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hhagan posted 05-05-2005 10:51 PM ET (US)   Profile for hhagan   Send Email to hhagan  
We have had our Nantucket 190 for a year now. It is equipped with a 115 EFI 4-stroke. It is a fine vessel and we enjoy it very much. The one thing I do NOT like is the shift / throttle lever. There is no neutral lock. It is more than a little tricky moving from either forward or reverse to neutral, particularly when docking. I have spoken with the people at Whaler and Mercury. I think it is a safety issue, but have received little in the way of useful advice or offers to fix the problem. Has anyone else had this problem and what have you done to remedy it?
bigjohn1 posted 05-05-2005 11:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1  Send Email to bigjohn1     
If I am not mistaken, the 170 Montauk has the very same
lever mechanism. I have this very same complaint on mine. There has been discussion on this matter in the past which seems to point to correct adjustment of the mechanism in order to minimize this complaint you have. That notwithstanding, I read no magic cure - simply adjustments to minimize it.

I personally feel it is a faulty design as many past Merc controls dating back to the 1960's did not have this issue - at least the ones I have used. Notably, we had a 1965 Fabuglass runabout when I was a kid with a 110 Merc and that Merc mechanism shifted smooth as ever. I think someone mentioned (either here or on the THT forum) that Merc has initiated a recall on these controls. I may have that wrong but that is my memory..anyone know for sure?

hhagan posted 05-06-2005 07:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for hhagan  Send Email to hhagan     
I am not aware of any recall to date. I was able to minimize to problem by careful adjustment of the cable to shift mechanism within the engine itself. There is a detent in the engines shifter mechanism that has to work perfectly with the detent on the console mounted shifter. With this perfectly adjusted, the problem is better, but not eliminated.
Has anyone else heard of an impending recall?
dirk posted 05-06-2005 08:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for dirk    
I have a Montauk 170 and Mercury 90HP 4stroke for a month now. First I've had a problem with the idle speed. We had it to fix it ourselfs as my dealer is 150 miles away from the harbour. I also agree that the neutral position is very difficult to find and may give savety problems when docking. After practising for a while my shifting gets better, but it is not as it should be. In the past I always had OMC-controls, locking when in neutral : this is much saver and far more easier when you have to do manoeuvres. Any solution to this issue concerning MCCcontrols is always welcome.
bigjohn1 posted 05-06-2005 09:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1  Send Email to bigjohn1     
hhagan, more on the supposed recall - I would check the below thread in which a fellow forum member stated there was a safety recall:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/002084.html

I have not checked into this personally but will call my dealer in the morning to ask. I have the same engine as you and suspect that if this recall is valid, it would likewise apply to the 90 4-stroke so many here on the forum own.

bsmotril posted 05-06-2005 09:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for bsmotril  Send Email to bsmotril     
Boat US' member magazine was the source where I read of the recall. It was for the linkage ball joints in the motors, and not the control itself. The reason was excessive friction in the joints causes a safety issue.
BillS
bsmotril posted 05-06-2005 09:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for bsmotril  Send Email to bsmotril     
I was mistaken, and sincerely apologize. I found the recall in the Boat US archives, and it is NOT for the 90-115 four strokes. I'm sorry for the confusion and did not mean to mislead anyone. BillS

http://www.boatamerica.org/recall/recall_0305.htm

hhagan posted 05-06-2005 12:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for hhagan  Send Email to hhagan     
Thanks for everyone's input. If anyone is aware of a shifter/throttle control that can be SUBSTITUTED for the current control unit, I would appreciate hearing about it. I have just sent photos and info on this boat to CETACEA for everyone's study. Hope to see it there at some point in the near future.
erik selis posted 05-06-2005 01:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
I have the 170 Montauk with the same lever mechanism and I don't have any problems with mine. I do however have the 90-hp 2-stroke on my boat. I wonder if this throttle problem is only related to the 4-stroke engines and not the 2-strokes. Anyone else with a 2-stroke Mercury on these boats that also has throttle problems as described in the first post?

Erik

LHG posted 05-09-2005 12:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
I drove a 240 with twin 150 Opti's and the newer Merc control in dual engine form. I found it a beautifully working device, and better than the previous generation controls that I have. It is every bit as good as the Yamaha control. Wait 'til you try out a new DTS control on the Verado or 3.0 liter Opti's. This is future in outboard shifting/control, and really in a class by itself.
bsmotril posted 05-09-2005 03:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for bsmotril  Send Email to bsmotril     
The Quicksilver single lever Binnacle controls I am familiar with are very easy to adjust once the cover is removed. all it takes is a screw driver to tighten the ball detent spring screws to adjust the notchiness of the detent, or the friction of the control. With the cover off, it is pretty obvious what to adjust, and does not require a manual. I don't know if that same style control is used on the new 4S as it was on my 1998 Optis. You might want to remove the cover from it and see if it looks to be easy to adjust for you too. BillS
hhagan posted 05-10-2005 08:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for hhagan  Send Email to hhagan     
I did in fact remove the control cover last fall to study the mechanism. On these controls, there is no detent adjustment at all and I confirmed that with Mercury. The only way to adjust is by makeing sure the adjustment of the shift cable allows the built in detent of the shift lever to match that of the engine itself. It is a little touchy and has to be adjusted perfectly to work right.
hhagan
daveweight posted 05-13-2005 10:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for daveweight  Send Email to daveweight     
We have actually fitted a foot operated throttle and a ProTrim to alleviate this sort of problem on our Mercury 90 2 stroke, this means that the hand lever is used as a gear lever only and have found this works well for us.
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Dave

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