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Nantucket handling and ride
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posted 05-13-2005 07:12 PM ET (US)
I am considering purchasing a 2004 Nantucket. This particular boat does not have a motor but is rigged for Mercury. I have some questions and would appreciate the advice of the board members.
I do not require great acceleration or speed and would like to to use a 115 4-stroke . Yamaha...Honda...Mercury? My experience is limited to Yamaha 30-50 2-strokes.
It has the Merc controls so that`s an advantage for Merc, but I just read the thread on problems with shifting. Are Yamaha or Honda better?
How does the handling and ride compare with the Dauntless 18 and 18-20 Outrages(older and newer)?I have to admit I have never ridden in any of these boats and may have to purchase with testing while the boat is still available.
This is a big step for me and I`ll appreciate your experienced advise. Thanks
posted 05-13-2005 09:16 PM ET (US)
I have a 2004 190 Nantucket that I bought with a Mercuty 115 4 stroke. I chose that combination because I wanted a 4 stroke for my own reasons. I am not a speed demon, and just wanted a reliable adequate engine on the transom (PS The Mercury 115 4 stroke is actually mostly made by Yamaha). The combination was just adequate and not more, for myself alone in the boat. Typically it would plane at about 4200-4400 rpm's (can't remember exactly as I type this), and would get into the mid 30's mph near wide open throttle at 5800-6000 rpm's. In other words, on a calm day, with an average load of a few people and some gear, that engine will work its tail off. I don't think you will want to be running an engine near WOT as much as you will with this engine/boat combination.
I repowered with a Yamaha F150 and it's just incredible. It planes at much lower rpm, cruises at much lower rpm, and has a top speed of 50 mph instead of the mid 30's. If you have a hull only, and are going to buy an engine anyway, for about $3000 more you can put an amazing engine on the back that is proven reliable in its first few seasons. Also, the F150 actually puts out about 160mph ( I haven't tested...just what I have read) at the prop.
I think there are some great options out there if you want 4 stroke technology: Suzuki DF140, Honda BF150, perhaps the 150 Verados will be available soon, and I think I have read on this site that Suzuki is coming out with a 150 hp engine as well. When I repowered, my choices were Yamaha F150, Suzuki DF140 (the cheapest option), and the Honda BF150. If powere is what you want get the Yamaha, and if cost is an issue and don't want the extra oomph, the Suzuki Df140 is a proven and reliable motor. Honda Bf150 is also an amazing engine. It is heavy though, and the most expensive of the three I just alluded to.
You will love the Nantucket; just power her correctly from the getgo. Here is a link to my boat's website if you want to check it out.
posted 05-13-2005 11:35 PM ET (US)
I have to agree with Sal...Lots of options out there .....I have the 2004 Nantucket "Das Boat" but I put a 115-2 on her and that made a big difference compared to the 4 stroke...see my other post as SAl was getting ready to re-power...
How does she handle....Like a Dream.....Its all a matter of taste with the comparisons.........The 18 Daunt. is a bit stern heavy........but a nice boat just the same...I choose the Nantucket for all my reasons....Sal was a big help...just check the old...postings.........
Ive been out 10 times aalready this year here in Maryland...and its even better than last year when I first got her...........
what does she have...cusions?Dodger? Canvas? OPtions???......what are they asking for her w/no motor???
posted 05-14-2005 06:07 AM ET (US)
I thouroughly enjoyed the pictures on your link and got me thinking about getting the Nant. I am new to the forum (reading messages not posting; learning mostly). I got some questions:
1. Is it possible to buy the Nan. withouth an engine and then fitting it with one of the ones you mentioned?
2. How does the Nant. compare with the Montauk in terms of roominess?
posted 05-14-2005 06:37 AM ET (US)
1) Boston Whaler only rigs their hulls with Mercury engines, as they are both owned by the same corporate parent. You can probably get the 190 Nantucket with the 150 Verado this autumn.
For the other engines, my guess is that you will be able to get your dealer to take off the pre-rigged Mercury, and arrange for one of the other engines to go on back. This will be less expensive if you negotiate it up-front, while everything is new! I sold my pre-owned Mercury 115 4 stroke to a forum member, here, who had a lighter boat better matched to that engine. I arranged for my dealer to buy the Yamaha f150 from a "sister" dealership and rig it.
Doing it the way I did it, it cost me $7,000 for the upgrade. If I were to have done this exact choice before I took delivery, I bet it would have cost an extra $4000 or so, instead.
2) Regarding roominess, the 190 Nantucket is a very large 19 foot boat. It has almost the same interior room as many, if not most, 21 footers. The 170 Montauk is also substantially larger than its predecessor. A forum member here (Moe) drew a scale srawing of several of these smaller Whalers side by side. Here it is: http://www.engr.udayton.edu/staff/lriggins/Whaler/170GDvs170MTvs190GDvs190NT.jpg
Between the 170 and the 190, a sea-trial is what will sway you. I love my boat, and I know many 170 Montauk owners who love that choice better. Both are incredibly sea-worthy boats with great versitility. If you want an internal fuel tank,however, you must look above the 170.
posted 05-14-2005 06:41 AM ET (US)
Moe's diagram depicts left to right: older generation Montauk, 170 Montauk, 19 Guardian (same as older 18 Outrage), and 190 Nantucket.
posted 05-14-2005 01:04 PM ET (US)
The salesman has told me that I could leave the factory merc rigging and use an adaptor for the Yamaha? This doesn`t sound right to me. He does recommend the 150 which seems to make sense from what I`ve been reading. I`ve used the search to read past postings as suggested.
The boat has few options,flying top only. I would have to add bow cushions and swim platform and ladder. Is it worth it get whaler or aftermarket.
Those are real nice pics of your boat. Your forward shelter is custom made? Does it tie in with the flying top. What would that approx cost.
posted 05-14-2005 02:30 PM ET (US)
THANK YOU SAL A. I have a Montauk now.
I cannot see myself part with it. Perhaps need to have 2 BWs if cash flow improves!!!
posted 05-15-2005 06:34 PM ET (US)
I wish I could help you on the aftermarket issue, but I have no basis to judge. I do know that it seems crazy to pay almost $500 for a bow cushion from Whaler. But then again, I was out this morning on the bay with my oldest son, my boat all dressed up, and I got a thumbs up from a guy in a Hinckley. Very cool.
The forward shelter is made by Mills www.millscanvas.com , and cost a about $900 if I remember. If you want a connector screen to connect the forward shelter to the bimini, you will want to buy the Mills bimini, and not the Whaler bimini.
If I had the 170 Montauk and was thinking of moving up, I'd look larger than the Nantucket. 2 foot-itis is obsolete! (Heck, I find myself looking hard at the Parker 25XL and the Maritime Skiff 23 foot class). Anyway Cheers.
posted 05-16-2005 01:55 AM ET (US)
Thanks for the Mills link. I checked Yiddel`s page too and saw that he has the same nice set-up.
When you repowered with the Yamaha were you able to use the existing holes from the engine bracket or did you have to drill new. If so, what is the proper way to fill the old ones? Thanks, Ken
posted 05-16-2005 05:10 AM ET (US)
Same holes on the transom.
I even chose analog guages instead of Yamaha's multifunction digital guages, as the analog ones fit right in the existing holes in the console too.
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