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jackswhaler posted 03-12-2005 11:24 PM ET (US)   Profile for jackswhaler   Send Email to jackswhaler  
Hi, I've a new Nantucket on the way and I'm wondering about the placement of the VHF Marine Radio.

The dealer says it can be flush mounted on the right side of the console face, and that will be far enough away from the compass to avoid interference. Is this true, or do I need to look for a place down low by my knees as I've seen mentioned here?

Thanks,
Jack

Yiddil posted 03-12-2005 11:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Sure can...do a look up of "DasBoat and you will see it can be done....lots of ways to skin aWhaler:)
fairdeal2u posted 03-13-2005 12:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for fairdeal2u  Send Email to fairdeal2u     
I just flush mounted as icom 402s. Its a lot closer than what the instructions call for. Its pretty close to the compass.
definetly not three feet away. NO problems so far.

You could always hook it up and move it around to see if it affects your compass before you cut out the hole for the flush mount.

Perry posted 03-13-2005 03:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
I too am awaiting delivery of a 2005 Nantucket and was wondering the same thing. I really don't want to cut out a section of the console. I was thinking about mounting it on top, in front of the windshield on the right side but am not sure if there is enough room up there. It is also a little closer to the compass than I'd like.
Sal A posted 03-13-2005 05:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
http://hometown.aol.com/sarnuk/SalsWhaler.html

Look at the third picture down on the right to see how I had my electronics installed. I have had no interference issues.

Chuck Tribolet posted 03-13-2005 08:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
You don't even need to hook it up to check affect on the
compass. The problem is the permanent magnet on the
speaker.

Also, check out the new Standard Horizon Phantoms. You put
the main radio box anywhere because the controls are all
on the mike. But be sure to check out what they can do with
an extension speaker. That's a bit unclear.


Chuck

jackswhaler posted 03-13-2005 09:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for jackswhaler  Send Email to jackswhaler     
Thanks for all the responses, especially for the pictures from Sal A. It looks like I'll be safe but I will check it out before mounting.

How about the mounting of the antenna? I can't see it in the pictures and I might have an issue with that also. Because the bimini top covers all but the front foot of the console, I'm wondering what others have done to mount their antenna? It's an 8 foot ant. and I'm thinking of mounting it on the right front of the console on a large enough bracket to cause the antenna to stand a few more inches forward and hopefully clear the bimini. The issue then would be laying it down if I want to use a full cover at any time. It can hinge forward, but would likely overhang the bow.

Any advice on this?

Jack

Sal A posted 03-14-2005 09:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
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Sal A posted 03-14-2005 09:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Ignore this post, as it was meant as a reply to jimh's topic, RY.
jimh posted 03-14-2005 09:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I tend to argue against cutting large holes in the console for flush mounting of devices like a VHF Marine Radio transceiver. However, on some of the newer console designs from Boston Whaler there is not really much choice.

The radio will probably have a fairly long life time, but if you have to replace it, there will be a large hole in the console and no guarantee that the next radio will fit that opening. Also, cutting the hole for a flush mount is much more difficult than drilling a couple of pilot holes for two screws to fasten a bracket for the radio. Once mounted, the radio is quite a permanent part of the console, so it will spend the rest of its life out in the weather--sun, rain, sleet, snow, etc. My radio is spending the winter in the closet of a warm dry house, not out in the freezing cold and snow. I think avoiding the environment will result in a longer lasting radio.

And, as noted above, mounting the radio near the compass will cause compass error. Not only is there metal in the radio, but there is a strong magnet in the loudspeaker.

If you do mount the radio lower, it will be flush with the console surface and you will have a great deal of difficulty seeing the instrument panel of the radio. In the older design the radio could be mounted in the lower shelf and angled upward. When you looked down to see the radio, it was pointing up at you. I do recognize that the current marine radios have much more information to tell you on their front panels, and therefore you probably want to be able to get a good look at them. The old radios probably just told you the channel number; these new ones tell you your horoscope and much other data.

With the design of the console on the 190 NANTUCKET there is no opening to an internal shelf. I think one of the reasons for that is the location of the electrical panel; it is right where the opening and shelf would best be located.

If you compare this style of console with the classic console in the MONTAUK, you will find that there is much less useful space in the console for "stuff" that you bring on board when using the boat. The older console has a much larger flat top. That is a great place to set down "stuff" you want to have handy yet keep out of the wind. Things like a folded chart, your gloves, a baseball cap, your camera, etc., can all get tossed up on the flat shelf on the top of the console. In fact, having some electronics mounted up there like a SONAR creates little niches to hide thing behind. Also, the older console has a big opening to an internal shelf, and you can put all sorts of "stuff" in there, like your wife's purse, a bag of potato chips, a sweat shirt, etc. You can also lock the console when you are away.

In aesthetic terms, I think it is difficult to design a pleasant arrangement of electronic devices on these big flat console sloping panels. Generally the radio or the GPS or the SONAR will all have different shapes and sizes. When you see the usual layout that results when all are flush mounted it is not particularly pleasing to the eye. It may be functional as all heck, but it is not an award winner in the design department. Also, as seen on Sal's boat, the color of the bezels of the devices will probably contrast quite a bit, and because they are flush mounted, this causes more aesthetic interference.

And, while I am on this aesthetic rant, I do wonder why the unusual curved shape was given to the instrument panel on the 190 NANTUCKET. The elliptical shape of the panel seems to clash with the otherwise rectangular space of the console.

In summary, on the 190 NANTUCKET I think you are stuck with flush mounting the radio into the face of the console. I think I would put it a little lower than Sal did, but then you would have a real aesthetic clash between this rectangular radio and the curving instrument panel. Lower would be better for less magnetic interference. Mounting below the throttle controls would make it more difficult to see the radio display. Also, for best sound, the speaker needs to be in front of you and close to eye (ear) level. I guess the right top corner turns out to be the best place.

The antenna is too close to the radio in Sal's installation. Most manufacturers warn to mount the antenna several feet from the radio to avoid problems with the 25-watts of radio frequency energy from the antenna getting back into the radio and causing problems. The whip is also a hazard when the antenna is mounted so low.

JoJo posted 03-14-2005 02:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoJo  Send Email to JoJo     
Gentlemen/Ladies:

Literally standing inside at the boatyard configuring electroncs and radio for the 2005 Nantucket....this thread has been a godsend of information...thanks to all. JoJo

Perry posted 03-14-2005 07:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
I agree with JoJo, lots of good info in this thread. jimh's response about the unusual curved shape of the instrument panel on the 190 NANTUCKET hit the nail on the head. I may just put my VHF in an electronic box in the custom t-top I am going to have made. I wonder why the console was designed with so little useful flat space to put things?
Sal A posted 03-14-2005 08:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
jimh,

Why is the whip a hazard mounted as I have it? I am curious to know why . Where would you mount it? I might surprise myself and try to be handy and alter it. Thanks for your expertise.

Sal

jimh posted 03-14-2005 08:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Re: Sal's antenna mounting.

The metal whip could be a hazard:

--if you touch it while transmitting (RF burn)
--if it pokes you in the eye (trauma) while whipping about due to boat movement
--if exposure to RF energy from it causes damage to human tissue (heating or eye)

The most important determinant in radio range is antenna height, so mounting to the console is not a good location for optimum range.

The proximity of the antenna to the radio and other electronics invites interference.

Yiddil posted 03-14-2005 10:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Hmmm. I have my wip entenna mounted to the upper right front on the console and it folds down when not in use right beside the cooler corner on the right, and helps with a neat fit for the CC cover...Its way High there and works just fine. I have the 502 Icom and its a nice set up. Originally, I wasn't pleased were it went, but now I'm glad its there instead of hung on the rail Sal...see Kamie's site and you will see what I mean>>.Works fine with it on the front of the CC and the radio on the steering face of the CC...Not a hazard and high enough wioth the 3-4 whip to give you the range you need ...:)
jackswhaler posted 03-16-2005 09:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for jackswhaler  Send Email to jackswhaler     
I'll be using the boat to fish the Delaware Bay and near coastal waters. A friend has advised against a whip antenna as not having enough range and strongly recommends an 8 ft fiberglass. From jimh's aesthetic point of view, this seems like it might be a white elephant attached to the console. Can this be attached to the rail on a Nantucket? What is the range of the whip in comparison?

Jack

Bulldog posted 03-16-2005 03:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bulldog  Send Email to Bulldog     
The radio inside the console with all controls on mike as Chuck had stated sounds cool. Most guys with center consoles love that they can walk around unobstructed a 8' antenna on the gunnel might annoy you, perhaps you should go with a whip antenns on the console railing for now, you can always drill holes somewhere and mount that 8 footer later. I have a four foot Shakesphere galaxy antenna, on my Revenge, I like the thicker antenna better, it doesn't whip around and when travliing down road it is stiff enough that it stores horizontal and doesn't even touch anything on boat, and if I felt the need to raise it , I would go with an extension of a foot or so.
I'll be out at the Coral beds for black drum and the rips, at the 8 bouys for stripers, in the Delaware Bay. Bulldog will be written on side of my boat, if you see me give a wave! Have fun with the new boat!..........Jack
jackswhaler posted 03-16-2005 04:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for jackswhaler  Send Email to jackswhaler     
Bulldog, the ICOM I'm getting also has the controls on the mike, but I still need to mount the radio where I can read the window and hear the speaker.

That 4 ft antenna sounds interesting. How's the reception and where do you have it mounted?

I'll definitely look for you on the bay. You'll recognize me by the biggest grin you ever saw cause I'll be in the boat I've wanted for the past 30 years!

Bulldog posted 03-16-2005 04:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bulldog  Send Email to Bulldog     
I have a 20' Revenge model with cabin, the antenna is mounted actually about 8 inches above gunnel height on the side of the cabin. Reception? The Revenge is a new to me boat also, and I'm sure that I will have sunburned teeth also! I have had three other boats the first 17' had a low freeboard and an 8' antenna, the next one a 24' cabin had a 4' antenna and the first Whaler of my life 17' Newport had a 4' footer on the console. All antenna were shaksphere and I never had any problems with reception on any boat. Galaxy antennas are expensive, and I think that quality of the antenna is almost as important as the height. You really have to probably wait until you have the boat to see how the bimini clears the console and stuff like that. The four foot antenna are heavy duty and I would only use a stainless mount with them. There was a posting in the last year or so about a great stainless whip antenna, you could do a search on that , they were a top quality antenna and it sounded like a lot of guys here were using them. Putting the antenna on the gunnel might require running a long way through tunnel and then back up the side unless you want to run the wire across the walkway. You should take your boat to the Chestertown tea party in May, might be fun!..............Jack
jackswhaler posted 03-16-2005 06:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for jackswhaler  Send Email to jackswhaler     
Thanks, that 4ft Galaxy mounted near the top of the console sounds like the way to go. If I put it on the heavy duty Shakespeare bracket mounted to the front of the console, I should have no problem clearing the bimini and it will fold down nicely to cover the boat.

The Tea Party does sound like fun. I'll check it out but I have a business trip to Asia that may interfere. You know, work is for people who don't fish.. and for those that buy expensive boats!

Boboe posted 03-18-2005 07:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Boboe  Send Email to Boboe     
My dealer recommended the ICOM 302 with a built in antena. Not sure about reception as I have yet to try it.
jackswhaler posted 03-18-2005 09:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for jackswhaler  Send Email to jackswhaler     
I believe that dealers will often recommend the easiest solution to work around a problem without regard for how the boat might be used. I would explain my intended usage and challenge them to gaurantee that it will work. Any reputable dealer will give you a straight answer. In your case, Boboe, you can probably add an external later if you find it's not enough range. But, I would be sure of that.

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