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posted 05-11-2005 06:46 PM ET (US)
I will receive my Outrage 320 by the end of this summer
1-Will I be able to fit a fighting chair on that boat
2-Should I stick to my order on a bare boat (on wich I plane to rigg Yamaha hpdi 300 or Yamaha 250 4 strokes)
3-What propelers should I choose knowing I dont care for
posted 05-11-2005 09:55 PM ET (US)
Congrats on the new purchase.
1. As for the fighting chair, doesn't look like there is that much wood in the stern area. You should probably ask your deal about this and see what he/she says.
2. Good questions but I think only you can answer. Since Whaler only riggs Merc, they don't have performance info for other engines. I will say that the Verados are quiet and quick but I have only done demo rides so I have limited experience. There is one member MassOutrage who has a 320 with Verados on the back and loves the boat.
3. When you get your boat you should work with your dealer. Hopefully they will let you swap a couple until you get the right ones for how you want to use the boat.
Good luck and keep us posted.
posted 05-12-2005 06:53 AM ET (US)
Verado's all the way! With DTS, Power Steering, Smartcraft with the Auto-Troll , etc.... How could you resist. If it were me, I would RUN back to my dealer.
Actually..the auto troll feature of the Merc/Smartcraft would be enough of advantage to go with the Merc if it were my decision. Plus..factory rigging is normally MUCH better that even the best dealers, with less problems likely to arise when you out 50 miles in the big blue.
Check out www.thehulltruth.com for whats going on with the BIG Yam's and Verados. The consensus seems to be in the 250-300 hp range, Verado's rule! Post your question over there and you will get LOTS of responses from fairly well informed users that run the larger boats like you are getting. I LOVE this forum, but to be honest it really geared more toward the smaller Whalers / Whaler users.
posted 05-12-2005 07:59 AM ET (US)
Congratulations on the purchase! I bet you can't wait. I have just ordered a 305 Conquest and gone throught the same mental torture deciding on what engines to go for. Finally I went with twin 250 Verado's. Remember everything is a compromise. I felt that the smartcraft setup and DTS setup was the best electronic setup available. I also preferred the smooth running and quietness of the Verado's was worth more to me than the holeshot performance & better fuel economy at higher speeds that the 2 stroke's offer. If you are going to spend hours trolling why not do it as comfortable as possible. All day trolling with little engine noise was worth more to me than a marginally higher top speed and slightly better fuel economy. It all comes down to your priorities. Whatever setup you finally decide on it will be a sensational boat! Good luck.
posted 05-12-2005 11:17 AM ET (US)
Are you logging in from Europe? Here in the USA we don't have an option about motor brands, but if I recall correctly, other European members have had a choice.
Erik Selis, hopefully, will be along to confirm this idea, but I believe I've read that the boats delivered in Europe have the rigging done by the dealer, not at the factory, regardless of the motor brand selected. Erik, did I make that up, or is it the case?
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posted 05-12-2005 12:43 PM ET (US)
I would stay away from the 300 HPDI's as they have had about as many issues as the Optimaxes. Suggest either the Verados or the 250 Yamhahas.
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posted 05-12-2005 02:55 PM ET (US)
Hello Al Dente,
Welcome to the forum and congratulations on the purchase of a dream boat.
Sheila has it right concerning the engines here in Europe. The dealers price list will always show you the price of the boat including your choice of MERCURY engine. You choose your boat, all the options and the dealer will mount any Mercury engine available for this type of boat. Making the choice for a different brand of engine is also possible at a higher price than you would pay for the Mercury engine. The dealer will normally discourage mounting other than Mercury engines but money talks, so anything is possible.
If I were you I would put the Verado's on her. Man what a combination.
It looks like you are from France? The fighting chair would indicate fishing for Tuna in the Med? You sure you don't need a deck hand?
posted 05-12-2005 11:59 PM ET (US)
Je voudrais m'offrir comme "deck hand."
posted 05-13-2005 09:46 AM ET (US)
Let me weigh in on the fighting chair issue.
We do much blue water fishing in the Sea of Cortez and regularly battle small to medium size marlin. We have a 305 Conquest with approximately the same cockpit space as a 320 Outrage.
We much prefer standup gear and no fighting chair for the following reasons.
1. Standup gear is much easier to fish short handed. If necessary, I can act as the angler and the wireman. Impossible with a fighting chair.
2. Chair rods are longer, I have one which is now used as a backup and I had to take it out of the rod holder to reach the end to change lures. A pain in the .....
3. Fishing standup makes boat handling less important. The angler can move from side to side and even to the bow to deal with a difficult fish. On occasion I have had to run the boat forward and chase a fish that is about ready to spool me. This is a difficult manuever if the angler is in the fighting chair.
4. Backing down is a wet manuever with my Conquest. I never do it with standup gear.
My wife who is 5'4" older than she will admit and never an athelete fought a medium size striped marlin last week with her standup gear. With a fighting belt, waist harness, and a standup rod and 2 speed reel with 40 pound line, the marlin was brought to boatside in about 10 minutes where I released it.
Whalers are not designed to mount a fighting chair. It might be possible to retrofit a backing plate, but I doubt the deck is thick enough.
Even my friend who has a 42 foot sport fisher with a fighting chair fishes standup. The fighting chair is teak and looks good but it is in the way. Other than for fighting a grander, it is useless.
posted 05-13-2005 08:43 PM ET (US)
Sheila, you're shameful! Mais, je suis un "deck hand" par excellance!
Seriously, congratulations on a wonderful boat. I see ones like that occasionally on the Detroit River and they are spectacular. Fishing from one has got to be just about as good as it gets.
posted 05-13-2005 10:09 PM ET (US)
Ray, vous avez raison. Je suis vraiment sans honte. Mais quand meme, je suis une bonne "deck hand!"
posted 05-14-2005 01:59 AM ET (US)
I just changed my mind...and am no longer a candidate for the deck hand job. I am now a candidate to be sitting in the fighting chair. :-)
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