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montaukman posted 04-04-2005 10:21 PM ET (US)   Profile for montaukman   Send Email to montaukman  
Hi all,

Well had her out today for the first time. Couldn't open her up since it was soooo choppy and my daughter was not happy.

I didn't fall into the catagory of the funny launcher. I was able to launch her pretty easily. Made three attempts at the ramp to line it it on the third try. Basically a 15 minute process before i was underway.

Retrieving her was easier. I powered onto he trailer and just pulled her up via the crank. Was very easy and those guides I installed helped tremendously as the wind was terrible. Didn't realize how much wind affects a boat.

Also have to supply thanks to everyon eon this list. I read al the launching and retrieving posts and they helped me so much. I would have been lost without. My daughter was shocked that iwas so efficient in my methods and it was a seamless launch.

Had a great time and my daughter is slowly warmng up to this boat. It is still "tippy" to her but she liked it never the less.

Can't wait to get out there aga in in calm water and see what she can do.

Hada few concerns and questions though.

Unfortunately today i ran aground. Low tide and me unfamuiliar with the area where it was launched. I got out of it but the alarm went off in the console for about 5 minutes. I cleared myself, saw i had a flow shooting out of the back of the mercury 90 and then moved on. I assume that the alarm was an overheat warning. She ran ok after I got free and I flushed her with the water muffs and a hose to clear out any sediment that may have made it's way in.

Should I be concerned about the alarm? could i have caused damage?

Also, I noticed that the steering is slightly loose. It turns freely very very slightly for maybe a degree or two. after this slight travel i then feel the resistance. This might be normal. I will have the dealer look at it when i bring it in for regular maintanence.

Last thing i noticed, the tach when i ran flushed the engine with a hose ran normally but when i shut down and killed the engine, it showed 800 RPM. It never went to the rest position. I resterted and revved the engine and the tach responded but never went lower than 8-00 RPM and again stayed at 800 whe i shut down. Any ideas?

Thanks and I will let everyone know how she ran when i get her out again this weekend.

Thanks and all the best,


davej14 posted 04-04-2005 10:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
Congratulations on your first successful outing.

I think the "problem" you are experiencing with the Mercury tach is typical. Mine does the same thing when I shut down. I'll bet if you turn the ignition on without starting the motor the tack will "clear" to "0". I find this anoying, but when I inquired about it there were others with the same symptom, so now I just ignore it. This is probably the result of Mercury saving $.02 on the cost of the instrument.

I don't have much to offer you on the engine alarm.

One other comment. Be sure you don't scare your daughter while she is getting used to the boat. It may be better to leave her on shore if the going is rough until she is comfortable. After a "challenging" day on the water with my wife in our sailboat, she never really enjoyed boating again.

MantyMonty posted 04-04-2005 11:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for MantyMonty  Send Email to MantyMonty     
All I can say is, Wow!
dittybag54 posted 04-04-2005 11:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for dittybag54  Send Email to dittybag54     
Agree completely with Dave on all his points, including about giving your daughter a good boat ride.

The tach issue should, indeed, be just the by product of Mercury's tach design. I was also surprised by the -always on- look on the tach but have assumed it's some kind of tach preload for whatever motor one has. No worries anyway.

The steering is probably fine too. Welcome to No-Feedback Steering from Teleflex. On the one hand the slight play in a NFB sustem is annoying at first but the upside of feeling no vibrations or feedback unless actively turning the wheel makes it well worth it. There should be just a little play though, not a great deal of it.

Regardless, for your peace of mind (and in the unlikely case something is amiss) just have the dealer double check it. Pretty sure it's OK. Watch that depth though and try to take your daughter out on a mostly flat water day. She will love it.


montaukman posted 04-05-2005 12:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for montaukman  Send Email to montaukman     
Hi everyone,

Let me say thanks for your help on this. Am very curious about the alarm thing going off. Hopefully more of you can chime in on that.

My dasughter was fine with the outing and can't wait to go again. She is just not a boater as yet and i am going very slowly with her. I don't plan on going out again in the chop but i HAD to go and I couldn't convince her not to go. We barely got past 10 mph.....didnt even attept to plane, just went a little faster than "no wake" speed.

Thanks again,


lin posted 04-05-2005 08:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for lin  Send Email to lin     
Congratulations on your new Montauk-- I have read many of your posts, but I don't remember if you have a 2 stroke Merc or a 4. This is probably one of those wild -ss guesses regarding your alarm, but I have had alarm issues with my 90 HP Evinurude. If it is a 2 stroke and you have an eternal oil tank, sometimes the chop on the water sloshes the oil in the tank. Depending on how full the tank is, the engine identifies a low oil situation and the alarm sounds.

As to running aground, I'm guessing you launched on the south shore. I've logged way too many hours in South Oyster Bay, Great South Bay and Peconic-- running is aground is a right of passage. Before you know it you will know where you can cheat at what tide-- good rule of thumb is to follow a boat with a greater draft the first time in unfamiliar water!!

One other thing regarding the boat being tippy. When I have non-boaters out on my Montauk-- before we leave the dock-- I'll stand on the gunnel to demonstrate the stability of the boat. It may sound dopey, but for folks that may be tense it demonstrates that the boat is stable and alleviates some of their concerns.

dgp posted 04-05-2005 09:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for dgp  Send Email to dgp     
The gage pointer not returning to zero is normal and is the result of the gage manufacturer building into the gage an orientation magnet. Once you turn the key switch to the run position the tach pointer should go to 0. Other gages will respond accordingly.
HuronBob posted 04-05-2005 10:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for HuronBob    
Glad you enjoyed the first trip! Always exciting!!!

I'll agree on the Tach, My 2004 Merc. 40hp 4s does the same thing, and, as mentioned, clears to zero when I turn the key again.

Regarding the overheating alarm. I'm assuming that is what you heard. If you ran it aground it is likely that you clogged the intake. Make sure you've checked the manual as to how to handle an overheating event. Frequently they will either clear themselves or they can be easily cleared by you (weeds, muck, etc). In almost all cases you can limp back at an idle if you can't clear the problem(although the noise of the alarm will drive you nuts). The first step, if possible, is to shut down the engine and let it cool off for a few minutes, then restart, hopefully the alarm will be silent. If it comes back on then you either haven't cleared the clog or there is a pump problem, or the sensor is bad.

Along these lines, be aware that sometimes the sensor is bad and will set off the alarm when the engine isn't actually overheating, if that's the case you'll want the dealer to switch it out. Also, the temp of the water coming out of the telltale on the engine is a good indicator, if you can put your hand in it without burning yourself (use caution here), you're probably not overheating.

a disclaimer...I am NOT a mechanic, this is based on my personal experience.

AQUANUT posted 04-05-2005 10:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for AQUANUT  Send Email to AQUANUT     
have your dealer check the steering cablenut that attaches the steering cable to the tilt tube at the motor.
an nut there is not attached completely will give you the same symptoms at the helm.
this can be a potentionaly dangerous situation if left unaddressed.

I miss my montauk!
aquadawg aka: roguewolfspirit

drmwvr posted 04-05-2005 11:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for drmwvr  Send Email to drmwvr     
How old is your daughter? My 7 and 4 year olds really enjoy being on the water; you just need to take it slow until they get used to the experience.

Clark Roberts posted 04-06-2005 07:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
The overheat alarm is a steady tone whereas the low oil level is a beep-beep-beep. The lack of a tattle tale stream of water is not a positive indication that cooling water is not flowing as the "pee" hole can be clogged but a stream of water is a positive indication that system IS working. If you boat in waters where there is lots to shallow water (mud, sand etc) it is a good idea to install a temp gauge. This will allow you to determine for sure how hot things are. I run a temp gauge on all my boats and water press also on those raised high on jack plates. Temp gauges are easy to hook up (the wire for this is already in the harness of your's the brown wire) and the sensor mounts (screws) into a plugged hole in the power head and thus reads cooling water temp. Some sensors are simply mounted touching the cyl head and thus read cyl. head temp... Happy Whalin'... clark... Spruce Creek Navy
montaukman posted 04-06-2005 09:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for montaukman  Send Email to montaukman     
HI Everyone,

Thanks for all the replies. Haven't been able to get out again since the last time but i expect to be out both days ths weekend.

I am not overly concerned about the overheat alarm since reading all your posts. It flushed fine afetr i had it on the trailer and the alarm went away after 5 mins or so when i was back underway after being stuck.

I am thinking about a temp guage though. might not be a bad idea. I have the room on my console.

Can't wait to get out. All my nieghbors are drooling about my 170. I was in West marine this past weekend and was talking to a customer about boating. He just bought a 32 foot monterey and i was a little insecure about telling him about my new 170. Anyway, i told him and he said that the 170 was what he wanted initially but his wife almost died and he promised her a big cruiser. He has major bucks.....

Everyone I talk with have just two words to say when I tell them about the 170...."nice boat". Makes me feel good.

Anyway, i will keep an eye on the engine and try not to run aground again. thanks again for all your help.


LHG posted 04-06-2005 06:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
As for running aground in the mud, we have a resident expert here who can answer any and all of your questions. He currently goes under the handle of "elaelap", but is also known as "earlap" and "palrea".
Maximus posted 04-06-2005 08:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maximus  Send Email to Maximus     
When you flushed the engine on the trailer, if in a tilted position, you should be shooting a ~10 foot stream of water. This may be an indication of the water pump performance, i.e. injested sand.

As for the tipy feeling...go for a ride in a 17 foot center console from brand x, then have your daughter compare that feeling to the 170.

I've owned my 170 for two seasons now, and I've never noticed the tach position when off.

NFB is the best thing every to happen to the Montauk (old and new). My old 16 footer was downright dangerous prior to installing the NFB 4.2 system

Good luck with the new boat.

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