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Trailer guide mounting
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posted 03-25-2005 08:58 AM ET (US)
Well tomorrow is the big day. I'm going to get my 170 and then hopefully Sunday, have my first flouder outing.
I bought the PVC Trailer guides (the 4 ft. long versions) and I an just curious what the rule is for mounting them. How much distance from the rubrail to the guide do you give when you install them?
Also, is there a specific point on the trailer where they go. Is the furthermost position the best(as close to the back of the trailer as possible)?
Any help will be very much appreciated.
posted 03-25-2005 10:51 AM ET (US)
For fit, I would give them an 2" to 3" from gunnel. Tight is good. You may end up playing with it to suit your needs.
I recommend mounting them aft of the wheels but not at the edge of the trailer. Say halfway back. See this page for a 170 loading.
Hope this helps.
posted 03-25-2005 10:54 AM ET (US)
On that photo page, scroll way down to extras, there is a great shot of the stern with the guides on it.
posted 03-25-2005 12:09 PM ET (US)
That is the old trailer that came with the Montauk. I have tried several brands on my 2004 trailer, and they don't go far enough in to the rubrail to do any good. I went with the carpeted bunks. I also am looking at another type of uprights. They are made by Hull Sav'r. Bass pro has them. It looks like they have some horizontal adjustment to get nice and close to the rubrail using the new style trailer. Just my experience and waste-age of money. (Don't know if that is a word but it fits).
posted 03-25-2005 12:57 PM ET (US)
One thing learned the hard way years ago; if you mount them real tight to the rub rail, they will bounce against it. The movement could do to your rub rail what it did to mine; rubbed a big notch in the rubber on an Aquasport on a long trailer trip home.
Trailer guides are, however, one of the world's great simple things. Couldn't live without them. I have put 3M Scotchbrite white reflective tape around the top of the PVC pipe for increased visibility at night on the road.
posted 03-25-2005 03:32 PM ET (US)
I've got an inch or less clearance between each guide and my
montauk. I did have to play some games to get them that close.
There are a couple of fender washers between the guide and the
the trailer frame on the inside, which tips then towards the
boat. And I may have heated the guides with heat gun and
bent them a touch.
posted 03-25-2005 06:00 PM ET (US)
I set the guides as far aft on the trailer as possible.
Usually with a hull like a Boston Whaler the maximum beam will also be the beam at the transom. I set the guides to be touching the rub rail.
The guides help significantly in loading the boat on the trailer if there is a cross wind or cross current.
If the guides impede launching at all, move them out very slightly.
posted 03-25-2005 08:32 PM ET (US)
Have you considered the non-PVC style roller guides, specifically the ones I have?
These work for me very well with the exception of the black rollers which can leave marks when I haul out in snotty conditions. I will be replacing the black rollers with Stoltz when the snow melts enough to get to the boat.
P.S. Hamiltonmarine.com has the best price on these I have seen.
posted 03-25-2005 08:35 PM ET (US)
I'd guess you won't be getting much sleep tonight. Best of luck with the new boat.
When I purchased a new trailer that came with guides. I had to install them. The hardware was in place, on the last cross member towards the rear of the trailer. I asked what was the correct way to install the guides and was told "they should be about the width of your finger away from the rub rail". That is where they are located and I have never had to adjust them.
They are immensely helpful when loading a boat on a trailer, especially when solo.
posted 03-25-2005 08:51 PM ET (US)
I will install them tomorrow when I get the boat home.
I am very anxious and nervous. Sleep won't be easy tonight. I am like a kid on Christmas Eve waiting to open his presents....except, I'm Jewish and we didn't do that...bad analogy. LOL.
Thanks for all the help on this and I will keep you all posted on my trials and tribulations with regards to my delivery.
All the best,
posted 03-25-2005 09:42 PM ET (US)
Tonight might be a good night for a nightcap or three.
Best of luck tomorrow. Hopefully you won't have trials and tribulations to report.
posted 03-25-2005 10:07 PM ET (US)
Sounds like a plan. Best advice i have gotten sine joining this forum....Just Kidding everyone.
posted 03-26-2005 02:40 AM ET (US)
Sweet dreams and happy morning, Alan :)
Just for background:
You may have already told us, but I forgot. I just want context for the report I'm hoping to read tomorrow.
posted 03-26-2005 06:46 AM ET (US)
I have had two other boats...well actually they were my dads. A 1988 21 ft bayliner...(won't go there) and a 1980 19 ft renken. I took them out occassionally (when they weren't in the shop).
This is MY first boat and ever since I was on my friends 78 montauk, it has been the boat of choice.
I know there are larger, less expensive boats that have more features and are not as utilitarian but you either love a whaler or hate one. I happen to love the look and versatility and forgivingness of the montauk. It will be a learning boat and considering the quickness of how channels in the great south bay (Long Island)get shallow fast, this boat is perfect for me.
So...I am wide away, no sleep and wired. Thanks for your interest. Just 6 more hours.
All the best,
P.S. Think I could be the 170 poster boy? A 41 year old man child?
posted 03-26-2005 07:40 AM ET (US)
A viewpoint from side of the fence..I bought a West Marine set from my dealer when I took delivery of my '05 and now find that I could have very easily gone without them and saved the money. Even all the way in, they don't come close enough to the boat to make a difference. I launch and retrieve about half the time solo and really have never needed them to asist me with getting a light boat like the 170 on the trailer properly. It has made no difference if the wind was blowing hard or not. Once my present trailer lights go out, I will remove the carpeted guide boards and use the remaining posts to mount my lights up where they will stay dry.
posted 03-26-2005 06:39 PM ET (US)
I too purchased the carpeted bunks from West Marine and found that even adjusted all the way in, they don't come close enough to the boat to make a difference. I added blocks to the back of the carpeted 2X4's and it brought them in so they almost touched the hull. It helps when retreiving at one of the ramps I use where there can be waves and strong wind.
good luck with the new boat!
posted 03-26-2005 08:16 PM ET (US)
Best of luck with the new 170.
I have the 4' PVC guide ons and they are set pretty close to the the rub rail, less than 1 inch gap on each side I would guess. They will flex some when retrieving and they are very helpful in centering the boat on the trailer, expecially with windy conditions. The other major benefit is when backing the empty trailer down the ramp you can easily see its position. Don't worry about having the boat perfectly centered when you pull it out. A few bumps down the road the boat will center itself on the trailer, at least that is my experience.
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