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Perry posted 02-01-2005 03:01 AM ET (US)   Profile for Perry   Send Email to Perry  
I have read several recent posts about new Nantuckets and have founds lots of great information. Now that I have sold my Dauntless 160, I am ready to move up in size. I have heard people mention prices ranging from $29,995 to over $35,000. I realize that the motor and options you choose have a large impact on the overall cost.

Here in Hawaii everything is more expensive than it is on the mainland. The main reason is because everything needs to be transported halfway across the Pacific to get here.

I know the owner of the local (and only) Boston Whaler dealer here. I called him this morniong and he quoted me a price for a 2005 Nantucket with a 115 4 stroke Mercury and trailer for $34,500. I told him that I thought they cost less than that and he explained to me that he has to pay an additional $1500 to get the boat here to Hawaii. Does this sound about right?

I then asked him about the possibility of swapping out the 115 Mercury for a Honda or Yamaha 4 stroke. He said he would think about it. He called me later this afternoon and told me he would swap out the 115 Mercury and put on a new Honda BF135 (sister to the new BF150) for $37,000. This would include trailer, cost for removing the Mercury and installing the Honda, rigging, prop and everything.

I have read lots of great reviews for this new motor and know someone who recently put one on a Classic Outrage 18. It pushes his boat to over 47 mph. I would prefer a 150 on the Nantucket but the dealer says he only has one 2004 BF135 left and a 2005 BF150 will cost a lot more.

He said he will give me a while to decide which way I want to go. His next order of Nantuckets wont be here for a few months so I can think about it for a while.

Is the Honda 4 stroke (which has 20 more horsepower) worth an additional $2,500? I would mainly use the boat for fishing and cruising. Will 135 HP be enough for this boat?

Sal A posted 02-01-2005 05:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     

When you fish and cruise, how many people are in your boat? How much "stuff" do you carry? I have found that the 115 4 stroke on the Nantucket is fine for cruising with a light load on calm bays (light load = myself, and maybe 2 kids, and say half a tank of gas). Anything above that weight, and the 115 4stroke efi is challlenged on the Nantucket.

I researched the Hondas when I repowered. I think the 135 is the same as the 150 without the Vtec, and that this 2003-introduced pair of engines are 20lbs lighter than the 130 before them. I would definitely put the Honda 135 on. It seems you have less margin for error in Hawaii to get it right because of higher costs.

At about $37,000 for your boat with trailer and Honda 135? Done right from the getgo? Sounds less expensive than the route I took. Good luck Perry.

bwc8418 posted 02-01-2005 06:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for bwc8418  Send Email to bwc8418     
Perry, I have a 84 18' outrage with a 2004 Honda 150, I have always had a 150, and never regretted it. I know that the 135 is basically the same as the 150 just I believe the word is de-tuned. With the Honda speedo and depth finder paddle wheel, I am running 49 to 49, not fully loaded.
For me it was the 150.
Perry posted 02-02-2005 12:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
I normally cruise with 3 or 4 people on board and don't bring along too much "stuff". When I fish it is usually me and another person. I think the BF 135 should be enough power. I usually troll in the open ocean and don't have the flat water to take it to WOT very often.

Did you repower with a 150 4 stroke? How is the holeshot? Does it perform well fully loaded?

hwnwhaler posted 02-02-2005 02:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for hwnwhaler  Send Email to hwnwhaler     
Aloha Perry,
I've been watching, reading, and learning a lot the last 6 months through Continuouswave. Enough that I just ordered a 2005 Nantucket!! Since I did'nt order from our local dealer, I would rather talk $, location off the forum. I hope this is OK but I like and respect our local dealer, I just had other reasons to go outside "his" territory. e-mail me and I'll give you all the info I have on my deal.
Mahalo, John
Sal A posted 02-02-2005 05:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
I repowered with a Yamaha F150. I have only tried it once in late December before I put her away, so I will have more details come Spring. From the one time out, accelaration was crazy. We also kissed 50mph with a light load on a calm bay. In reality I cruise at 30 mph, and this setup will allow me to do that without running the engine at 5200 rpm's. I don't think you will be happy with the 115 4-stroke, and I think you will be happy with the Honda 135. I picked the Yamaha because my dealer and rigger could swing making that happen, not because of a strong preference for Yamaha over Honda (or Mercury for that matter). Best of luck.... do it right. Lots of money to pay just to be disappointed...
bigjohn1 posted 02-02-2005 07:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1  Send Email to bigjohn1     
Perry, $1,500 does indeed sound fair for shipment to Hawaii. I have no affilitation with any dealer but I learned a great deal when researching shipping charges to outside CONUS when I bought my new 170 here in Guam four months ago. Here are just "some" of the cost factors involved when a dealer quotes shipping charges to a location outside the "upper 48":

1. Overland Freight (to get it from Florida to the West Coast).
2. Packing charges. The dealer must pay someone to take your new boat off that tractor trailer (in LA, Oakland, Seattle, or wherever) and custom pack it inside a 40ft container for ocean shipment.
3. Origin terminal (or Port) fees if there is one levied on the port he uses.
4. Customs fee.
5. Ocean freight charge. This is what Matson Navigation (or other company) charges to transport the container to, in your case, Honolulu.
6. Marine the unlikely event there is damage to (or loss of) your craft during the ocean transit.
7. Destination terminal fee (if applicable in Honolulu).
8. Customs fee (likely does not apply if only going from CA to HI.
9. Unpackaging fee. To very carefully lift your new boat out of that "box".
10. Rigging put the motor and controls on the new boat.
Most dealers in Guam, Hawaii, PR, etc. have freight forwarding agents that arrange and do all (but final rigging) for them but it comes at a price - which of course will be passed on to you the consumer. If John's idea works for you then great but just be advised I know a few people here in Guam who tried to beat the local dealers shipping charges by flying back and making their own deals and arranging their own shipping. There is no doubt you will get the boat for a cheaper price but once you factor in all the things I mention above (that you will have to arrange yourself), it may or may not be worth it so look closely. Unless I was going to save a SUBSTANTIAL sum, I would not take on this task alone as normally the dealer's freight forwarder is able to stuff other merchandise in that box with your boat and thereby lower the overall cost by "spreading it out" in the final sale of everything inside the box.

Also....and this could be a biggie...all shipping boxes have 8' doors but you lose nearly 2" on each side due to the hinges. Depending on the beam of the Nantucket, it may or may not fit through the doors. They may or may not be able (or willing) to cock the boat up to an angle to make it fit. Any boat that does not fit inside those standard TEU shipping containers must be shipped on the open deck of the transport ship and this is the absolutely most expensive way to ship as Matson or whomever owns the ship must now dedicate precious deck space that could be used for stackable containers. Since they can't stack anything on top of your boat and thereby lose cargo space, they charge you through the nose for it.

To give you an elementary idea - a rough ballpark figure - for costs of shipping 20 and 40ft containers via ocean, go to the websites of Matson, Lykes Lines (or any other ocean freight carrier) and see what the standard container charge is from CA to HI. FYI, the basic container charge from Oakland-to-Guam through Matson Naviagation is about $3,500. That is the "basic" charge and will go up depending on exact weight of the container.

Bottom line: Its your money and I can appreciate trying to get the best price. That said, if it were me and they were quoting $1,500 to Hawaii, I'd take it in a skinny minute and let your dealer deal with the tons of BS involved in doing this.
Big John

Marlin posted 02-02-2005 08:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for Marlin  Send Email to Marlin     
> 6. Marine the unlikely event
> there is damage to (or loss of) your craft
> during the ocean transit.

On the bright side, we'd have another interesting Cetacea article out of the event!

bigjohn1 posted 02-03-2005 07:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1  Send Email to bigjohn1     
Marlin, yes...except I just hope it doesn't happen to me:-)

While I don't think this is a routine occurrence, it does indeed happen probably moreso to military vessels though. I can recall in years past on more than one occasion when we were conducting ship-to-ship underway replenishment evolutions at sea where "material" inadvertently fell into the "drink"...boy, talk about the Captain getting pissed:-)
Big John

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