybe there is time to tell your dealer that you would like to add the bow rail or opt for a boat that has one, either way it is more $ for him.
Hope this helps.

johnr posted 02-01-2005 05:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for johnr  Send Email to johnr     
Yes, I am thinking of changing my order and adding the 4 stroke and the bow rail but it is hard to get in the boat with the bow rail. I know the 2 stroke is faster, but for the long run I think it is better to get the 4 stroke because this is the last year for this 2 stroke. I have a teen ager that will be sitting up mon the bow and in S.Fl. it can get rough in the intercoastal and the ocean. Thanks for the feedback. Also any ideas on where to put a compass?

Post New Topic  Post Reply
Hop to:


Contact Us | RETURN to ContinuousWave Top Page

Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Freeware Version 2000
Purchase our Licensed Version- which adds many more features!
© Infopop Corporation (formerly Madrona Park, Inc.), 1998 - 2000.