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Outrage 24 Repowering
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posted 07-11-2005 12:50 PM ET (US)
1994 Outrage 24 with twin 150 Johnsons. Looking to repower with a single engine. Questions:
1) Is it 25 inch shaft for a single?
2) Is it worth the extra money for a 250 over a 225hp?
3) Suggestions of motor (4 stroke, DFI, EFI) - is it worth the money for new technology fuel saving motors? Can get a Merc 250 EFI leftover new for around $9k versus $14-15k for four stroke Yamaha or Suzuki...
THANKS for your input.
posted 07-11-2005 01:02 PM ET (US)
1) I think you need a 30 inch shaft length if going with a single on the 24.
2) To some it is, to some its not.
3) You'll need to redo the math, but typically the fuel efficient motors have been priced in such a way that it takes about 700 hours of operation to break even with the fuel cost savings. That was at 2.00 per gallon which looks cheap by today's prices.
posted 07-11-2005 01:04 PM ET (US)
I should have added that 2-stroke EFI is not in the fuel efficient category. 250 EFIs like gas and oil, LOTS OF IT.
posted 07-12-2005 12:06 AM ET (US)
I run a 1994 24' Outrage with a 30" Yamaha 250EFI. My opinion is the 250 is the minimum I would want on this boat. Anything less then 250 will work hard to cruise with a full load. The 250 cruises with a light load at 35MPH at 4,000 rpm and 2.7 MPG with 19P prop.
Depending on how many hours your put on your boat a year will determine how long it will take to pay for the newer tech engines. I personaly would go with the 250 EFI Merc but I only run about 100 hours per year on my main engine. When I repowered several years back I figured I would need to run the more expensive engine for 5-7 years to get my money back. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
posted 07-12-2005 08:47 PM ET (US)
I repowered my 1997 21 Outrage last year, went through the same considerations you are going through now. I shopped the 225 to 250 horsepower motors.
I purchased a leftover 2003 Mercury 250 EFI. This motor was about $5000 less than the 2004 Suzuki 250 four stroke and about $2500 less than a 2003 Mercury 225 Optimax.
I probably put around 80 to 100 hours per year on a boat. Last year was 80 hours and I burned around 640 gallons of fuel. If I ran 30% more effecient, I could burn around 210 less gallons of fuel in a season. At $3.00 per gallon that is $630 dollars per year savings. Add in some oil and Peter's statement is right on, about a 7 year recovery of the additional amount paid for a more efficient engine. The greater the number of hours you put on the boat in a year will reduce the payoff time.
When I was shopping the new technology motors the higher horsepower were just coming out. There really was not as much to choose from compared to this year. The Verado four stroke, Yamaha four stroke and Evinrude ETECH two stroke are all now available in 250 horsepower.
I have experienced the same fuel consumption as John, around 2.7 mpg at similar rpm and speed.
My motor has performed very well in it's first 100 hours. Starts right up cold and the 2 stroke smoke isn't terrible, but noticable. Better than my carbed motor.
No smoke and quiet motors is where the four stroke shines. If that is important to you than the extra cost may be worth it to you.
My final decision was based on cost savings and the reputation of the motor. The Mercury 250 EFI has an excellent reputation and so far it has lived up to it. I purchased it during a promotion that extended the warranty to four years. I replaced a Mercury motor so the rigging was easy, used everything that was on the boat for the new motor.
There are alot of good motors out there now. I think the Mercury is the only two stroke 250 EFI left out there now.
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