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Ed Stone posted 01-28-2005 10:30 PM ET (US)   Profile for Ed Stone   Send Email to Ed Stone  
If you look at the parts diagram of the 240 Outrage
there is only a small portion of liner towards the
stern of the boat.That would explain why it has the
largest swamped capacity in the current recreational
lineup.I have been a supporter of the third liner in
the past for adding storage and access to pathwaays
for hoses,wires and cables.I believe the strength
is in the hull and the liner is just a shortcut in
the whaler design to add options.I can't lie I
look for all those extra features.But at what point
is it that a boat does everthing average and excels
at nothing.Not to mention what seems to be sacrificed
with all those bells and whistles,(swamped capacity
and longevity).At the heart of those first whalers
were good hull designs and amazing swamped capacitys,
and look at the age of some of those old hulls still
in service.

I know,I know if a builder sleeps on their past
accolades someone will sneak past them with louder
bells and whistles.With the legend lineup of whalers
someone has looked to the past and have found the
future.It seems to be working well.

Just don't takeaway my fishboxes,saltwater washdown,freshwater shower,dual live wells,macerator
pumps,portti potti/overboard discharge,windlass,
hydraulic steering,dry storage and swamped capacity.
Ed Stone

aquaman posted 01-28-2005 11:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
Ed,

Good comments, but tell me this. Why is it the Outrages in the 24' range have the highest swamped capacity in the Whaler line-up? I own the 1994 24' Outrage with a swamped capacity of 8,500#, clearly the highest in the line-up for that year. Does the boat, in all dimensions, jump between 22' and 24' that the swamped capacity grows exponentially. When the boat reaches 26' it seems the swamped capacity is reduced. Whats factors in boat size determine or enhance swamped capacity.

BMR posted 01-29-2005 04:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for BMR    
There are a number of factors involved when considering swamped capactity. When the jump is made from 24 to 26 or 27 feet, the boat goes from a standard configuration of a single engine on the 24 to dual engines on the 26 or 27. In this case the engine weight is doubled. Furthermore, as the case with the current 24 vs the 27, the 24 with its one piece construction with just a stern deck vs the 27 with its full deck, there will be more foam in the hull of the 24 thus increasing swamped capacity. The 27 has more below floor compartments and the hull sections along the hull sides are thinner, than the 24, thus the 24 will carry more foam in this area as well. Remember that the foam fills empty cavities that when submerged keep the boat afloat.
Moe posted 01-29-2005 05:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
The 240 Outrage is WAY out of line with the other Outrages when it comes to swamped capacity. My personal belief is that Whaler has been quoting total bouyancy, rather than swamped capacity for this model. It makes more sense to me that the total bouyancy of the 240 would be between that of the 210 and 270:

210 Outrage
2,700 lb hull weight + 5,500 lb swamped capacity = 8,200 lb total bouyancy

270 Outrage
5,160 lb hull weight + 5,700 lb swamped capacity = 10,860 lb total bouyancy

240 Outrage
9,680 lb total bouyancy - 4,400 lb hull weight = 5,280 swamped capacity

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Moe

Backlash posted 01-30-2005 08:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
I think Moe's nailed it. The 5280# swamped capacity sure makes more sense in relation to the 210 and 270.

Steve

Ed Stone posted 01-31-2005 09:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
Swamped capacity as stated in the 2005 catalog:
Total weight(persons,motor,and gear)boat will
support if filled with water.

I believe the reason the swamped capacity is
9680lbs is the 24 outrage is built like some
of the older outrage hulls.
For instance in my 23 outrage 98% of everthing
sat on or walked on is a third liner.It is like
one person designed the hull and another added
the liner with its features.
I don't believe the liner adds any strength,
just features such as raised bow seating area
and splashwell.
As far as swamped capacitys go look at the
some of the previous whalers.
25 Outrage(no liner)swamped cap.10,000

1992/1998 24 outrage(partial liner)
swamped cap.8500lbs

23 outrage(full liner)4500lbs.

240 outrage (partial liner)9680lbs.

I'm not sure if higher gunnels would factor in
either one way or the other.

Ed Stone

macfam posted 02-03-2005 04:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for macfam  Send Email to macfam     

"Swamped capacity as stated in the 2005 catalog:
Total weight(persons,motor,and gear)boat will
support if filled with water."

"Filled with water" is NOT necessarily water up to the gunwales. It's the amount of water that any particular model configuration can hold.
If you take a look at the 240 Outrage with built-in transom door, or the Classic 25 Outrage with the standard transom, the boat can only hold water about 6-8 inches deep, and then it will just run out the transom.
So the amount of the water it can hold is really not that great.
So, sure....add as much water as possible("filled with water"), and it will hold a lot of additional weight.

Now take the 290 Conquest: You can fill the entire cabin area with water, and that is a LOT OF WATER!!
Needless to say, that hull configuration will not support as much additional weight.

Try this:
A Classic 25 standard transom with twins, and a Classic 25 with a closed transom with twin "Sea Drives" and NO Whaler Drive.
That closed transom 25 Outrage will hold a hell of a lot more water than the standard transom 25. With all that wight, the swamped capacities would therefore be vastly different.

Anyway you look at it......neither will sink with the amount of persons and gear even if overloaded.....one will just hold a lot more weight than the other when they are holding has much water as possible.
(If you add enough weight, anything will sink!!)

That's my take on it.

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