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TG_190 posted 01-12-2004 08:27 PM ET (US)   Profile for TG_190   Send Email to TG_190  
Hello,

I have read most of the threads regarding this boat, most of which pertain to the Pascoe's negative review.

I am a current Nantucket owner and I currently feel like I am pushing the safe limits of that boat by having a strong desire to fish offshore. So... I have X-foot-itis. I do love the Nantucket for what it is, but have felt myself tempting fate on several occasions. I have never felt truly unsafe on the Nantucket (quite the contrary), but have exposed myself to the possibility of "trouble". I am thinking about getting a bigger boat with twins to safely head out 50miles or more. I have poured over the specs for GW257 Advance, BW Outrages, Contender, etc.

I have come across several seemingly good deals on the 26 Outrage, but the one thing that Pascoe mentions in his review that bothers me the most (ie. not fixable) is the handling/listing complaints.

I would appreciate it if any current/former owners would let me know what they honestly feel about this boat. Any info would be appreciated.

Also I am interested in performance numbers (speeds, time to plane, fuel economy, top speed) for the twin 200 and 225 Optimax's on the 26.

Also, if anybody has any feelings about offshore center consoles, BW or other brands, I wouldn't mind taking them into consideration.

Thanks,

TG_190

homey posted 01-13-2004 12:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for homey  Send Email to homey     
tg_190


I was in a similar situation as yourself not long ago. I had a 20 Seacraft and wanted offshore capability. (Also twin motors for safety.)

I looked at several brands including a larger Seacraft and Contender. After a year of comparisons, I found a 1991 Outrage/cuddy/whalerdrive. The boat had twin 150 Johnsons. I use the boat primarily in the Chesapeake bay but, did go offshore (Ocean City) at least 6 times in excess of 50 miles.(June-Aug.) I plan on doing more trips this year and will probably go through till late October.

I watch the weather carefully, and don't go out if the forecast is in excess of 15 mph winds or 5 foot waves. The boat handles great with the whalerdrive. We usually cruise between 25-30mph.

I love center consoles for several reasons. The helm is usually amidships which means a smoother ride versus a cuddy cabin boat where your riding on the bow. Its also more centered and this gives me better visibility around the boat. When fighting a fish at boat side your able to move around the console. There are many pros and cons when it comes to center consoles and cabin boats. Its just a preference...Sorry, I don't have any info about the 26 Outrage.

homey posted 01-13-2004 12:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for homey  Send Email to homey     
The boat is a 25' Outrage.
TG_190 posted 01-13-2004 02:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Homey,

Its funny you mention Seacraft. I was considering a 25 as boat worth looking at. Do you have any opinions about those hulls/company? I know they ain't whalers,but something tells me that in these larger sizes of CCs, whalers may not be the no-brainer, best choices that they are in the smaller boats.

As a matter of fact, from reading the forums on this site, aside from the perpetual classic vs. non-classic arguments, I am learning that some models, years, and sizes are regarded more highly than others.

Thanks,

TG

WHALER27CC posted 01-13-2004 04:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for WHALER27CC  Send Email to WHALER27CC     
TG-
Consider the Whaler 27 center console with the forward cuddy, its an awsome offshore boat. I had the same dilemma you do several years ago,and after alot of research and my desire to stay with the inherent safety of a Whaler, it became a no-brainer to me.The 27 is the classic hull with a 10 beam, and the Whaler construction makes it one of the toughest and safest center consoles out there in that size. I have never had any regretsabout choosing this boat. On the used market they will be cheaper than the 26 and you get much more boat for the money. The one downside which may be a deal breaker is that it isnt really a trailerable boat.The 26 is a fine boat too, and certainly will be better than the Nantucket for offshore runs.....
Peter
Also-
I have pics posted on my profile if you want to get a better idea of the 27
mustang7nh posted 01-13-2004 05:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for mustang7nh  Send Email to mustang7nh     
I'm not trying to change the thread, but were the Offshore 27s of later years the same hulls as the Whaler 27? If they are it might give a bit more range of what to look for on the used market.
bricknj posted 01-13-2004 05:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for bricknj    
I posted this link on a thread in another section; perhaps it is better placed here.

TG:

http://www.coastalyachtservices.com/boats-for-sale/listings/Boston-Whaler-10.htm

WHALER27CC posted 01-13-2004 07:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for WHALER27CC  Send Email to WHALER27CC     
Mustang- Yes the Offshore is the same hull as the the "older" 27s,I think the first year of production for the Offshore was 1990,and the last year for production of all the multi-versioned 27s was 1989.Tom Clarks CDs will cover the accuracy of that info.The 27 was/is a beast of a boat whatever the configuration is.The Offshore still tends to fetch a pretty good price on the used market...
homey posted 01-14-2004 01:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for homey  Send Email to homey     
TG_190

I had a 1998 Seacraft 21, it was considered beefy for its size. I was impressed with the ride, but the overall quality was fair at best. The hardware was cheap and fell apart quickly. I found screws where there should have been bolts. The gel coat was fair, also no deck plate to remove and replace fuel tank if necessary. Thats just the tip of the iceburg.

I sold the boat after 1 season.....

I do agree with Whaler27cc, regarding the 27 Offshore center console/cuddy. Homey.

TG_190 posted 01-14-2004 02:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Thanks for all the replies.

Although, I didn't get any real first hand responses from 26 OR owners, thanks nonetheless.

An older 27' is an interesting thought, though I like my time spent on the water, and not too much rewiring, worrying about older engines, and the fuel cost...personally, i would rather get newer and slightly smaller for the occasional offshore trip (5-10 times a season), and the common inshore fishing I do in 3-4' foot seas. I also like the option of some day being able to trailer and self store it to reduce costs further. Its always all about compromises.

I am still waiting for relevant 26 OR input or other boats from BW or other makes worth considering.

TG_190

lhg posted 01-14-2004 03:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
TG_190. I've got to say it's almost unheard of to have an owner of a brand new single engine Whaler so immediately wanting a twin engine Whaler, while at the same time subtly dumping on the BW brand. What's up here? Didn't you plan ahead? Why the good guy-bad guy approach? We've seen this before.

"I have read most of the threads regarding this boat (26 Outrage), most of which pertain to Pascoe's negative review."

"I am a current Nantucket owner and I currently feel like I am pushing the safe limits of that boat by having a strong desire to fish offshore."

"I have never felt truly unsafe on the Nantucket (quite the contrary), but have exposed myself to the possibility of "trouble"."

"I have come across several seemingly good deals on the 26 Outrage, but the one thing that Pascoe mentions in his review that bothers me the most (ie. not fixable) is the
handling/listing complaints."

"Also, if anybody has any feelings about offshore center consoles, BW or other brands, I wouldn't mind taking them into consideration."

"Its funny you mention Seacraft.... I know they ain't whalers, but something tells me that in these larger sizes of CCs, whalers may not be the no-brainer, best choices that they are in the smaller boats."

"As a matter of fact, from reading the forums on this site, aside from the perpetual classic vs. non-classic arguments, I am learning that some models, years, and sizes are regarded more highly than others."

"personally, i would rather get newer and slightly smaller for the occasional offshore trip (5-10 times a season), and the common inshore fishing I do in 3-4' foot seas."

"I am still waiting for relevant 26 OR input or other boats from BW or other makes worth considering.

TG- I recommend you keep your new Nantucket for your OCCASIONAL offshore trip and COMMON inshore fishing. But, the 26 Outrage is fabulous Offshore boat and Pascoe has no idea what he's talking about - a complete idiot. As for Sea Craft, I just ran into someone in a nice yellow one, who said his previous boat was a Whaler Outrage. Said he hated this Sea Craft compared to his Whaler and was going to get rid of it and go back to a Whaler.

You have come to wrong place to get recommendation on other brand boats. This place is Whaler specific, no apologies, for you and other Whaler owners. You should trade your Nantucket for another Whaler if you are unhappy with it, and there has been other comments here that you will lose about 15% on the deal. It is extremely rare for us to get legitimate Whaler owners here complaining about their brand new purchase.

TG_190 posted 01-14-2004 03:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
My responses are embedded below:


TG_190. I've got to say it's almost unheard of to have an owner of a brand new single engine Whaler so immediately wanting a twin engine Whaler, while at the same time subtly dumping on the BW brand. What's up here? Didn't you plan ahead? Why the good guy-bad guy approach? We've seen this before.


TG_190: I have no bad things to say about Whaler or my Nantucket thus far. My Plan ahead? Yes, as much as possible. We've seen this before, what people getting a bigger boat...I should think so. So have I. Size and the lack of twins limits me. The Nantucket is a great 19', I may keep it or at least keep it in the family.

"I have read most of the threads regarding this boat (26 Outrage), most of which pertain to Pascoe's negative review."

TG_190: Pascoe's report was published, and despite the fact I take it all with a grain of salt, current 26' owners in earlier threads have acknowledged that some of his points are valid (i.e battery placement, neatness of plumbing and wiring, engine cables and hoses entering transom not sealed from water.) Like I said without first hand experience with the 26', the most troubling thing he talked about was the handling/listing which if it were true could not be addressed with 5200 or gaskets. Its impossible to tell fact from fiction when somebody mixes truth and lies.

"I am a current Nantucket owner and I currently feel like I am pushing the safe limits of that boat by having a strong desire to fish offshore."

TG_190: True.

"I have never felt truly unsafe on the Nantucket (quite the contrary), but have exposed myself to the possibility of "trouble"."

TG_190: True. Any 19' boater who wraps his prop with mono in 3-5' seas has exposed himself to the possiblity of trouble. It happens.

"I have come across several seemingly good deals on the 26 Outrage, but the one thing that Pascoe mentions in his review that bothers me the most (ie. not fixable) is the
handling/listing complaints."

TG_190: True. You can't fix balance issues.

"Also, if anybody has any feelings about offshore center consoles, BW or other brands, I wouldn't mind taking them into consideration."

TG_190: Excuse me for mentioning other brands, but why limit ourselves? I've seen other boats on these boards talked about good and bad. Keep an open mind.

"Its funny you mention Seacraft.... I know they ain't whalers, but something tells me that in these larger sizes of CCs, whalers may not be the no-brainer, best choices that they are in the smaller boats."

TG_190: See above. Whalers have a stellar reputation, especially in smaller craft. Larger ones are good, but not always the best choices. Even some whaler dealers I have spoken to admit that some of the boats whaler has put out were poor. I heard this about the overweight Defiance. "Get a hattarass or an Egg harbor." I partially agree that this might not be the right forum for unbiased, informed opinions about other brands.


"As a matter of fact, from reading the forums on this site, aside from the perpetual classic vs. non-classic arguments, I am learning that some models, years, and sizes are regarded more highly than others."

TG_190: Older outrage 18s, and some of the 20-23 footers are highly regarded and fetch a high price on the used boat market. Fact.

"personally, i would rather get newer and slightly smaller for the occasional offshore trip (5-10 times a season), and the common inshore fishing I do in 3-4' foot seas."

TG_190: True. I would say 25', twins, T-top with curtains, epirb, GPS, and Radar are required for offshore. I've been there many times.

"I am still waiting for relevant 26 OR input or other boats from BW or other makes worth considering.

TG_190: True. Do you speak from experience with regard to the 26'? No one else has yet.

TG- I recommend you keep your new Nantucket for your OCCASIONAL offshore trip and COMMON inshore fishing. But, the 26 Outrage is fabulous Offshore boat and Pascoe has no idea what he's talking about - a complete idiot. As for Sea Craft, I just ran into someone in a nice yellow one, who said his previous boat was a Whaler Outrage. Said he hated this Sea Craft compared to his Whaler and was going
to get rid of it and go back to a Whaler.

TG_190: Thanks for the reccomendation. I do consider cost, and what I do most often. I have not done anything yet, and like I said may opt out and keep the Nantucket. Pascoe, may be skewed against whaler, but I have yet to read a negative boat review elsewhere in a publication about any boat. Negative reviews are very rare, yet crummy boats (not whalers) are all over the place. If Pascoe is an idiot, then current 26' owners should chime in and say so and why. I have read many of his reviews, and where I don't agree with everything he says, he does seem to know a thing or two about boats. I just question who butters his bread so to speak. Once again, you said the 26' is a fabulous offshore boat: Do you speak from experience?

You have come to wrong place to get recommendation on other brand boats. This place is Whaler specific, no apologies, for you and other Whaler owners. You should trade your Nantucket for another Whaler if you are unhappy with it, and there has been other comments here that you will lose about 15% on the deal. It is extremely rare for us to get legitimate Whaler owners here complaining about their
brand new purchase.

TG_190: Me coming to the wrong place for a reccomendation about another brand, may be your only valid comment (unless you have experience with the 26' OR). I apologize.

TG_190

panther posted 01-14-2004 04:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for panther    
Pascoe is not skewed against Whaler; he just tells it like it is. Check out his reports on delaminating Sea Rays if you want to see boats that are truly a POS. Personally, I'd look hard at Contender, Regulator, or even an Edgewater in the 26-28 foot range, as these brands are really built to take a lickin' and not come apart. I'd want more than just a thin shell and foam under me 50 miles out.
TG_190 posted 01-14-2004 05:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Panther,

Thin shell and foam is not accurate. Whalers are solid, long lasting hulls. Proven over and over and over again. A lot of glass and structural stuff embedded in that foam. The coasties and such wouldn't use crap is further proof.

BWs, excellent fit and finish. "unsinkable unibond construction", Mercury only power. Highly priced. Good resale. Accutrak is dry running, rides well but not the best. A decent set of compromises overall.

Contenders are built well, but the compromise with them lies in their best feature: a really deep V. I suspect that these boats are tuff to handle correctly, and are tippy on the drift and while at anchor. I will take a sea trial and confirm or refute my suspicion. They probably handle a head sea really well, and are fast. They are also at least as pricey as whalers. Yamaha power.

Regulators are good, overpriced, and heavy. I suspect the same compromises with the deep V as Contender. Yamaha power.

Edgewaters, don't have a separate hand laid liner and deck to the best of my knowledge (Roll cap construction?). Not sure how these will stand the test of time. Resale? They do deserve consideration.

Grady Whites are good, somewhat overpriced, with Yamaha power....I owned one. Fit and finish not as good as others BW, some quirky design decisions, but basically good. Highly regarded everywhere.

Seacraft. Nice looking design. Highly regarded by some. Time tested design. High resale. Very sensible layout. Great ride from what I've heard. Power options available. Few dealers. Website is 4-years old...no updates. recently moved from fl to NC.

I like the compromise of variable deadrise hulls: BW, GW, Seacraft. I would need a sea trial on a contender to believe that that design would suit my needs. Regulators are overpriced.

bricknj posted 01-14-2004 05:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for bricknj    
I dont think there is any "agenda" by TG. On the contrary in my search of his threads this summer he added valuable first-hand knowledge of a boat that a lot of people were thirsty for... I am enjoying learning about these boats and how they compare to other BW boats. And I don't think we do the forum any service by piling on a guy, who quite frankly I admire that he is so thorough in the way he searches for the right boat for his needs.

Dated July 2003:

I have a Nantucket 190 w/ Merc Opti 135, Fishing package, and sun-top.
So far I love the boat. Top Speed in 1' chop was 42, on flat water I would expect to see 45+mph (RPMS read 5200 WOT). It goes up on plane well, I don't know how to spec it other than saying passengers have to hold on when I throttle forward for the hole-shot.

It handles very well. I've already had it out in nasty 3-4' foot messy seas w/ a 20mph cross wind for a 13mi return trip down part of the coast of NJ from Shrewsburry to Msqn,
and the boat stayed dry, and did not porpoise too much. I was able to keep the boat under control and still run back at 20 - 28mph. I have also had it out in 8' swells, w/ 2-3' chop and it handled those conditions with ease. I have primarily drift fished on it, and it seems to settle out pretty quickly as well. All that being said, it is still a 19' boat w/ an 8' beam, so your expectations have to be reasonable.

I've had great fuel economy. I have been averaging over 4mpg...and once I was out of the break-in, I don't baby it too much. I regularly run at 4000 - 4500 RPMs. At about 3700 to 4000 RPMs (a sweet spot for fuel economy) it runs about 30 -35mph. The smartcraft guages are a great leap in technology over the old analog guages I had on my Grady. They provide lots of useful info: mpg, speed, trim angle, water pressure, engine temp, water temp, air temp, fuel used, etc. Time will tell if the wiz-bang technology holds up to the marine env. I don't like the idea of Merc keeping an electronic diary of my motor usage that I can't access...

I have had one deck screw break and the takle door open in rough seas, but other than that the boat is solid. Trim, throttle, and the sea conditions is always a balancing act, but I have not encountered conditions yet in the 8 outings, and 140miles that I've travelled that caused me grief.

I had a salt-water washdown plumbed off of the livewell pump, w/ a fitting placed under the starboard aft quater seat. It is a pretty simple mod, and works well, but it can't push a lot of water through a narrow coil boat hose.

I paid $35K for the above-mentioned rig, including the trailer. I condsider it a fair value.


TG_19


RonB posted 01-14-2004 05:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for RonB  Send Email to RonB     
lhg,

A friendly whisper of wise counsel..

Do you have a 2001 26 Outrage?

Considering the investment one must make to acquire one of these fishing machines, I do not think even the most simple question is a bad one. Let the folks who have experience with that particular model Outrage and similar type boats from other manufacturers answer TG_190's questions.

I am sure TG-190's intentions before investing in a 26 Outrage is to leave no rock unturned, to learn as much as he possibly can before breaking out the checkbook.

Ridiculing his questions or intent does not constructively contribute to this thread.

I bought and sold a new 2003 Montauk to upgrade to a bigger Whaler in the span of two months. I guess I didn't didn't do my homework, I guess I'm not too smart, or maybe I have credit card debt through the roof,or maybe I have more money than I know what to do with. But you know what, if I had spent the time to do my homework before buying the Montauk, perhaps I would not have bought it and bought the right boat the first time. My mistake and I'll live with it. People do it all the time.

Here's a guy asking questions and trying to make the right decision on getting the "right" bigger boat and you have a problem with it.

Let the guy ask his questions, he has certainly received feedback from some knowledgable folks who have greatly contributed to making his decision easier.

Your post did not.

Happy Boating,
RonB

Goosedog posted 01-14-2004 05:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Goosedog    
RonB, very well put. Glad you decided to upgrade, the mooring cover for the 170 you sent me works great. Thanks, Marshall
RonB posted 01-14-2004 06:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for RonB  Send Email to RonB     
Thanks Marshall,

Glad the cover worked out and glad to see you're still here, I never knew your were Goosedog!

Ron

panther posted 01-14-2004 06:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for panther    
lhg makes moronic posts like that all the time. Ignore him. Pascoe is not a loser and I like most of his survey advice. At least someone out there is willing to tell it like it is. I like BW's a lot and didn't mean to imply they were inferior in any way. As I've never been on a 26 I'll shut up and learn.
whalerfran posted 01-14-2004 07:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerfran    
TG_19 If you decide to purchase a 26' OR, there is one for sale in Jacksonville, FL that appears to be priced reasonably. I would be glad to look at it and let you know whether you might want to take a second look.
lhg posted 01-14-2004 07:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I think we've got a few people talking to themselves here. This whole discussion is just a clever way to trash Boston Whaler's later models. Do a little reading between the lines. I still say this Pascoe is an idiot for his ridiculous comments on the 26 Outrage. Doesn't know a decent boat when he sees one and rolls with the funding, as do most boating mags. Do our particpants here with 26 Outrages and Nantuckets deserve this?

This site continues to draw people from competitive companies, or owners/sellers of their products, with an anti-Whaler or Mercury agenda. Guess that means ContinuousWave, Boston Whaler and Mercury are actually doing quite well.

VMG posted 01-14-2004 07:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for VMG  Send Email to VMG     
lhg you're off the mark. Let's be realistic here -- Pascoe's remarks weren't "ridiculous," they simply reflect a different perspective on the product. The fact is that the wiring arrangements on some of the later Whalers are a mess compared to other products (Contender e.g). The ride is mediocre compared to boats of similar size...but with more deadrise (Regulator 26 e.g.) Does that make the OR 26 a piece of junk? -- certainly not. Boat designs are a collection of compromises. Some work better than others depending on your priorities. To each his (or her) own.

OBTW, I'm on my third Whaler and I still own two of the three.

panther posted 01-14-2004 07:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for panther    
lhg you're blind to Whaler. You try to dig up trolls where there are none. Pascoe has found some very real deficiencies...deal with it. Whaler could easily clean up some of it's wiring mess, just takes a bit more time. No Whaler will ever ride like a 24 degree hull, and no one expects them to. You should learn to look at more than one side, because until you do, no one here will really take you seriously. Flame away oh self-promoted great one.
bricknj posted 01-14-2004 08:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for bricknj    
lhg

Respectfully I put to you that the conspiracy theory is a little farfetched here. Unless Oliver Stone is TG190. Wait...come to think of it.. oh no!

ryanwhaler posted 01-14-2004 08:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for ryanwhaler  Send Email to ryanwhaler     
panther,
What are you trying to get out of this thread?

You are completely off base here, every post of yours that I've read (I haven't seen them all) have been either bashing Whalers on some way. Now your taking shots at one of the most respected members?

I know who you are. You told me, remember?

Larry and I have had our differences,I thing he yells
"troll" a little to quick sometimes, but so have I.

He is right with his assumption of this thread.

"panther" is a well known poster on one of the other well known boating forums. He told me in a chat room a few mounts ago that he was posting here under the name "panther". I've looked the other way for to long now.

Larry,
If you want to know more about this guy my e-mail address is in my profile.

I won’t post on this thread again, unless a question worthy of an answer is directed at me.

lhg posted 01-14-2004 08:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Yes, I'm happily blind to Whaler for about 35 years now, because nobody's 25' 24 degree anything will outperform a 25 Outrage offshore. Not Regulator, Contender, Sea Craft, Intrepid, Fountain, etc, etc. Want to get real sick, try trolling offshore in a 24 degree hull. You'll be hanging on just to keep from going overboard. Rock and Roll heaven! The hull flexing will drive you crazy too.
TG_190 posted 01-14-2004 08:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
lhg,

I really don't know what your deal is. I will quell any suspicions you may have by saying this: I honestly highly recommend the Nantucket so far.

The only flack I've given BW products was some tongue in cheek stuff on the comparison between a Nantucket and a 2001 18' outrage thread. Based on what I know, I would say the 18' outrage is a great boat too.

Yes, I am considering all boats in a similar class even though I like whalers. In addition to the Nantucket that I currently own, I have owned a Grady in the past.

All companies make mistakes. BW and Mercury has made some in the past. I don't want to own a mistake. If somebody owns a boat or an engine that has been a problem we should know about it. I wouldn't want to take a piece of crap out 80 miles and find out the batteries are dead because of a design flaw, or the power head blew, or own a boat that lists and is untrimmable.

As far as talking to oneself with multiple aliases on this site. I ain't doing that. Life is too short and confusing to play games like that online.

This is the last time I am gonna reply to your crap.

panther posted 01-14-2004 10:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for panther    
I'm with you TG. Enough of this guy's crap. What a moron.
JFM posted 01-14-2004 10:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
If you can afford one, look at Pursuit. In my opinion there is no finer CC off-shore boat of that size made.

Regards, Jay

TG_190 posted 01-15-2004 09:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
To all who replied constructively,

Thanks. I will get the information I am looking for one way or another. I have asked to speak with the prior owner of the 26' i am considering, and he was all positive about it...I will continue to probe around though especially regarding the engines.

Thanks,

TG_190

MassOutrage posted 01-15-2004 11:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for MassOutrage    
I have owned 9 whalers in my life and currently have a 2001 outrage 26 after owning a 96 outrage 24. I had the 26 shipped bare and rigged with twin 200 Yamaha hpdi's. I love the boat but it is definately a different ride than the Regulator 26 for example. My buddy has a regulator and I am on it quite often. The regulator rides much better in head sea with 3-4 footers. However, on a return trip with both boats, the whaler 26 was MUCH drier with the following sea.

Regulator has the same engines as mine and is about 3 MPH faster. I have young kids and I think the whaler is a better family boat while still able to fish anywhere.

Just my experience

TG_190 posted 01-15-2004 12:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
The following is a post from Panther:

"Pascoe is not skewed against Whaler; he just tells it like it is. Check out his reports on delaminating Sea Rays if you want to see boats that are truly a POS. Personally, I'd look hard at Contender, Regulator, or even an Edgewater in the 26-28 foot range, as these brands are really built to take a lickin' and not come apart. I'd want more than just a thin shell and foam under me 50 miles out."

followed by another post by Panther:

"lhg makes moronic posts like that all the time. Ignore him. Pascoe is not a loser and I like most of his survey advice. At least someone out there is willing to tell it like it is. I like BW's a lot and didn't mean to imply they were inferior in any way. As I've never been on a 26 I'll shut up and learn."

One thing bothers me about the two posts above: I'd want more than just a thin shell and foam under me 50 miles out.


What was the point of making that statement? Were you not referring to Whaler's there?

It is not an accurate statement, and I question your motives for stating it, and then following up with: "I like BW's a lot and didn't mean to imply they were inferior in any way."


What did you mean? Are you confused?

AM posted 01-15-2004 12:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for AM  Send Email to AM     
Well, tg, finaly..... there you have what you were asking.
lhg posted 01-15-2004 12:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Does anyone, after reading through all of this stuff, now have a HIGHER/BETTER opinion of a Nantucket or 26 Outrage than they had before it was started? If not, the effort was successful. You be your own judge.
bricknj posted 01-15-2004 12:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for bricknj    
tg

I thought Panther was defending you... and you are turning on him? I don't get it. I think this forum is a bit too soapopera-like for my liking.

Tuning out until cabin loony fever subsides.

TG_190 posted 01-15-2004 12:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
MassOutrage,

I have sent you an email and contact info. If you would be so kind as to give me a call, I would like to ask you some questions.

After getting the answers, I will post them to the board ( with MassOutrage's approval first) so we might get some closure to this thread.

I am still getting mixed signals on the 2001 Optimax engines. To the best of my knowledge thus far, kglinz accurately posted issues regarding the fuel rails, ecu replacement. In addition, I know that some of the 3L block engines from 2000/01 were recalled. A lot of engines were fixed before heads blew under warranty. I am still looking into these issues. I am also planning on getting full engine readouts, a mechanical survey, and repair and maintenance histories on the motors.

I will be inspecting the boat on land this weekend, and I will pay close attention to Pascoe's gripes among other things. I will post my findings next week.

Tight Lines,

TG_190

panther posted 01-15-2004 12:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for panther    
It ain't rocket science folks. 24 degree, 8'6" hulls slice the waves and give a superb ride in the rough stuff. 21 degree, hulls don't slice as well and ride rougher, but are a bit more stable at trolling speeds. Take your choice.
TG_190 posted 01-15-2004 12:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Brick,

I don't need defense. I found a direct contradiction in what he said, and I request clarification.

I agree about the soap-opera-ishness of this. I will no longer reply to things that are irrelevant. I do hate to see a poster that is misleading, and might really have a hidden agenda. I will not reply, acknowledge, or dignify in any way crap. No offense to the posters, everybody has a brainfart now and again. My skin is thicker than that.

TG_190

panther posted 01-15-2004 01:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for panther    
ain't you special? bwahahaha
WHALER27CC posted 01-15-2004 03:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for WHALER27CC  Send Email to WHALER27CC     
Geez!! I leave for a few days and look what this thread turned into!!!I think this thread started out ok, but it seems turned south ina hurry....There is always going to be people that like other boats a little better than Whalers, so what? There are going to people who point out some of the accurate downsides to Whalers,again,so what? Whalers DO have downsides,thats reality,In the end they are by far the best boats out there when it comes to design,finish,and safety.....Most of us on this forum know it, and for those who dont see it that way , that should be ok and they shouldnt be held up to ridicule and suspicion.
I LOVE my Whaler but there are some downsides to it, but there are far more upsides...I hope no one takes me to task for pointing them out....
Just my two cents ...others will probably disagree
Peter
panther posted 01-15-2004 05:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for panther    
That's blasphemy. Most everyone here seems to agree that Whaler's are near perfect. Shame on you for suggesting otherwise. 10 demerits.
Whalerologist posted 01-15-2004 05:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerologist  Send Email to Whalerologist     
"It ain't rocket science folks. 24 degree, 8'6" hulls slice the waves and give a superb ride in the rough stuff. 21 degree, hulls don't slice as well and ride rougher, but are a bit more stable at trolling speeds. Take your choice."

My reply:

OR, you can go to a Cat and get the best of both worlds, funny turning and looking, BUT other than that, great ride in the rough, great handling in all seas and not bad on the pcoket book either. Wish Whaler would do one.

Glenn

panther posted 01-15-2004 06:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for panther    
That's true, I forgot all about Cats. Now there's a sweet ride. Too bad they're so damn fugly.
AM posted 01-16-2004 12:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for AM  Send Email to AM     
Cats are excelent from point A to point B @ cruising speed, Had one (25 glacier bay) Hated it. Sold it not caring how much I lost with it. BW is MUCH better boat.
homey posted 01-16-2004 11:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for homey  Send Email to homey     
I skimmed through most of the prior posts, and it really boils down to personal preference. Also where the boat is going to be primarily used? Offshore or inshore?

Like I said previously, The 25' Outrage handles great offshore. You will only get beat up in your boat if your out in rough weather, I try to avoid that. So, deadrise isn't the first thing I look for in a boat...

Now, I also like the Contender 25' but its alot more expensive...It took me a year of research/looking at many brands new and used...The unsinkable Whaler was my choice for Offshore. Homey

Capt_Tidy posted 01-17-2004 12:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for Capt_Tidy  Send Email to Capt_Tidy     
Just to throw in a comment... The 25 Outrage was/is a wonderful ride - one of best without question or argruement. In a constant heavy weather/wind condition it is likely the best of the Whaler fleet and I often wish I still had mine. But after getting into the larger Glacier Bays, I found that the 25 Outrage could not match the overall ride and roll stability to the newer Glacier Bays... we are hanging geophyscial survey equipment off the side in all kinds of weather here in LA. The difference in roll is dramatically different for the 26 open console Canyon Runner. And I am less tired after 10 hours on the water in the GB.

While the GB will never touch the 25 Outrage in raw muscle, speed performance, or in the abuse department (I never worried about droppping a battery in the Outrage or worry about the boat in a high cross wind docking - in the GB it would make you gringe... could you imagine if I had dropped the GB off the trailer v. the Whaler last Decemeber - there would be little left?) and while the Outrage has a well defined and desired "tank feel" just like my old Range Rover at full throttle, the 35-40 knot ride in heavy weather of the GB is significantly better in heavy combo chop and swell combo waters than the Whaler. Mind yo uthe GB costs alsmost twice as much as cherried out 25 Outrage.

I have seen the older 252 Cuddy as referecned by AM and wonder if that model was dropped for a reason... just like the Outrages, wine, women, and Presidents.... some years are better than others.

Okay... you can get back to your bashing now...

TG_190 posted 01-18-2004 10:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Hello,

I posted a dry appraisal of the 26' Outrage on the post-classic thread with the same subject that I started:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001193.html

Sorry, but I misinterpreted "general". A lot of good history on this thread though, so I think its worth keeping around, I will reply on the "post classic" thread, but still monitor this one.

BTW, have any of you 1996 -2002 outrage owners with the batteries in the outer euro transom retrofitted with the BW battery boxes that keep an air bubble during swamping that keeps the terminals from shorting? As per the thread:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006531.html

Regards,

TG_190

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