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SeaBiscuit posted 02-14-2005 05:06 PM ET (US)   Profile for SeaBiscuit   Send Email to SeaBiscuit  
Getting a custom top built for my '99 23 OR. I am leaning towards T-top mounted Lee's sidewinders with the quick lay down feature and the 16 foot extra strong poles. Any comments on these will be appreciated.
Also any input / advise on the T-top would be most welcome.
Thank you
Nick (SeaBiscuit)
aubv posted 02-14-2005 06:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     

Will you also have the ability to swivel the outriggers and lock them in place via a level located below the t top?

I've hit my head on the factory t-top when stepping up on the bow platform. This happens when I step on the extension of the bow platform where the rod/cup holders are located. I've really clock myself a couple of times. So be aware of how far forward and where the vertical plane of T-top terminates.

One other thing that I would like, the ability to mount a vertical fly rod rod holder on the port side of the CC. To do this there would need to be holes in the canvas directly above the rod holder. I've seen new t-tops that have holes in the canvas to accommodate this. When not being used the holes are covered with a piece of canvas secured with Velcro.

Hope this helps.

rtk posted 02-14-2005 06:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for rtk  Send Email to rtk     
Nick, make sure the fabricator has a copy of the wood locating diagram for your boat. The feet of the t-top should be on the reinforced sections of the deck.


hutchinson01 posted 02-14-2005 07:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for hutchinson01  Send Email to hutchinson01     
I have a 99 23 Outrage with factory T-Top. Unfortunately I've only gotten to take it for a 40 minute test ride so far. I purchased the boat in late November, so it's waiting for Spring. If you wouldn't mind, let me know how you make out with the outriggers, I am also thinking along those lines, but haven't even began to see what's out there yet.
SeaBiscuit posted 02-14-2005 09:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for SeaBiscuit  Send Email to SeaBiscuit     
great advise. Thank you. Where could one get the wood locating diagram?

I'll post here my top & rigger experience.

SeaBiscuit posted 02-14-2005 09:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for SeaBiscuit  Send Email to SeaBiscuit     
yes, the sidewinders deploy through levers below the top. They also lay flat for running and trailering.
Thanks for the advise on the front of the T-top. I am rather tall (6'3") and I anchor a lot, so I can see that coming off the raised deck can be bad! I'll try to not extend the top forward too far.
I don't fly fish, but have seen the velcro slits on tops for the rod tips. I would assume that it is a rather easy mod for a good canvas person. I would like some rod holders on the port side of the console. Do you think there's enough room there?
Thanks again
rtk posted 02-14-2005 10:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for rtk  Send Email to rtk     
When I purchased my 1997 21 Outrage used it was with the original owners packet that came with the boat new. Not in the boat manual, it is a schematic of the boat that shows all reinforced areas.

If you don't have that, contact Boston Whaler, I am sure they would be happy to supply one to you.

I wish that the outfit that fabricated the top when the boat was sold new had looked at it. I had to do alot of work last spring to "re-secure" the t-top. The feet sat too far away from the console. The feet sat mostly on the balsa core deck instead of the reinforced section of the deck. Screwing the feet into the balsa core deck is worthless, even if the t-top is secured to the console. The feet will work the screws.

I have been considering outriggers for my t-top too. Interested in what you come up with.


rtk posted 02-14-2005 10:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for rtk  Send Email to rtk     
Forgot to mention, be careful getting on the boat if you access from a finger pier or floating dock on the side of the boat.

I have hit my head more than once on the back of the top stepping on the gunwhale first then down into the boat. Takes a little getting used to, especially if you are used to not having one.

If you do alot of casting while fishing you will need to get used to it. The t-top can get in the way.

The comfort in the cold, sun and wind is great. Great place to get out of the sun in the summer and out of the wind in the late fall. A good enclosure with the t-top will get you out of the weather nicely.


aubv posted 02-14-2005 10:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     

"Is there enough room?"

Yes and no, when it comes to the factory t-top. The factory t-top has a support that runs just above the height of the door, into the center console, on both the port and starboard side. This support runs horizontally,more or less parallel with the deck, this would make mounting a vertical rod holder on the port side difficult. However, if you are having a t-top made it might be feasible. That said, there is plenty of regular rod storage on our 23'(25 rod holders) so I'm not sure I would bother adding any additional regular rod storage.


I'm not sure if BW made all t-tops the same and just added Outriggers on some or if there are 2 different t-tops.

A 5 second inspection will tell if your boat is ready for outriggers with no modifications. Just look at the rear t-top supports. If there is an additional 1/2 U shaped piece of metal pipe welded to the rear supports starting about head high and going up towards the canvas and the canvas has a hole above each of those 1/2 shaped U pipes, your T-top can have outriggers installed very easily. I can send you a picture of what I'm trying to explain, if it helps.

assaf posted 02-15-2005 03:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for assaf  Send Email to assaf     
You can get the wood locating diagram on the official boston site under "my whaler".
SeaBiscuit posted 02-15-2005 11:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for SeaBiscuit  Send Email to SeaBiscuit     
thanks for your help. Can you be more specific as to where on the BW site the diagrams are? I looked under my whaler FAQ and archives and was unable to locate them.
Thanks again
Perry posted 02-16-2005 01:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
assaf, I went to get the wood locating diagram on the official boston site under "my whaler" and could not find it. Can you guide me to correct link?
Ed Stone posted 02-16-2005 08:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
I have a copy of the wood locating diagram in front
of me right now all I need is a fax number and I'll
send it out to whomever needs it.

I also like the setup Kingfish has for a kicker.
I believe fishing offshore a kicker would give you
that piece of mind that no insurance could match.
It is easy for a salesman or dealer to brag about
the reliability of a single outboard in the comfort
of the airconditioned showroom.

Ed Stone

SeaBiscuit posted 02-16-2005 09:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for SeaBiscuit  Send Email to SeaBiscuit     
OK everyone, BW info led me to the correct place for the diagrams:


Perry posted 02-16-2005 10:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Thanks, I found it.

BTW, what exactly is phenolic material?

Chap posted 02-16-2005 11:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chap  Send Email to Chap     
A thread on Whalerboard.

Have been on a boat with these, seemed clean, durable and useful. Maybe overkill but nice for rod tips.


jimh posted 02-17-2005 09:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Phenolic material is a laminated material made with paper or cloth laminates that are impregnated with phenols, usually melamine. Phenols are a thermosetting resins, first developed in 1909 and in extensive industrial use afterwards. (Epoxy is a more recently developed thermosetting resin.)

Phenolic board has good strength, is easily machined, and typically has excellent electrical insulating properties, particularly even when wet. It can be easily cut, drilled, tapped, etc., and is usually impervious to water.

It has been used extensively in electrical products, and also is often used in boat building as a backing material for threaded fasteners.

What is a "23 OR"?

SeaBiscuit posted 02-17-2005 10:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for SeaBiscuit  Send Email to SeaBiscuit     
A "23 OR" is a 22 foot, 7 inch Boston Whaler Outrage center console boat.

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