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|Author||Topic: 205 Eastport|
posted 03-25-2005 06:58 PM ET (US)
Seems to be a lot of interest in this new boat and rightly so as it fits into a neat category between the small boats and the barely trailerables. I will go and see this boat maybe this weekend if it rains but I do with some trepidation. I understand price points and the difference between nice boats and price boats, but I am wondering what BW took out of this boat to meet this price point. I had always thought that BW by definition, would not compromise anything in terms of sea worthiness, fit and finish and later on trade-in value, when designing a boat. But here is a boat 10-14K below where it would normally fall in the lineup vis-a-vis a GW. So I wonder what their thinking was when they decided to offer this and should I now adjust my expectation level down a bit when I go to see this thing.
And for the record I am expecting a price much closer to 50K and possibly over, than 40k just because regardless of what the magazine tests say, they start at the top and work their way down as the dealer will determine what the boat they have on the floor equipped the way they have it will cost.
posted 03-25-2005 08:08 PM ET (US)
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posted 03-25-2005 08:29 PM ET (US)
I think that when you are finished specifying what you want on this boat in terms of options, you'll be closer to that $50K mark.
It's a nice boat.
posted 03-25-2005 11:18 PM ET (US)
I think the 205 EASTPORT is an example of a boat built for a particular market and user. Going back to the old days and old ways, Boston Whaler used to build very similar boats across their model name designators, but they'd make them in three or four sizes. They'd make the OUTRAGE's, and they were really all the same boat, just in different sizes. There was the 17, the 18, the 20, the 22, the 25 foot models. Each a different length, but each model was the same, just scaled up and down in size as appropriate.
In 2005 we have the new days and the new ways, and that seems to be that each model is a little different. Each is built for a particular purpose or use. If you look at the 205 EASTPORT in the context of a 235 CONQUEST, you won't find they are very similar. The CONQUEST's are all intended to be used for over night cruising and some fishing. The 205 EASTPORT was designed mainly as a boat for fishing, with perhaps someone snoozing off in the cabin once in a while. As a result, you have a boat with a really nice cockpit but a rather diminutive cabin. I think that Whaler's research showed there was a market for a 20-foot boat with a good cockpit for fishing, but not many people were going to overnight in it. Yet they wanted a cabin to slow gear and provide a place to get out of the weather. The 205 EASTPORT does that.
posted 03-25-2005 11:31 PM ET (US)
Oops--lost my train of thought!
What I meant to say was that in the new Whaler line up you have all sorts of different boats, not just SPORTS, OUTRAGES, and REVENGES in 3-4 different sizes. The EASTPORT is really a new model, a different boat than anything that came before.
Yes, there used to be a 20-foot cabin boat, the REVENGE 20 WT, but it was bigger on cabin and smaller on cockpit than the EASTPORT. The EASTPORT has the cabin/cockpit ratio of an old REVENGE 25 CUDDY--lots of cockpit compared to the cabin space.
There seems to be some resistance to a new model Whaler. A lot of people want their old OUTRAGE's back. They don't like the DUANTLESS for example, because they look at it in terms of a classic OUTRAGE. Well, it is not supposed to be a replacement for a classic OUTRAGE, it's a boat designed for a different purpose.
I think Whaler has 17 different boats in the catalogue now, and in many cases these models are really different boats, not the same boat in a different size. And that is what the 205 EASTPORT is, a new model of Whaler.
I am sure that Whaler didn't go to the trouble of designing and building this boat without already knowing there were people in the marking looking for a boat like this. Now, it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but there are fishermen who want a good, unsinkable, quality boat they can fish from. There are fishermen who want a boat they can travel with on the highway and not need a $45,000 diesel truck to pull it. And there are fishermen who don't have $85,000 to spend on a boat.
For me, I don't fish; I cruise and sleep aboard. So a 205 EASTPORT is not in my sights. But if I fished...
posted 03-26-2005 12:38 AM ET (US)
Well from your reply my take is that the Eastport is ALL whaler in construction and the affordability index comes merely from its size and perhaps BW's desire to jumpstart a new model into this price range. This models appears to be the smallest cuddy they have offered in a while. Its appeal for me is that it provides cover for cold weather fishing and space for mama which the CC's do not, in a boat that is plenty big for me.
posted 03-26-2005 09:11 AM ET (US)
Well, I just purchased an Eastport 205 with the Opti 150 ( 5-year warranty included )and trailer for an out the door price of 47K ( including tax ). The boat did not come with electronics or canvas.
As far as the boat is concerned, I believe it to be a nice compromise between a fishing platform and a boat my family will enjoy. The boat is well designed and is all Whaler. I fished for many years from a Revenge 22, and the cockpit space in the Eastport is about the same. This is due to the beam difference between the Revenge ( 7 ft 5 inches ) and the Eastport ( 8 ft 4 inches).
The boat is well finished and fits my projected usage requirements perfectly.
posted 03-26-2005 03:32 PM ET (US)
I am in the market for an Eastport. I saw it at the Miami Boat Show and I loved it. I did blow it buy not laying down in the cabin. Do you think two adults could overnight
posted 03-26-2005 06:30 PM ET (US)
I purchased the boat about a month ago. I live outside of Chicago and the weather has been a bit cold. I have not splashed it as of yet,so I can't comment on the performance with the Opti 150. I would use the engine performance tests published by Whaler to get an idea of expected results -- that is what I used. In my opinion, I would not go any lower than 150, probably the 175 or 200 is the way to go.
As far as the cuddy is concerned,it is very well finished and should be fine for two adults. My wife plans on overnighting in the cuddy with my two kids while I utilize the cockpit. I am having a custom cockpit canvas made to accomodate overnite usage.
Oh, by the way, I purchased the optional V-berth filler -- that helps alot.
I will be boating out of Reefpoint Marina on Lake Michigan.
posted 03-27-2005 12:26 AM ET (US)
Thks for the info and best of luck with your boat, pls let me know once you splash it. I'm trying to work out the financial part so I can come up with about $48,500 plus another 3 to 4 grand to outfit her. I have a 98 Montauk
posted 03-30-2005 12:52 AM ET (US)
After spending an hour or so at the "local" dealer (65 miles away), I know just about everything I need to know about the 205 Eastport. Almost needless to say it is impressive and very solid, capable boat. I have to say though that the dealer is taking some big liberties with their stock. This has nothing to do with the Whaler but as an aside I was really almost shocked at how the dealer chooses to display his stock. The boat I saw was not in presentable shape in my view, for a new boat. It had grime everywhere and although the gelcoat is durable, I imagine at some point the upholstery and all other surfaces of unsold boats is somewhat less than as delivered when stored uncovered outside.
Makes me wonder what other liberties they may take with their stock and customers boats as well. The place is obviously doing well as the backlot was literally littered with Whalers of all sizes, some still in shrink wrap if thats any indication.
Just a little disappointed in the experience.
posted 03-30-2005 07:17 PM ET (US)
What dealer were you visiting to see the boat? It looks like you are in california.
posted 03-30-2005 08:16 PM ET (US)
Yes I am in the bay area, so for those of you in the know its the dealer in San Leandro area. Names have been withheld to protect the innocent. I bought my dauntless in 97 from the dealer in Alameda which seems to have either been bought out or merged with this new(r) one.
posted 04-03-2005 03:01 PM ET (US)
The Alameda dealer was Outboard Motor Shop, now Outboard Motor
Shop / Sea-Power Marine in Oakland. Is there now another
dealer in the bay area?
posted 04-04-2005 09:04 PM ET (US)
Thats the one I was referring to. Although for a short period of time a couple of years ago we had one in Santa Rosa. The companion line by Campion that Sea power carries is a nice compliment to the Whaler line too. They come in under the whalers on a case by case basis and have undeniable appeal. Its hard to find many opinions on them.
posted 04-12-2005 05:25 PM ET (US)
Just wondering about the ride on a boat that is 20' long and nearly 8 1/2' wide... I had a Whaler 21' walkaround that I loved dearly, except for the painful pounding in a 2-3' lake chop. Sitting well forward in the boat doesn't help either.
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