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T-top and riggers on 23 OR
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posted 02-14-2005 05:06 PM ET (US)
Getting a custom top built for my '99 23 OR. I am leaning towards T-top mounted Lee's sidewinders with the quick lay down feature and the 16 foot extra strong poles. Any comments on these will be appreciated.
Also any input / advise on the T-top would be most welcome.
posted 02-14-2005 06:40 PM ET (US)
Will you also have the ability to swivel the outriggers and lock them in place via a level located below the t top?
I've hit my head on the factory t-top when stepping up on the bow platform. This happens when I step on the extension of the bow platform where the rod/cup holders are located. I've really clock myself a couple of times. So be aware of how far forward and where the vertical plane of T-top terminates.
One other thing that I would like, the ability to mount a vertical fly rod rod holder on the port side of the CC. To do this there would need to be holes in the canvas directly above the rod holder. I've seen new t-tops that have holes in the canvas to accommodate this. When not being used the holes are covered with a piece of canvas secured with Velcro.
Hope this helps.
posted 02-14-2005 06:42 PM ET (US)
Nick, make sure the fabricator has a copy of the wood locating diagram for your boat. The feet of the t-top should be on the reinforced sections of the deck.
posted 02-14-2005 07:45 PM ET (US)
I have a 99 23 Outrage with factory T-Top. Unfortunately I've only gotten to take it for a 40 minute test ride so far. I purchased the boat in late November, so it's waiting for Spring. If you wouldn't mind, let me know how you make out with the outriggers, I am also thinking along those lines, but haven't even began to see what's out there yet.
posted 02-14-2005 09:32 PM ET (US)
great advise. Thank you. Where could one get the wood locating diagram?
posted 02-14-2005 09:47 PM ET (US)
yes, the sidewinders deploy through levers below the top. They also lay flat for running and trailering.
Thanks for the advise on the front of the T-top. I am rather tall (6'3") and I anchor a lot, so I can see that coming off the raised deck can be bad! I'll try to not extend the top forward too far.
I don't fly fish, but have seen the velcro slits on tops for the rod tips. I would assume that it is a rather easy mod for a good canvas person. I would like some rod holders on the port side of the console. Do you think there's enough room there?
posted 02-14-2005 10:16 PM ET (US)
When I purchased my 1997 21 Outrage used it was with the original owners packet that came with the boat new. Not in the boat manual, it is a schematic of the boat that shows all reinforced areas.
If you don't have that, contact Boston Whaler, I am sure they would be happy to supply one to you.
I wish that the outfit that fabricated the top when the boat was sold new had looked at it. I had to do alot of work last spring to "re-secure" the t-top. The feet sat too far away from the console. The feet sat mostly on the balsa core deck instead of the reinforced section of the deck. Screwing the feet into the balsa core deck is worthless, even if the t-top is secured to the console. The feet will work the screws.
I have been considering outriggers for my t-top too. Interested in what you come up with.
posted 02-14-2005 10:26 PM ET (US)
Forgot to mention, be careful getting on the boat if you access from a finger pier or floating dock on the side of the boat.
I have hit my head more than once on the back of the top stepping on the gunwhale first then down into the boat. Takes a little getting used to, especially if you are used to not having one.
If you do alot of casting while fishing you will need to get used to it. The t-top can get in the way.
The comfort in the cold, sun and wind is great. Great place to get out of the sun in the summer and out of the wind in the late fall. A good enclosure with the t-top will get you out of the weather nicely.
posted 02-14-2005 10:35 PM ET (US)
"Is there enough room?"
Yes and no, when it comes to the factory t-top. The factory t-top has a support that runs just above the height of the door, into the center console, on both the port and starboard side. This support runs horizontally,more or less parallel with the deck, this would make mounting a vertical rod holder on the port side difficult. However, if you are having a t-top made it might be feasible. That said, there is plenty of regular rod storage on our 23'(25 rod holders) so I'm not sure I would bother adding any additional regular rod storage.
I'm not sure if BW made all t-tops the same and just added Outriggers on some or if there are 2 different t-tops.
A 5 second inspection will tell if your boat is ready for outriggers with no modifications. Just look at the rear t-top supports. If there is an additional 1/2 U shaped piece of metal pipe welded to the rear supports starting about head high and going up towards the canvas and the canvas has a hole above each of those 1/2 shaped U pipes, your T-top can have outriggers installed very easily. I can send you a picture of what I'm trying to explain, if it helps.
posted 02-15-2005 03:44 PM ET (US)
You can get the wood locating diagram on the official boston site under "my whaler".
posted 02-15-2005 11:39 PM ET (US)
thanks for your help. Can you be more specific as to where on the BW site the diagrams are? I looked under my whaler FAQ and archives and was unable to locate them.
posted 02-16-2005 01:54 AM ET (US)
assaf, I went to get the wood locating diagram on the official boston site under "my whaler" and could not find it. Can you guide me to correct link?
posted 02-16-2005 08:27 PM ET (US)
I have a copy of the wood locating diagram in front
of me right now all I need is a fax number and I'll
send it out to whomever needs it.
I also like the setup Kingfish has for a kicker.
posted 02-16-2005 09:23 PM ET (US)
OK everyone, BW info led me to the correct place for the diagrams:
posted 02-16-2005 10:14 PM ET (US)
Thanks, I found it.
BTW, what exactly is phenolic material?
posted 02-16-2005 11:03 PM ET (US)
A thread on Whalerboard.
posted 02-17-2005 09:13 AM ET (US)
Phenolic material is a laminated material made with paper or cloth laminates that are impregnated with phenols, usually melamine. Phenols are a thermosetting resins, first developed in 1909 and in extensive industrial use afterwards. (Epoxy is a more recently developed thermosetting resin.)
Phenolic board has good strength, is easily machined, and typically has excellent electrical insulating properties, particularly even when wet. It can be easily cut, drilled, tapped, etc., and is usually impervious to water.
It has been used extensively in electrical products, and also is often used in boat building as a backing material for threaded fasteners.
What is a "23 OR"?
posted 02-17-2005 10:32 AM ET (US)
A "23 OR" is a 22 foot, 7 inch Boston Whaler Outrage center console boat.
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