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Author	Topic:   170 with 85 lb plus kicker
dcritch	posted 07-23-2005 01:11 PM ET (US)         I know there has been a great deal of discussion about kicker brackets and motors for 170s. Has any one who has a 90 4 stroke or 90 optimax on a 170 (each about 380 lbs) put a 2 cylinder 8 or 9.9 4 stroke kicker (85 to 110 lbs) on a 170? I would be interested in any first hand observations. Thanks Dave
HMBJack	posted 07-26-2005 04:44 PM ET (US)             Not a good idea IMHO. You need to add to your #'s about 20 lbs. for the heavy duty O/B bracket. That plus your kicker weight is too much weight on the transom of such a small boat. On my 17, a four stroke 5hp is plenty. While only a one cylinder, it pushes me at a solid 5mph WOT and trolls me all day on half throttle. Total weight I think is 81 lbs (20 for the garelick bracket + 61 for the Honda 4 stroke 5 hp). Personally, I wouldn't want one more pound on my transom. Good luck.
mikeyairtime	posted 07-26-2005 07:08 PM ET (US)          Several guys have done it. The 170 can carry a bit more weight than the 17. I've got a 90 4 stroke, a 28 gallon bait tank, a 27 gallon Pate tank under the seat and I carry two 12 gallon tempo's in the stern corners of my 170 on offshore runs, no sweat. 100 pounds isn't going to break the bank. Go to Home Depot and get two 50 pound bags of concrete. Double bag them in trash bags, put them in the starboard stern jump seat and go for a spin. It's about the same weight as having a super model ride in the stern corner jump seat.
bsmotril	posted 07-27-2005 12:55 PM ET (US)             I'd rather take my chances with the super model versus the kicker though. Would you rather get stranded with a kicker, or a super model? BillS
Moe	posted 07-27-2005 04:53 PM ET (US)             The kicker would whine a lot less. :-D -- Moe
MantyMonty	posted 07-27-2005 06:30 PM ET (US)             Just a thought for your bracket ideas. How far can you reach out over the transom in uneasy seas to tilt and shift your motor? Also the bracket must be high enough and set back off of the transom enough to allow the head of the motor to be able to tilt out of the water so it isn't dragging in the water when under way. There are a lot of the stationary mounts that don't allow for this. Take for example the Tanner bracket. It is 13 inches long. They do this so the motor can tilt properly and not half way only like some shorter models offer you. There price for the 170 is around 500.00 big ones. Seems to be a well made product, but the lean over the transom factor is there. I installed a CMC 35 power tilt unit on my 2004 170 and it is working out great. I have attached some pictures of it in this article. Just another viewpoint for you to consider. http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/teedertodder4u/detail?.dir=/ffc8&.dnm=2ea0.jpg&.src=ph
MantyMonty	posted 07-27-2005 06:36 PM ET (US)             Forgot to mention I have a 2 stroke 90 Classic with a 2006 T9.9 Yamaha 25 inch shaft with electric start. The remote gas tank sits on the opposite side of the boat from the motor along with a pail of downrigger lead balls. I also have a 27 Pate. I can get the rig up on plane quickly and run 8 to 10 miles out in Lake Michigan no problem. Ran in yesterday to dodge a dandy thunderstorm from 7 miles out. Sure is fun to go cruising right by those fancy sailboats while they are on there way in to port. Just another two cents worth. Have a good day!

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