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kamie posted 02-06-2005 04:32 PM ET (US)   Profile for kamie   Send Email to kamie  
I am starting to look for my next whaler and it seems that a jump between my 18 and a 23/24 foot would be the best jump. I think a 26 foot boat is excessively large for where I boat although I like the looks and the 1998-2001 26 Outrage has all the items I am looking for, should the location where I boat change the 26 would fit the bill nicely. Requirements for the new boat are as follows, a head, more comfortable seating for cruising and twins or at least the possibility of them should I repower, ability to comfortably take the river/Bay in the chop . Here are the options I see.

24 Outrage 1994 to 1998
23/230 Outrage 1998 to 2002
240 Outrage 2003 – Present.

The 94-98 24 Outrage version seems to be a light boat with a huge fuel tank and high horsepower. On the comfort side as far as seats go, the full width stern seat seems nice but doesn’t seem that it was a popular option. Since I am looking used, I would like to have all the major options I want present and not have to hunt around for them. I have not checked to see if the stern seat is still available.

The 23/230 version has 166 gallon tank and the same HP as the heavier 240 Outrage. It’s a foot shorter and a 1100lbs lighter than the new version. I like the stow away bench seat and the bow cushions. The front flip down seat seems nice, but from photo’s this looks like a single person seat and not sure about the stability? There is also no cushioned back rest on the front of the console. This boat seems to have gained weight along the way, almost 475 lbs and suddenly went from 9 people to 12 . Since it looks like the identical boat, I am going to assume there were some proof reading issues with the catalogs in the early years? The downside to the 23 Outrage is that most of the boats out on the used market have single 225HP. The other item missing on most used boats it the forward coaming bolsters which I think were an option. I can probably find some after market ones, although Whaler versions may still be available.

In the latest version, the gas tank has shrunk in size and the dry weight has gone up by 1100 pounds, the HP is still topped at 300. With the extra weight this boat seems to be begging for more HP, especially with capacity of 12 people. Not really sure why Whaler didn’t max this out at 400HP like the older 24. This is the only one I have had the pleasure to ride on and that was a nice smooth ride. It wasn’t as smooth as it could have been but hopefully that would get better as you learn to pilot the boat. I think the folding stern seat is nice, it’s plenty comfortable for cruzing and seats two folks. The seat forward of the console is molded in now which provided some extra storage in the CC. It is really a one person seat although it is surprisingly a comfortable ride, even in 2 foot chop. Nice cushion on the front of the console makes the seat even more usable.

Comfort wise, I think any of these would be a serious step up from my current 18 Outrage. I know from walking around and riding on the new 240 it’s a huge boat compared the 18, and a big step up from a comfort perspective. The only downside to the larger boat is it’s not trailerable with my current Blazer. The Blazer tops out at 5000 pounds and I think any of these boats would exceed that easily. Since I don’t trailer my boats I don’t see this as a huge issue, only one that may limit my search to used boats close to home.

My order of preference would be the 23/230 and then the 240. Mainly because the older boat offers the comforts without the high sticker price. Anyone have thoughts either on these or any other Whalers I failed to consider?

Thanks

aquaman posted 02-06-2005 11:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
Kamie,

Being the owner of a 1994 24" Outrage with a 2000 250hp OX66 Yamaha I can tell you it would be a very good choice. I think the 24 feels considerably bigger in the cockpit then the 23 due to the lack of the "Euro Transom" that the 23 has. It is "big boat" dry, solid ride that really knocks down the spray, built in trim tabs, holds 195 gal. of fuel, has a head, big electronics box, lots of room for dry gear in the center consol, and tons of room. It is my understanding the rear seat is still available which would be a good option. The seat has a quick disconnect feature making it easy to remove. I am very happy with mine...

Sheila posted 02-07-2005 01:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sheila  Send Email to Sheila     
Kamie,
If you plan to keep the boat in a slip or on a lift, don't let trailerability be a factor. Don't you have a friend with a big beefy tow vehicle who could help you bring that new boat home? Or in the worst case, you could hire a boat transport company to deliver it.

Don't let a one-time event (getting the boat to you) keep you from the boat you really want.

SeaBiscuit posted 02-07-2005 08:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for SeaBiscuit  Send Email to SeaBiscuit     
Kamie,
I made the same jump recently, going from a 19' outrage to a '99 23'OR. I was fortunate enough to find a 23 with twin 150 two stroke Yamahas. I am very happy with the 23 so far. As I mentioned here before, I think that this boat with twin Yamaha 150 four stroke, four cylinder (lighter than V6) motors would be a near ideal configuration. A single 250 or 275 four stroke may be very nice repowering option as well.
SeaBiscuit
aubv posted 02-07-2005 09:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
kamie,

When we purchased our 2001 23' Outrage w/225 HP we had the dealer install the optional front folding seat, sight unseen. We where not disappointed. The seat is constructed very well and while it is not very wide both, my wife and I have sat on the seat, together. Stability is not an issue nor is noise.

As far as limiting your search, we purchased a boat 285 miles away from home port and used the opportunity to take a great boat trip by water (NJ-MA). After all, isn't the purpose of the boat to use it in the water? In fact, based on your location I would consider a boat just about anywhere on the east coast. Given the right weather and good planning the majority of the east coast is only 3 days by water in a 23' Outrage. We are considering bring our boat south to the Carolinas, by water, at the end of the 2006 season to store the boat and then make a return trip in the spring of 2007.

We happen to like the Euro-transom and the folding bench seat on 1998-2002 23' OR. It offers better flexibility than the earlier version but as aquaman pointed out at some (minor) cost in cockpit space and a smaller seat. The advantages include no open transom but a transom door, built in live well, additional rod holders and the transom is a great place to sit on even if the seat isn't down. It also has a huge added benefit of making a great corner with which to lean when fighting a fish.

Personally, I would not bother with the foward coaming bolsters. I fish from the bow all of the time and once I hook up, I move to the stern.

Best of luck with whatever boat you choose.

diveorfish posted 02-07-2005 01:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for diveorfish  Send Email to diveorfish     
This is a tough choice, they are all good boats. It will ultimately come down to your own personal preference.

Just don’t get a 240 with a single 4 stroke. In their first year a lot of 240s came with a single 225 four stoke. I think they were ordered that way to keep the price down as opposed to twins. My dealer said that it was a “real dog,” to quote him. Given the size of the boat and my experience with twin 135’s on a 23, I believe him. If you get a 240, get it with twins or a bigger single if possible.

Probably the biggest difference between the boats is that the 23 and 240 have the euro transom and the 24 does not. I got the 23 because, at the time, there was no 240 and I really wanted the euro transom for three reasons. One, if you use the boat to swim off of, (i.e. diving, snorkeling, water toys etc) the euro transom makes getting on and off the boat extremely easy due to the built in swim ladder and platform. Also, on a side note, the same ladder makes it easy to board the boat when it is on the trailer. Two, the stow away rear seat is also great. You can sit three very comfortably while under way. Three, the built in live well is out of the way but easily accessible. I really hate those make shift setups that also take up a lot of room. If you can get a 24 with that back seat though, that would be a nice setup.

As far as the other features go, the front console seat on the 23 is a nice option but it is not a very comfortable place to sit while underway in 3 foot seas or above. Since it is in the front the boat, the hapless victim sitting down in the front will catch air many times in rough seas.

The forward coaming bolsters are nice but don’t provide much function other than providing a nice back rest while lounging on the bow pad at rest. The rear ones are a must though.

The one feature not mentioned is the factory T-top. It is a really nice feature to have. You get a nice place to mount radar and antennas. You get an additional overhead electronics box which is a great place to put your radio. Lastly, you get some additional metal work that offers many additional hand holds which come in real handy in a pitching sea.

Good luck in your search.

kamie posted 02-07-2005 06:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Thanks to everyone who has jumped in so far,

Sheila,
The boat will be slipped. I slip my 18 because I am the pullup in the car, toss stuff into the boat and go type. In additon to the fact I have no place at my house to store a boat. I do have friends that have nice new big trucks who have offered to help bring the new additon home whenever it arrives.

diveorfish,
The only way I would get a 204 is with twin 135 or 150s. The one I was riding in has twin 150s and she really flew along. As for the front console seat, that may be a try and see type of option. I would almost consider putting a cooler there depending on how wide the console is and add a backrest to the front of the console. That way when I wanted to open up the deck, the cooler could be moved elsewhere. the only reason I was looking for the forward coaming bolsters was I think it would make the front more comfortable at rest. Something nice to lean against. I have a t-top on my 18 and I have to see the factory version. I ageee the t-top gives fantastic places to hold on, the electronics box on mine is too high so I am moving all my electronics down this year so I can see them. I believe the one on the 240 has the same issues but I will check again at the boat show. I am not sure how much sun/rain protection the factory one gives but mine is slack in that category. I have mixed feelings about the t-top but having one or not having one won't sway me on way or the other.

aquaman,
Thanks for pointing out the quick disconnect on the seat. I didn't know they made it that way. I will check with Sue or Whalertowne to see if the option is still available.

aubv, I hadn't though about piloting her home but I guess it would be good use of the Advanced Coastal Navigation course I am currently taking. Since I have never gone farther than the river close to where I dock my current 18, that would be an adventure.

I guess I really haven't decided between the Euro Transom and the standard transom of the 24 Outrage. I like the built in swim platform, especially for dragging the dog back aboard the boat. I also like the ability to run a ramp from the pier to the platform for the less nimble folks I might take out on the boat. But I'm not really sold either way yet, cause both styles are still on the list.

diveorfish posted 02-07-2005 07:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for diveorfish  Send Email to diveorfish     
Kamie: About the factory T-top and that overhead electronics box. You’re right about the electronics box being too high. I think the factory T-top electronics box is too high as well. What my dealer did was put my VHF radio (Icon 502) in the T-top box then install a portable mike connection on the console just right of the console electronics box. All my other electronics are in the console box and when my portable mike is plugged into the console port, everything is at my fingertips. If you plan on mounting radar though, the T-top is better that an arch.

A few other observations about of the 23 and 240.

I would bet the 240 would ride a bit better in a head sea because I think the deadrise is 22 degrees at the transom. The 23 has a 20 degree deadrise at the transom and although both are variable deadrise as you go from bow to stern the 240 has to be at least a tad better.

I don’t know about the 240 but the 23 is very stable. It almost feels like an inflatable. The 23 also tracks and rides well in a following or a beam sea.

One nice thing the 23 has is a bigger anchor locker than the 240, at least on 23s with a bow pulpit. I have an oversized claw anchor (The claw allows me anchor off shore in heavy surge and my boat doesn’t move and the anchor never gets stuck. My original Danforth drove me nuts because it often got stuck in rocks and wouldn’t hold in mud) and I can put it plus 15 feet of chain and a 150 feet of line in the locker no problem. No matter how tight I pulled the anchor chain, it always rattled in a rough sea. Now that the anchor is in the locker, I can ride heavy seas without any annoying chain rattles.

aubv posted 02-07-2005 10:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Kamie,

Our boat has the factory t-top, weather curtains and outriggers. The T-top is very big and very good at keeping you out of the sun. Grundens work for rain. I took the weather curtains off after the shake down cruise and haven't put them back on. The t-top supports are large and numerous, because of that I didn't like the additional clutter of the upper e-box.

I mounted our radio at the back of the t-top inside the canvas with zip ties. When I get on the boat I unzip the canvas and slide the canvas over the top of the radio. Pull out the microphone and put it in the clip. I mounted the clip for the microphone with a couple of zip ties on the rear tube of the t-top. This puts the micro phone and speaker centrally located over the leaning post. Makes hearing and reaching for the micro very easy from either side of the leaning post. This location also makes access to it very easy as you can use the leaning post fold down foot rest or kneel on the cushions.

One of the changes I don't like on the 240 is the fact that they change the way the transom door opens. It now opens inward and doesn't open a full 90 degrees. BW also stopped putting on the eyes on the inside of the transom in the motor well, I use ours regularly.

fwiw

BLUEWATERHUNTER posted 02-10-2005 11:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for BLUEWATERHUNTER  Send Email to BLUEWATERHUNTER     
kamie
Am looking for an 18 outrage,are you selling yours?
Robert
kamie posted 02-10-2005 09:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
sorry, Evenstar is not for sale although if I buy a bigger boat I may have to rename her T/T Evenstar. I could of course name the new boat an complimentary name,just have to think of one
Marlin posted 02-10-2005 10:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marlin  Send Email to Marlin     
Morningstar.
Yiddil posted 02-12-2005 09:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Kamie, I knoiw next to nothing about the above mentioned boats but I do know I liked the 24 I saw with you today at the Washington Boat Show!!!

But as many have said, My boat is perfection for what I do out there in the Potomac and creeks and Bays although I'm always looking as you well know....Maybe when the Verado's come out I'll look at this picture more carefully...

For now...All I want is warm weather so "Das Boat"(my Nantucket, can ride again, Hurry Spring!!!

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