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RKBuzzBay posted 02-28-2005 07:27 PM ET (US)   Profile for RKBuzzBay   Send Email to RKBuzzBay  
I currently own an '86 18'Outrage. As way of background, we have moved up over the years starting from a 13', then a Montauk, and now are looking for somethingn over 20'. We do most of our boating in a tidal river and also moor the boat in a marsh flat area that is unaccessible at low tide. 25% of the time though we do look to head across Buzzard's Bay to fish along the Elizabeth Islands. I am quite interested in some feedback regarding the 21' Outrage from the '93 to '98 period. Paying particular attention to how it handles the typical 3-5'chop of the area but also how well this could traverse shallow water with blades scraping the surface. Most of the boats I have seen also are equipped with older 2 strokes. How does this boat track and can it handle an upgrade to a 4 stroke? Would this be a primary recommendation for above useage? Do any other models come to mind. How does this 21 compare to the '80s 22? Thanks again, RKBuzzBay.
phatwhaler posted 02-28-2005 09:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     
Here's my take on the 21' Outrage from the mid 1990's.

1. It has a full transom that will accomodate a twin engine instal. Or a main/kicker combo.

2. I'm pretty sure it's rated for 300 horsepower which by today's standards is pretty cool. The new 210 Outrage by comparison is only rated for 225hp. I have seen these boats occasionally rigged with twin V4 outboards so I'm sure a new four stroke would fit fine. Actually, I think the 21 Outrage is one of the better pre four stroke hulls to repower with a 4stroke.

3. The console on the 21 Outrage has access doors on both sides, a huge electronics box, and a little clear chart cover gimmick. The current 210 Outrage only has console access on one side, no electronics box(you have to cut holes in the console to mount electronics) and no chart cover.

4. If the 21 Outrage is anything like my 20' Outrage from the same period then it probably needs some trim tabs, especially with a heavy four stroke.

5. I'm sure it rides well enough in a 1-2 foot chop. A 3-5 foot chop probably sucks though. 3-5 foot rollers no problem.

6. She ain't no flats boat.

7. I think the 21 has a little more deadrise and is heavier than a 22 so I suppose it would ride better. The 22 probably doesn't porpoise as bad since it's longer and narrower.

8. The prices of the models seem to be coming down, so I think there are deals to be had. My dad almost pulled the trigger on a 1995 with a 225 Johnson that was real clean for $19,000. No trailer or electronics. These boats are easier to find in nice condition than the 22.

I think a clean 21 Outrage with a 250 E-tec on the back would be a sweet package. Better than a 210 Outrage especially.

If your looking for specs check the 21 Justice out on the CGP website.

phatwhaler out.

rtk posted 02-28-2005 10:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for rtk  Send Email to rtk     
I have a 1997 21 Outrage. A great inshore fishing boat.

Draft is fifteen inches, so it is not a great skinny water boat.

Maximum horsepower rating is 300. A 225 horsepower four stroke would power the boat great. I do think it is built to carry a fair amount of weight on the transom, so the new heavy four strokes should not be a problem.

I have a 2003 Mercury 250 EFI. I had a 1997 Mercury 225 carb on it before that. I have not noticed a huge difference between the two motors with regard to boat performance. A nice new 225 or 250 four stroke would be great on this boat. The Mercury Verado 250, The Yamaha 250 and the Suzuki 250 would all be excellent four stroke motors for this boat.

When it does get choppy you need to get the bow down on that boat or it does pound a bit. Trim tabs make a world of difference in the ride.

I have found it to be a nice stable fishing platform. Well built and handles the inshore conditions very well.

Rich

rtk posted 02-28-2005 10:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for rtk  Send Email to rtk     
Sorry for the follow up, but I always forget to mention one of the things I like alot about the boat.

It is a very dry boat, even under windy and choppy conditions. The hull deflects water away very well.

Rich

Perry posted 03-01-2005 12:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
rtk, I'm curious. You say that your 21 Outrage is "a great inshore fishing boat" and it "handles the inshore conditions very well". The Outrage series is designed as an offshore boat. Do you feel your boat lacks offshore performance?
rtk posted 03-01-2005 07:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for rtk  Send Email to rtk     
I guess it depends on the definition of offshore/inshore.

This year was my first full year of owning the boat. I did not get out any further than 5 miles off shore. This season I do plan on heading out to areas in the 25-30 mile range. So I cannot comment on the ability of the boat when used to go offshore (further than 5 miles out?).

The boat carries 119 gallons of fuel, so range will not be a problem. On a real good weather day I think the boat could go beyond the 30 mile range.

Rich

Backlash posted 03-02-2005 02:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Perry,

The 1994-1998 21' Outrages have essentially the same hull as my 1991 21' Walkaround. For some reason the 21' Walkaround is listed as 21' OAL, and the 21' Outrage is listed as 20'9" OAL.

IMO, these hulls are excellent offshore performers. I have routinely gone 25-30 miles offshore (in the keys) and never gave it a second thought. Twice (not alone) I have gone from West Palm Beach to West End on Grand Bahama Island - approximately 60 miles and then another 120 miles to Green Turtle Cay.

Steve

LHG posted 03-02-2005 06:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
I'll be less politically correct. I think the 21 Walkaround, and it's successor 21 Outrage, are the best looking, performing and highest quality post Dougherty boats that Boston Whaler has yet to make.
jeep9221 posted 03-03-2005 04:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for jeep9221    
I have a '93 Outrage 21 with a new '03 225 Yamaha 4 stroke - I was able to purchase the hull (w/ galv. trailer) with a very nice fixed suntop, bait tank, electronics, and full cover for $18,000 (asking price was $26,000 for boat & motor). The Y-225 set me back another $19,000 + $1,500 to install. A big savings over the new O-21, I got Yamaha power, and little things like 120 gal fuel tank, forward anchor locker, and a very heavy duty boat. This boat tracks/handles more like a big boat where the O-18 is more like a skiff.

I stepped up from a 18'Outrage w/ a Y-150 which I purchased new and put on over 1,200 hours. I had a M-16 and O-17 before the O-18. I tried a Dauntless 18 for about 4 months - it did not perform well in the ocean or Lake Tahoe.

I am very happy w/ the O-21, and in most sea conditions it does very well. Running into the wind in very rough/sharp 5 ft chop, into the wind though, it is bad news, any speed and you are airborne, and too slow you take the chop in the mid-ship bottom - so it pounds. Best bet is to tack up wind. I haven't yet tried trim tabs.

The boat seems to handle the 4 stroke nicely, the engine is very quite, and w/ a Y 17 x 3 SS Salt Water Series prop it has good acceleration (skiing) and good speed 45 - 46 MPH. I tried 4 other props before settling on this one.

I regularly run from Dana Point to Catalina, Is. (40 miles offshore) and look forward to camping and diving off the boat. I did the same on the O-18, just not as comfortable.

I miss the ease of trailering and launching the O-18, one of the most versatile Whalers made. I always took the O-18 to Lake Tahoe for use in the summer, and hauling the O-21 the length of California is a lot more effort - so it won't make the trip every year.

If you step up, I would strongly consider the Conquest - the next level of creature comforts. I wish I had the Conquest for the overnights and a 16 - 18 for those day trips near shore off San Diego.

Any questions - jmulvihill@psrs.com to exchange contact info, photos, etc.

rtk posted 03-03-2005 08:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for rtk  Send Email to rtk     
Larry, I agree : ) Thanks for the kind words.

I looked at alot of 21 center consoles, current and used, and this boat impressed me the most. It is a "big" 21. Feels and handles like a much bigger boat. I love the 21 Walkaround too, it really is a great looking boat.

Jeep9221, slap some trim tabs on that baby. With the tabs up, minimum planing speeds are higher, so the boat does have a tendency to launch itself off the top of the waves when running into the seas. Trim the motor all the way down and run the tabs all the way down and you plane at a greatly reduced speed. She will ride alot softer when it kicks up.

LHG posted 03-03-2005 08:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
My experience is that ANY 32' or less outboard boat will launch itself when running fast into a 5' headsea! There is a solution - slow down.
Barry posted 03-03-2005 09:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
Here is a drawing showing the 22 Guardian compared to the 21 Justice. http://members.aol.com/bburtensha/outrage/22vs21.jpg
Barry posted 03-03-2005 09:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
Check out this topic for more info on the 22 vs the 21. http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001783.html
Backlash posted 03-04-2005 07:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
jeep9221,

I agree with Rich - trim tabs will make a world of difference in how your 21 performs.

IMO, all of the deeper "V" post-Dougherty boats will benefit from trim tabs.

Steve

TexasWhaler posted 03-04-2005 10:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for TexasWhaler  Send Email to TexasWhaler     
Great drawing Barry!

Really shows how "beamy" the newer hulls are.

RKBuzzBay posted 03-07-2005 04:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for RKBuzzBay  Send Email to RKBuzzBay     
I want to thank you all for the great feedback date. A few more questions if I may. Where could I get the specs for the '94 Outrage? I am looking for the deadrise at sterm, dry hull weight, and expected weight with engine and half tank of fuel. Also, with engine trimmed up to highest level with prop striking surface what is the expected water depth that you could traverse for a half mile.

Sounds that this boat could be repowered with a four stroke without destroying the balence. Is that correct?

Also, I have a family member that I need to convince about this purchase and they are recommending the new Doug Zurn boat 'Gloucester 20'. Any thoughts, comparisions, or arguments?

Is boats.com one of the more comprehensive used boat listings?

rtk posted 03-07-2005 05:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for rtk  Send Email to rtk     
www.web.archive.org/web/*/http://whaler.com

www.brunswickcgboats.com/default.asp?content=boats&boatid=65

The first link will allow you to look at the specifications of the 1996-1998 boats, non-commercial hull. Not the same year, but the specs should be similar.

The second link is to the current 21 Justice, the same hull as the 1994 21 Outrage. The weight is higher on the commercial hull due to the extra fiberglass used to manufacture the commercial version.

I believe the dry hull weight is around 2,500 pounds. Add the weight of the engine (from manufacturer) and fuel (around 7 lbs per gallon)and you are there. Don't forget all the other things on/in the boat for total weight calculations (batteries, gear, covers, t-tops, etc.)

I don't think I have ever seen a published deadrise at transom for this boat.

As you can see from the 21 Justice specification sheet, max engine weight is listed at 700 lbs. The big four strokes are all in the 600lb plus weight range. jeep9221 is running the Yamaha, maybe he can comment. I have a 2003 Mercury 250EFI that weighs in at around 500lbs, so I don't know how the extra weight effects the boat, if at all.

15" draft, plus the prop & water pickups in the water, I'd say you will need at least two feet of water depth if you are loaded light. I stay out of the skinny water, boat draws to much.

Rich

adaily posted 03-28-2009 10:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for adaily  Send Email to adaily     
I have a 21 Outrage 1987 with a 225 Yamaha 2 cycle OX66. The boat runs quite well accelerates well and will handle a one to two foot chop without much trouble. I've owned the boat for ten years and have not had any issues with it what so ever. I am in fresh water, up north so it has much lighter use than most. The engine is original to the boat and seems like the perfect combination. As a previous poster replied, over three feet and these boats will become air born, just go slow. The large fuel capacity is very comforting. I really have no complaints, the boat looks as nice as when I purchased it. I do have one question. Does anyone know the height as I want to store it in a new dry rack storage facility. It does not have a top. I think I have a bit over eight feet of vertical clearance which I imagine would be enough but thought I would check.

Thanks

adaily posted 03-28-2009 10:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for adaily  Send Email to adaily     
Previous reply should have read 1997 not 1987 Outrage.
gf posted 03-30-2009 02:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for gf  Send Email to gf     

Holy old post, Batman! This thread is from four years ago!

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