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hhagan posted 05-08-2005 09:32 PM ET (US)
Posted this on the performance forum, bugt thought I would try it here, too.
I have a 2000 Honda 4 stroke 20 inch shaft outboard I would like to use as a back up on my 2004 Nantucket (115 Merc 4 stroke). Has anyone mounted a kicker on a 190 and if so, what position, mounting hardware and steering connecting rod arrangement was used? Has anyone tried or is familiar with the Garelick heavy 4-stroke retractable outboard brackets? Thanks for any help and comments.
hhagan

cougars1 posted 05-08-2005 10:17 PM ET (US)
I mounted a T8 on my Nan 190 on a Garelick (heavy duty bracket /foam handle made for heavier four strokes) ran it two trips and it now hangs on the wall of my boathouse. The Garelick when tightened down with the kicker tilted up in rough water would "bounce". Not being able to stand for this I removed it ASAP.
I designed a welded aluminum fixed bracket powdercoated it white to match the boat, mounted it using same holes as Garelick and have been more than pleased.
I've thought about posting the cadd drawings and some pics of the install so others could benefit.
hwnwhaler posted 05-09-2005 04:18 AM ET (US)
There does'nt seem to be much interest in kickers on our Nantuckets! I have been searching for info on mounting one this last week and found very little, hhagan even posted looking for help on this several months before with no one responding.
I also do not want to use a moveable braket as the water gets a little rough here at times. I already have a Yamaha F6 20" and will try this one out before investing $2500 on a T8 or T9.9.
In the reference section there is a beautiful aluminum bracket John Anderson fabricated for a Classic 15. I have been trying to think this out as it could be applied to our Nantuckets.
Whatever info and pics Cougars1 could put out it would be much appreciated. Any other ideas, anyone??
John
hhagan posted 05-09-2005 10:56 AM ET (US)
Thanks for the input on movable brackets. Everyone seems to nix them for a variety of reasons. I am exploring fixed brackets at the moment and will post what I learn as I go.
HJH
lakeman posted 05-09-2005 11:07 AM ET (US)
Here in Florida, you rarely see Kickers anymore. I had one on my Grady, it was a waste of money and time to keep it going, and I took it off and got a tow service. That being said, If I lived where there was no tow service or ran far offshore, I do mean far like the Bahamas or what is called the middle ground in the gulf I would probably get a kicker again. However a small kicker probably would not help much in those situations a sat phone might be better or buddie boating.
I had the Garelick HD for my 15 2S and it was not easy to use and never used it anyway, and the 2S weighs a lot less than a 4S, I like the idea of a fixed mount and actually looked in to it on the Grady, but how it would fit/access to and keep the motor out of the water when needed was a problem for that boat.
I know this is not a solution but an oppinion of kickers from experience.
Joe Kriz posted 05-09-2005 11:50 AM ET (US)
There are several companies that already make stationary brackets. These have also been discussed before. If you do a search you might find a lot more information.
Here are the ones from Garelick:
http://www.garelick.com/marine/product_catalog_detail.aspx?cat=oma&subcat=smb
Here is one from Tanner:
http://www.tannermfg.com/tannermfg.htm
(scroll down to the middle of th page)
And there are other companies. All of the units can be spaced further to the rear using wood spacers if needed. Dick adapted a solid bracket in this same fashion and looked fantastic on his Montauk.
hwnwhaler posted 05-09-2005 06:05 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the input Lakeman and Joe!
Lakeman, I am relegated to needing a kicker as Hawaii does not have towing insurance available that I know of, so it would be on a case by case pay when you need it ($$ here). I do like to run to Molokai, 30 miles across the channel, so a kicker would be slow but I would at least get home and not pass either island and be gone.
Joe, I spoke to Tanner as their website does not show a Nantucket kicker available and they confirmed they now have one for the Nan at $495 + shipping. That is fine, I don't mind paying for quality, BUT they could not supply me with any mounting locations, or more info... I am not crazy spending $550 on a bracket that may still cause interference for my motor or needs to be lag bolted (can't do that).
The Garelick brackets are fine, but I'm at a loss where to mount them on the Nan. There are cusioned backrests where MantyMonte thru bolted his CMC bracket on his Montauk. Besides I would like to mount the kicker a little closer to the main motor to tie in the steering and center the weight.
I really like the installation Mantymonty did, and his pics and description are first class. Thanks!! For simplicitys sake I would still rather have a stationary mount and pull the motor up myself. But, that CMC looks good - if my 20" motor is long enough, and I could remount the seat foam. ???
Sorry about the long post on what seems a simple subject, but of many ideas bouncing around, none seem just right.
Mahalo, John
hhagan posted 05-09-2005 06:53 PM ET (US)
Cougars1.
Do you have a picture of your mount set up. Do you count on the tilt mechanism on the motor to keep the motor up out of the water when not needed? Interested in how you set this up.
hhagan
cougars1 posted 05-10-2005 01:11 AM ET (US)
Yes I rely on the tilt mechanism of the T8 to keep it up when running my main motor (Optimax 150). I use the kicker for trolling and run it off the tiller handle standing up with the rear quarter seat removed. I also wanted a seat (taller than the rear quarter seat when not removed) so I ordered and mounted a Duantless pedestal chair that is positioned on top of the motor well (I removed the grab handle) and used a stainless steel backer plate for the pedestal mount. I use the pedestal chair for long trolls in relatively flat water for comfort. If I lock the kicker strait forward I can also steer from the helm with the big motor. (just not as responsive). This set up gives me alot of options and works very well for how I fish. I also phoned Tanner and nobody gave me a good answer to the custom locked and solid solution I wanted for my Nantucket. The white powdercoated welded plate bracket I designed is better looking and custoom fit to the Nantucket transom and just the right height with the tiller handle just over the seat pad on the transom with the kicker tilted in the down position. I also set the dimension front to back so that the kicker cowling when in tilted position is able to clear the top of the transom. Everything is right there easy grasp to tiller handle throttle and electric start and I can be seated and see over the console if I choose.
lakeman posted 05-10-2005 11:37 AM ET (US)
I just looked at the Nantuckets transom from the Whaler site. By the way my wife wants one and get rid of our Dauntless.
My thought, I have no idea of how much vertical travel a jack plate has I think some are longer than others. I wonder if a jack plate would have enough travel to get the motor in the position or depth to have enough thrust to move the boat and would it raise it high enough to get it out of the water/tilted etc for regular running. Maybe with some modifications it would work.
hhagan posted 05-10-2005 01:42 PM ET (US)
Not a bad idea, but the cost and complexity might be a problem. I would like to keep it as simple as possible. The engine I plan to use is my Honda 8, 20 inch shaft, which is also used as an auxiliary on our Catalina 22 sailboat. It weighs 85 lbs. Does anyone have an opinion about what the MINIMUM engine might be to act as a back-up to get you home. Thinking about the weight.
hhagan
Whalerider posted 05-10-2005 02:15 PM ET (US)
Jackplates have a max of 6 inches of vertical travel. Dont know if that would work, but my gut says NO.
Mark
Nantucket 190
Opti 150
nolewhaler posted 05-18-2005 12:25 PM ET (US)
I just bought a Nantucket and am interest in putting a kicker also....to slow troll live bait, and backup to get me in. I wrote Whaler asking about recommended HP for kicker...he suggested 9.9 or 15 depending on what I used it for. He also recommended Tanner bracket....I would like to see more detail of where to mount it, not keen on putting holes in the transom to find it does not work well. Was a lot easier on my old 67 Nausset, hang it on the transom!
Kencvit posted 06-01-2005 09:30 PM ET (US)
Has anyone mounted a tanner bracket on a Nantucket yet. Garlick also has a fixed bracket. There is a pic on Boattraderonline of a Garlick hinged bracket with a Nissan 4hp but Cougar has said it bounces in rough water so..... I want to mount a trolling motor on the port side considering an 8 or 9.9 yamaha or Merc. 4 -stroke, main engine 135 Opti
Has anyone installed an electric trolling motor on the port side transom or bow.
Cougars1 do you have pictures of your trolling setup and dauntless chair installations. Thanks, Ken
hwnwhaler posted 06-02-2005 05:07 PM ET (US)
Well.... I bit the bullit and ordered a CMC PT-35 direct from them. Real nice folks on the phone. I went with this after admiring MantyMonty's install on his 170. I at least have someone to bug for details on the install. I'll post updates as the project progresses.
John
hhagan posted 06-03-2005 05:51 PM ET (US)
After lots of research, I decided on the Panther (Marinetech) non-powered, fixed, Model 35 bracket. The instructions were easy to understand and I had no trouble doing the installation on my Nantucket myself. I have not yet hooked up a steering link but the Honda 8 with 25 inch shaft pushes the boat at 6mph by the gps. The mount is extremely well made and sturdy. No rattling noises. It cost me about $250 (Jolly Ann Marine, www.jollyannsales.com). The same unit is available as a powered unit, but I really do not need the weight or expense as the motor is easy to raise by hand and the lock on the engine supports it very well, even when it it very rough and choppy. I have taken pictures of the installation and if someone will explain to me how to do it, I will be happy to post them for everyone's study. In short, I am happy with this simple and (relatively) inexpensive (compared to Tanner) bracket.
hhagan posted 06-06-2005 10:58 PM ET (US)
OK. Here is the link. I hope this works for you all. Points to note. There is not enough room to get the lower starbord bolt through the transome without hitting the side of the engine well. I drilled a hole throught the bracket a little more to the port side and this allows the 1/2 inch bolts to clear. The bracket has an adjustable degreee of setback from 7 to 13 inches. When set at 13 inches, it sets the engine a little lower and prevents the prop from ventilating in a turn. This with a 25 inch shaft. I have not yet worked out a steering link, but when i figure it out, I will post some more photos.
Hagan
http://photos.yahoo.com/hhagan1
hwnwhaler posted 06-07-2005 07:48 PM ET (US)
Thanks Hhagan1,
Could you check the Yahoo link, it says there are no public photos available. I even signed up and in for Yahoo's service. I'm ready to mount my CMC PT-35 and the more ideas on drilling my transom the better!
John
hhagan posted 06-07-2005 08:50 PM ET (US)
New to the yahoo photo. I will fiddle with it.
HJH
hhagan posted 06-07-2005 08:53 PM ET (US)
ok. try it now. i set the album to public.
HJH
hwnwhaler posted 06-08-2005 04:08 PM ET (US)
Awesome!!! Works great now.
Thanks, John

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Author	Topic: Kicker on a 190 Nantucket
hhagan	posted 05-08-2005 09:32 PM ET (US) Posted this on the performance forum, bugt thought I would try it here, too. I have a 2000 Honda 4 stroke 20 inch shaft outboard I would like to use as a back up on my 2004 Nantucket (115 Merc 4 stroke). Has anyone mounted a kicker on a 190 and if so, what position, mounting hardware and steering connecting rod arrangement was used? Has anyone tried or is familiar with the Garelick heavy 4-stroke retractable outboard brackets? Thanks for any help and comments. hhagan
cougars1	posted 05-08-2005 10:17 PM ET (US) I mounted a T8 on my Nan 190 on a Garelick (heavy duty bracket /foam handle made for heavier four strokes) ran it two trips and it now hangs on the wall of my boathouse. The Garelick when tightened down with the kicker tilted up in rough water would "bounce". Not being able to stand for this I removed it ASAP. I designed a welded aluminum fixed bracket powdercoated it white to match the boat, mounted it using same holes as Garelick and have been more than pleased. I've thought about posting the cadd drawings and some pics of the install so others could benefit.
hwnwhaler	posted 05-09-2005 04:18 AM ET (US) There does'nt seem to be much interest in kickers on our Nantuckets! I have been searching for info on mounting one this last week and found very little, hhagan even posted looking for help on this several months before with no one responding. I also do not want to use a moveable braket as the water gets a little rough here at times. I already have a Yamaha F6 20" and will try this one out before investing $2500 on a T8 or T9.9. In the reference section there is a beautiful aluminum bracket John Anderson fabricated for a Classic 15. I have been trying to think this out as it could be applied to our Nantuckets. Whatever info and pics Cougars1 could put out it would be much appreciated. Any other ideas, anyone?? John
hhagan	posted 05-09-2005 10:56 AM ET (US) Thanks for the input on movable brackets. Everyone seems to nix them for a variety of reasons. I am exploring fixed brackets at the moment and will post what I learn as I go. HJH
lakeman	posted 05-09-2005 11:07 AM ET (US) Here in Florida, you rarely see Kickers anymore. I had one on my Grady, it was a waste of money and time to keep it going, and I took it off and got a tow service. That being said, If I lived where there was no tow service or ran far offshore, I do mean far like the Bahamas or what is called the middle ground in the gulf I would probably get a kicker again. However a small kicker probably would not help much in those situations a sat phone might be better or buddie boating. I had the Garelick HD for my 15 2S and it was not easy to use and never used it anyway, and the 2S weighs a lot less than a 4S, I like the idea of a fixed mount and actually looked in to it on the Grady, but how it would fit/access to and keep the motor out of the water when needed was a problem for that boat. I know this is not a solution but an oppinion of kickers from experience.
Joe Kriz	posted 05-09-2005 11:50 AM ET (US) There are several companies that already make stationary brackets. These have also been discussed before. If you do a search you might find a lot more information. Here are the ones from Garelick: http://www.garelick.com/marine/product_catalog_detail.aspx?cat=oma&subcat=smb Here is one from Tanner: http://www.tannermfg.com/tannermfg.htm (scroll down to the middle of th page) And there are other companies. All of the units can be spaced further to the rear using wood spacers if needed. Dick adapted a solid bracket in this same fashion and looked fantastic on his Montauk.
hwnwhaler	posted 05-09-2005 06:05 PM ET (US) Thanks for the input Lakeman and Joe! Lakeman, I am relegated to needing a kicker as Hawaii does not have towing insurance available that I know of, so it would be on a case by case pay when you need it ($$ here). I do like to run to Molokai, 30 miles across the channel, so a kicker would be slow but I would at least get home and not pass either island and be gone. Joe, I spoke to Tanner as their website does not show a Nantucket kicker available and they confirmed they now have one for the Nan at $495 + shipping. That is fine, I don't mind paying for quality, BUT they could not supply me with any mounting locations, or more info... I am not crazy spending $550 on a bracket that may still cause interference for my motor or needs to be lag bolted (can't do that). The Garelick brackets are fine, but I'm at a loss where to mount them on the Nan. There are cusioned backrests where MantyMonte thru bolted his CMC bracket on his Montauk. Besides I would like to mount the kicker a little closer to the main motor to tie in the steering and center the weight. I really like the installation Mantymonty did, and his pics and description are first class. Thanks!! For simplicitys sake I would still rather have a stationary mount and pull the motor up myself. But, that CMC looks good - if my 20" motor is long enough, and I could remount the seat foam. ??? Sorry about the long post on what seems a simple subject, but of many ideas bouncing around, none seem just right. Mahalo, John
hhagan	posted 05-09-2005 06:53 PM ET (US) Cougars1. Do you have a picture of your mount set up. Do you count on the tilt mechanism on the motor to keep the motor up out of the water when not needed? Interested in how you set this up. hhagan
cougars1	posted 05-10-2005 01:11 AM ET (US) Yes I rely on the tilt mechanism of the T8 to keep it up when running my main motor (Optimax 150). I use the kicker for trolling and run it off the tiller handle standing up with the rear quarter seat removed. I also wanted a seat (taller than the rear quarter seat when not removed) so I ordered and mounted a Duantless pedestal chair that is positioned on top of the motor well (I removed the grab handle) and used a stainless steel backer plate for the pedestal mount. I use the pedestal chair for long trolls in relatively flat water for comfort. If I lock the kicker strait forward I can also steer from the helm with the big motor. (just not as responsive). This set up gives me alot of options and works very well for how I fish. I also phoned Tanner and nobody gave me a good answer to the custom locked and solid solution I wanted for my Nantucket. The white powdercoated welded plate bracket I designed is better looking and custoom fit to the Nantucket transom and just the right height with the tiller handle just over the seat pad on the transom with the kicker tilted in the down position. I also set the dimension front to back so that the kicker cowling when in tilted position is able to clear the top of the transom. Everything is right there easy grasp to tiller handle throttle and electric start and I can be seated and see over the console if I choose.
lakeman	posted 05-10-2005 11:37 AM ET (US) I just looked at the Nantuckets transom from the Whaler site. By the way my wife wants one and get rid of our Dauntless. My thought, I have no idea of how much vertical travel a jack plate has I think some are longer than others. I wonder if a jack plate would have enough travel to get the motor in the position or depth to have enough thrust to move the boat and would it raise it high enough to get it out of the water/tilted etc for regular running. Maybe with some modifications it would work.
hhagan	posted 05-10-2005 01:42 PM ET (US) Not a bad idea, but the cost and complexity might be a problem. I would like to keep it as simple as possible. The engine I plan to use is my Honda 8, 20 inch shaft, which is also used as an auxiliary on our Catalina 22 sailboat. It weighs 85 lbs. Does anyone have an opinion about what the MINIMUM engine might be to act as a back-up to get you home. Thinking about the weight. hhagan
Whalerider	posted 05-10-2005 02:15 PM ET (US) Jackplates have a max of 6 inches of vertical travel. Dont know if that would work, but my gut says NO. Mark Nantucket 190 Opti 150
nolewhaler	posted 05-18-2005 12:25 PM ET (US) I just bought a Nantucket and am interest in putting a kicker also....to slow troll live bait, and backup to get me in. I wrote Whaler asking about recommended HP for kicker...he suggested 9.9 or 15 depending on what I used it for. He also recommended Tanner bracket....I would like to see more detail of where to mount it, not keen on putting holes in the transom to find it does not work well. Was a lot easier on my old 67 Nausset, hang it on the transom!
Kencvit	posted 06-01-2005 09:30 PM ET (US) Has anyone mounted a tanner bracket on a Nantucket yet. Garlick also has a fixed bracket. There is a pic on Boattraderonline of a Garlick hinged bracket with a Nissan 4hp but Cougar has said it bounces in rough water so..... I want to mount a trolling motor on the port side considering an 8 or 9.9 yamaha or Merc. 4 -stroke, main engine 135 Opti Has anyone installed an electric trolling motor on the port side transom or bow. Cougars1 do you have pictures of your trolling setup and dauntless chair installations. Thanks, Ken
hwnwhaler	posted 06-02-2005 05:07 PM ET (US) Well.... I bit the bullit and ordered a CMC PT-35 direct from them. Real nice folks on the phone. I went with this after admiring MantyMonty's install on his 170. I at least have someone to bug for details on the install. I'll post updates as the project progresses. John
hhagan	posted 06-03-2005 05:51 PM ET (US) After lots of research, I decided on the Panther (Marinetech) non-powered, fixed, Model 35 bracket. The instructions were easy to understand and I had no trouble doing the installation on my Nantucket myself. I have not yet hooked up a steering link but the Honda 8 with 25 inch shaft pushes the boat at 6mph by the gps. The mount is extremely well made and sturdy. No rattling noises. It cost me about $250 (Jolly Ann Marine, www.jollyannsales.com). The same unit is available as a powered unit, but I really do not need the weight or expense as the motor is easy to raise by hand and the lock on the engine supports it very well, even when it it very rough and choppy. I have taken pictures of the installation and if someone will explain to me how to do it, I will be happy to post them for everyone's study. In short, I am happy with this simple and (relatively) inexpensive (compared to Tanner) bracket.
hhagan	posted 06-06-2005 10:58 PM ET (US) OK. Here is the link. I hope this works for you all. Points to note. There is not enough room to get the lower starbord bolt through the transome without hitting the side of the engine well. I drilled a hole throught the bracket a little more to the port side and this allows the 1/2 inch bolts to clear. The bracket has an adjustable degreee of setback from 7 to 13 inches. When set at 13 inches, it sets the engine a little lower and prevents the prop from ventilating in a turn. This with a 25 inch shaft. I have not yet worked out a steering link, but when i figure it out, I will post some more photos. Hagan http://photos.yahoo.com/hhagan1
hwnwhaler	posted 06-07-2005 07:48 PM ET (US) Thanks Hhagan1, Could you check the Yahoo link, it says there are no public photos available. I even signed up and in for Yahoo's service. I'm ready to mount my CMC PT-35 and the more ideas on drilling my transom the better! John
hhagan	posted 06-07-2005 08:50 PM ET (US) New to the yahoo photo. I will fiddle with it. HJH
hhagan	posted 06-07-2005 08:53 PM ET (US) ok. try it now. i set the album to public. HJH
hwnwhaler	posted 06-08-2005 04:08 PM ET (US) Awesome!!! Works great now. Thanks, John