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jimmy c posted 02-25-2005 08:45 PM ET (US)   Profile for jimmy c   Send Email to jimmy c  
Need some advise on a personal boat...
1994 Boston Whaler 17 Outrage with 115hp Merc
or
2000 Boston Whaler 18 Outrage with 130hp. Honda
Put the money differance aside, which would you pick.
boat is to be used for inshore fishing,Barnagat Bay, few times a year in Chesapeake Bay, Hudson river....
Like to hear from owners of both pro,s and con,s...
I understand the the 17 Outrage were builtfrom 1990 to 95 and are quite desireable.
Also to my understanding the 2000 18 Outrage were only built for one year ( making it rare) was this because it was a bad design boat?
Thanks
Joe Kriz posted 02-25-2005 08:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
jimmy,

After seeing some photos of the 1999 and 2000 Outrage 18, this boat would be much larger than the Outrage 17 that you are comparing it to.

Here is a list of Outrage 18's which include the 1999 and 2000 model although no one has submitted their numbers for the 2000 model yet.

http://users.sisqtel.net/jkriz/drawings/outrage18-hin.html

Click on the photo link for TomG's Outrage 18. Nice boat.

Not that the Outrage 17 isn't nice but it is much smaller. It depends on what you want out of your boat. Or in it for that matter.

Joe Kriz posted 02-25-2005 08:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
jimmy,

Also see this thread:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/003290.html

PSW posted 02-25-2005 09:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for PSW  Send Email to PSW     
The 18 is a lot more boat and is pretty nice. That 130 is not enough power. Boat needs 200hp or atleast 150.

PSW

fishinchips posted 02-27-2005 10:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for fishinchips  Send Email to fishinchips     
I agree with PSW.
The 18 outrage (1999/2000) model needs to have a 175 hp to run nicely.
She is a heavy boat. She is the biggest 18 whaler ever made.
Just to give you an idea of how big she is, her bow is as big as a (1997)21 foot outrage bow.

A buddy of mine has an 18 outrage (1999). He has a 140 hp suzuki on it. He had to put on a hydro-foil to help it get out of the hole quicker.

RonB posted 02-28-2005 05:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for RonB  Send Email to RonB     
Jimmy,

I have a 2000 18 Outrage ("Courage II") and I owe my numbers to another member here as mentioned above. I have a 135 Opti on the back and although I would not say no to a larger motor I don't feel I have a performance issue with the boat or it's ability to plane. WOT is 41.7mph on GPS at approx. 5400RPM.

I cannot compare it to an older Outrage as I have never had the opportunity to spend time on one. I have owned a 2003 Montauk 170 and I also have fished on a 2003 Nantucket on the Jersey shore.

I purchased the Outrage after owning the Montauk. The Montauk did not fit my usage pattern which involved running 50 miles down the Hudson River, through NY Harbor, under the Verrazano and into Raritan Bay and beyond. I had a couple of scary episodes in the Montauk while fishing around big party boats who throw large wakes necessitating the move to the large Outrage.

The 1999/2000 Outrage was only built for two years and at the time was a very expensive boat for it's size. It's cost may have contributed to it's demise as well as a competing Dauntless and Ventura in that size range.

The boat is heavy as mentioned above, but that weight also contibutes to a very stable and secure ride. Some of the features of the boat that I like include:

A 90 gallon fuel tank, something that I have not seen in a boat this size. I can run all day without making much of a dent in the fuel gauge.

Fixboxes with pumpouts on the starboard and port quarters.

A raw water washdown.

Dual batteries which reside under the console floor.

A leaning post with under seat storage.

A 94 qt cooler.

A fish table.

Eight rod holders in the stern (two on each gunwale, two on the fish table and two on the leaning post).

Four rod holders for storage on the front of the console and two each under the gunwales.

Lockable electronics box.

Under gunwale cockpit lighting.

Tilt and hydraulic steering.

An anchor roller.

The only options I do not have (other than the seating arrangements which could also be a reversible seat or two individual seats) would be the livewell which would located in the starboard quarter, trim tabs and the freshwater washdown.

Given the beam (8' 3") and weight of this boat (2500# not including motor and fuel) I do not think you will find the Older Outrages to ride any smoother or drift any stabler.

When comparing my Outrage to the Nantucket (w/ a 135 Opti), I found the fiahability of the two boats about the same, with a preference to the Nantucket for it's nice livewell and a preference to the Outrage for it's fishboxes and stability.

I thought the Nantucket was quicker out of the hole but pounded a bit more in the slop of the Jersey Coast. Being lighter than the Outrage would explain both these observations, both negative and positive.

The Opti has been bullet proof and I have a little over two hundred hours on it. It has been exclusively serviced by my Whaler dealer.

Only problems with the boat that I've had involve the raw water washdown pump. In the three years that I've had the boat, the pump has become faulty twice. I am on my third Shurflo pump. Should this one break I will definitely switch brands.

My recommendations to you would be to see if you can get a test ride in the Outrage paying particular attention to it's ability to get up and go. I would also think about how you want to tow this beast as when you add it up, the boat with dual axle trailer and full fuel load is approx. 5000lbs.

I have a 2003 quad cab toyota tacoma 4x4 which I use just to tow it to the marina at the beginning of the year and bring it home at the end of the year. Any long range travelling would require a better tow vehicle.

Those are just my thoughts, I have some pics in my profile of the boat ("Courage II"). The one thing my wife insisted I add was a Sun Lounge in the bow which takes up the entire bow area. I usually leave the cushion off and the bow becomes a good casting platform.

Any questions, just ask. The boat fishes well in the waters of which you speak. I have been off Coney Island, Ambrose Channel, Sandy Hook, Romers Shoal, Flynns Knoll, Swinburne and Hoffman Islands, and all around Raritan Bay. She handles the sea very well and is happy to have a couple of big stripers in her fish boxes. Good luck in whatever you choose, either way I believe you will be happy.

Ron

jimmy c posted 02-28-2005 08:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimmy c  Send Email to jimmy c     
RON
thanks for all the great info...
I am actually looking at 3 boats.
1994 17 Outrage with 115 merc.
1997 17.6 Outrage II 150 Evinrude
2000 18 Outrage with 135 Honda
My big problem is going to be able to tow it, I have a 2002 Ford Explorier with 6 cyl. and Independent rear.
From my past expearance with this truck anything over 3000lbs is a bear to tow....with the independent rear it handles like crap...
So it looks like the 2000 18 is out....I am trying to get out of the lease early and get a Pick up truck as I will be doing a lot of towing.
DBOutrage17 posted 03-01-2005 05:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for DBOutrage17  Send Email to DBOutrage17     
Jimmy C-

I have a '96 Outrage 17 II with 150 hp so I'd recommend that option. You can't go wrong with the max rated hp in my opinion. There's one on ebay right now, bids are at $10,000, reserve not met.

I used to have an Explorer and it towed nicely. I never had to tow it very far though but I felt it handled just fine. Right now believe it or not, I'm using a minivan to tow it a couple of blocks to put it in and out at the ramp. Not the ideal situation, but it works.

If you have any questions about the 17II feel free to ask me. I don't have as much technical Boston Whaler knowlege as others here, but I'll be glad to try and help.

Dave

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