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montaukman posted 05-11-2005 12:09 PM ET (US)   Profile for montaukman   Send Email to montaukman  
Hi everyone. In my search for rear seats for my 170 where I wanted to use the rear steps as seats, I looked into Hall Cushions and was told by Lois that they couldn't comfortably create a backing for the 170. It would involve bending and such.

I then looked into Anderson, spoke with Tena, went back and forth a bit and was then finally shown a rear bench seat for the 170. They can modify this seat by cutting and creating jump seats for each step. I have attached their pics. Pretty nifty looking. The price for the bench seat was about $1,100. The jump seats are about $250 a side.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/montaukman/17mont004.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/montaukman/17mont003.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/montaukman/17mont002.jpg

Curious what everyone thinks. Not sure if extra seating is worth another $500. I am thinking about it.

Nice work though and I do like the curved wraparound design. Maybe if a bunch of us decide to go this route, they can produce them for a lesser cost.

Thanks and let me know what you all think.

Alan

Divedog posted 05-11-2005 02:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Divedog  Send Email to Divedog     
Pretty cool looking seat! If I had an extra grand and place in the garage to store it, I'd be interested. Glad to see the option is out there but right now I use that area for fishing. It would be nice to have a seat for the rare water skiing days.
poker13 posted 05-11-2005 03:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for poker13    
Looks very, very nice! Great fit too.
erik selis posted 05-12-2005 03:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Alan,

Of all the idea's I have seen for a rear seat in the 170, this one is by far the nicest. It looks great.

I still think that the boat would have difficulty getting up on plane if there were 2 adults seated there. However, for cruising around it's perfect.

Erik

Maximus posted 05-12-2005 06:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maximus  Send Email to Maximus     
I love the seat but just a word of warning...

The 2003 model 170 lacked the floor support needed for the rear seat. My dealer would sell me a seat but would not install it. I believe the 04 and newer have the needed supports in the floor.

That being said, ample cleating would most likely spread the load out enough to be safe.

montaukman posted 05-12-2005 06:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for montaukman  Send Email to montaukman     
Hi Everyone,

I don't think I will be purchasing the seat--too expensive to be honest. I just posted it because i thought you all might like to see a new design. I am still up in the air about it so we'll see. Maybe I can negotiate a better price. I also would want the legs to be stainless. They currently look white powdercoated.

Thanks for your feedback--Alan

nydealer posted 05-12-2005 10:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for nydealer  Send Email to nydealer     
Last year Whaler was going to start shipping Montauks with stern seats. Similar design to the seats offered in the late 90's boats. Unfortunatly this never made it to production because there was an issue with clearance and trim on the engine. This seat would definatly fix this but I don't think the proper backing is there on any model year boat. You could refer to you wood locator that came in the owners packet(i'm home now and don't have access to one) This definatly looks like a nice seat though.
pvonk posted 05-13-2005 09:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for pvonk  Send Email to pvonk     
Whaler did make the stern seats; I got one for my '05 Montauk (last August of 04). The following two pics were sent from the dealer before I ordered the boat - sample of the stern seat:

http://www.skidmore.edu/~pvonk/home/graphics/170SternSeat.jpg
http://www.skidmore.edu/~pvonk/home/graphics/170SternSeatFromBack.jpg

I also have pics of my Montauk at:

http://homepage.mac.com/pvonk/Dragonfly/PhotoAlbum11.html

You'll find a shot or two of the seat, but not a good close-up. Once I get to my boat next month, I'll take more pictures, since I've had a request for more pics of the set.

Unfortunately, Whaler has stopped making the seats about the time I got my boat. My dealer said Whaler didn't sell enough of them. But you may find a dealer that still has one in inventory - that's how I got mine.

As for my stern seat - I love it. It does sit a bit forward of the engine to allow the engine to trim up. The seat shown by montaukman has an advantage of sitting farther back, thus giving more legrooom between the seat and the RPS, but my seat's position is not an issue for me (and the seat can easily be removed if you need room for fishing). The one thing I love about my seat is being able to cut the engine and just drift while reading a book lounging on the seat. The "Anderson" seat, due to its curve, would not allow lying back, a dealbreaker for me. And yes, it's harder to reach plane with people sitting at the stern, especially if no one's at the bow end, but it's fine enough with a boatload of folks, out for a slow cruise around the harbor or such.

- Pierre

pvonk posted 05-13-2005 09:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for pvonk  Send Email to pvonk     
I should also add that the space between my stern seat and stern is handy for stowing misc supplies.

- Pierre

pvonk posted 05-13-2005 10:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for pvonk  Send Email to pvonk     
Regarding the floor support for a stern seat on the 170 - when I did my research last August (in '04), I was considering buying an in-stock 170-'04 or waiting a few weeks for the new '05 models. I found that the '04 model year had a date (I believe it was April of 04) before which it did not have the supports below the deck, but that after that date, it did. Since the first dealer I visited had an "early" 04 in stock, I passed (my wife absolutely wanted the seat - for the grandkids, etc.). I later found a dealer (Nausset Marine) on Cape Cod that got the '05 in early (which still had the proper support) and had a stern seat in stock.

- Pierre

Box_Of_Rain posted 02-15-2007 10:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Box_Of_Rain  Send Email to Box_Of_Rain     
Does anyone have a picture of the stern seat and/or jump seat from Anderson, looking to put one in an 04'

THANKS!

Mel Wallace posted 02-16-2007 09:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for Mel Wallace  Send Email to Mel Wallace     
The 2007 170 Montauk has stern corner seats as an option. You can see drawings of them in the 'My Whaler' section.
swist posted 02-16-2007 04:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
I have a 2004 Montauk 170 with a factory stern seat. It was discontinued just after that year. Whether or not the floor supports were still put in I don't know. It would basically be 2 pieces of Whalerboard. If you actually have the seat installed, there are two large metal brackets that sit on the deck surface - screwed into the backing. The seat itself mounts to the brackets with big hand screws so they can be removed without tools. It was an expensive option for the previous owner.

It came with the boat (used), but after using it for a while I have the following comments:

-It is not that light - yeah it's easy to take the handscrews out/in, but taking the seat itself on or off the boat depending on your planned use for that day is kind of a pain.

-It is mounted too far forward and puts people's knees right into the fuel tanks. Granted there is not much room back there, but there is a good 6" clearance between the seatback and motor cowl in full-up position which is wasted space. I moved the brackets back 6" so the motor just barely clears and that added legroom helps.

-Everyone sits there at first since it looks more comfortable than the bow cushion, but actually the bow cushion is easier to stretch out in. It is drier and less bumpy back there (although noisier, but the 4s engine isn't that loud).

-The seat does not have zipper access to the foam - it is completely built in - if it gets wet, it takes forever to dry. I am going to drill some drain holes in the plywood bottom next year.

-Yes it does create storage space beneath and behind, as well as between the gunwales and the seat sides.

-Put two fat people back there and no one in front and time to plane takes a big hit. (This is where the boat needs a 115 engine option).

- It doesn't interfere with fishing that much IF you have two people or fewer fishing, as a matter of fact it creates another work surface.

Bottom line. It all depends on how you use the boat. I wouldn't buy a new one, but was glad it came on the boat.

Box_Of_Rain posted 02-16-2007 10:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Box_Of_Rain  Send Email to Box_Of_Rain     
Swist,
That really helps, thanks for the info, I am thinking of getting one for kids to sit in so they are down low and off the back corner "seats", good stuff-thx
Box_Of_Rain posted 02-17-2007 12:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for Box_Of_Rain  Send Email to Box_Of_Rain     
As for my stern seat - I love it. It does sit a bit forward of the engine to allow the engine to trim up. The seat shown by montaukman has an advantage of sitting farther back, thus giving more legrooom between the seat and the RPS, but my seat's position is not an issue for me (and the seat can easily be removed if you need room for fishing). The one thing I love about my seat is being able to cut the engine and just drift while reading a book lounging on the seat. The "Anderson" seat, due to its curve, would not allow lying back, a dealbreaker for me. And yes, it's harder to reach plane with people sitting at the stern, especially if no one's at the bow end, but it's fine enough with a boatload of folks, out for a slow cruise around the harbor or such.

Does anyone know what or where I can find this "montaukman"

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