Forum: WHALER
  ContinuousWave
  Whaler
  Moderated Discussion Areas
  ContinuousWave: Post-Classic Whalers
  Comparison: 2006 190 Outrage vs. 1996 Outrage 19

Post New Topic  Post Reply
search | FAQ | profile | register | author help

Author Topic:   Comparison: 2006 190 Outrage vs. 1996 Outrage 19
Perry posted 08-27-2005 08:09 PM ET (US)   Profile for Perry   Send Email to Perry  
I came across a a guy at a local sandbar yesterday. He had a 1996 Outrage 19. His boat looked similar to my 190 Nantucket/Outrage. His boat had a 1996 225 Yamaha Salt water motor and I thought it was a lot of HP for a 19 foot Whaler.

There is not much info I can find on the 1996 Outrage 19. The owner said it is rated for 225 HP, has a 90 gallon fuel cell and has a dry weight of 2200 lbs.

For a boat roughly the same size and weight as a new 190 Outrage, I find it odd that the 1996 Outrage 19 is rated for 225 HP while the new 190 Outrage is only rated for 150 HP. What gives?

highanddry posted 08-28-2005 02:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
I am really surprised that the Nantucket 190 is not rated for 200 horsepower myself. While the Opti 150 is a fine choice for it as I have said before, for water sports and other things such as reducing strain on the engine at economical cruise speeds I really would like the 175. Same weight as the 150 and 25 more horses. The 200 would be a bit more weight but given the FACT that the Nantucket hardly notices loading of several people to the rear I am certain the extra weight would be no problem.
It is a fact because I can put my 180 lbs, my wifes 130 lbs, my dad's 240 lbs on the two rear seats and rail and the scuppers change water position about 0.5 inches.
Really, the biggest simple improvement that I am planning on doing soon is tabs.
You know, the Opti 150 pushes my boat with me and wife and 30 gal fuel and one set of dive equipment at about 46 plus MPH (SmartCraft and GPS in agreement) on calm water trimmed out. I am thinking also to go to a four blade prop for better cruising efficiency at the expense of maybe one or two MPH top end. I have to do more research yet.
rumrunner posted 08-28-2005 09:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for rumrunner  Send Email to rumrunner     
Sounds more like an Outrage 20. Could it have been that? I'm not familiar with the "post-classic" Whalers as much, but I thought at that time (1996) there were 18 and 20 Outrages. I've been looking at Outrages of that vintage, and I didn't think they switched to the 19/21 until a few years later. Could be wrong though..........
phatwhaler posted 08-28-2005 09:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     
Perry,

I have a 1996 19 Outrage and it closer to a 20 footer than a 19. In 1997 and 1998 the same boat was called the 20 Outrage. It is indeed rated for a 225.

The 1996 model is 10 inches longer and 4 inches wider than a 190 Outrage. It also has a deeper V hull.

The 19 Outrage has the follow advantages:

1. It has in deck fish boxes.
2. The console has a electronics box. You can mount electronics without cutting up the console.
3. Had more factory options: T-top, Freshwater washdown.
4. The console has two access doors instead of one.
5. THe livewell is a little bigger.

The 190 Outrage Pros:

1. The rigging is probably better considering much of the rigging on the 19 Outrage was done by dealers instead if the factory.
2. I like the splash well area better.

I think the 190 is a great boat and I'm sure it would be run great with a 150 Optimax. I see no reason for a 200.

As a side note, the mid nineties 21 Outrage with the full transom was rated for 300 hp.

DBOutrage17 posted 08-28-2005 10:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for DBOutrage17  Send Email to DBOutrage17     
Back to my 1996 Whaler brochure...

It lists the Outrage 19 (17, 19, 21, 24, 27 offshore, Dauntless, Jets & Classics too...)

So in '96 when it was the Outrage 19, specs on the brochure were...

LOA 19'8"; Beam 8'4"; Draft 15"; Boat Wt. Standard model 2200 lbs; Max Wt. Capacity 2230; Swamped Capacity 4800lbs; Persons 9; Max HP 225; Min HP 130; Recom. Engine Shaft 25"; standard fuel capacity 91 gal.

Of course, all specifications are subject to change...

The minimum HP stat was explained that it was the "minimum horsepower to plane satisfactorily with a light load", so "satisfactorily" & "light" would be open to debate...

Dave

20dauntless posted 08-28-2005 04:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless  Send Email to 20dauntless     
I have the 1996 20 Dauntless which has the same hull as the 1996 19 outrage and 1997-98 20 outrage. My dauntless is rated for 225 hp. All the specs posted above are correct. I have a 200hp Yamaha SWS II and it can reach mid 50's with a light load and with 9 people and full gas over 40. (GPS speeds) It seems quite a bit faster than the newer Whalers which I think are underpowered.

Sam

Perry posted 08-28-2005 05:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Thanks for the info guys. When my 190 and the Outrage 19 were sitting side by side, they looked pretty similar but it appeared the other boat was a little bigger. The Outrage 19 had a deeper "V" at the transom but my new 190 looked to have more of a deep "V" entry.

I agree that some of the earlier Outrages had a higher HP rating but I see no reason for a 200 HP motor on the new 190 Outrage. This past weekend with two of us totaling 400 lbs, 50 gallons of gas and a 100 qt. cooler full of drinks and ice, the Honda BF 135 on my 190 Nantucket got me to 45 MPH (GPS). If someone likes to pull heavy skiers or run at 50 MPH, a 150/175 Optimax might do the trick but I think 200 HP is overkill.

Peter posted 08-28-2005 07:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
The deadrise (the angle of the vee) in the transom is one of the parameters for setting the maximum HP rating. The steeper the deadrise, the greater the HP will be required to go a certain speed assuming no significant lifting strakes. The 1996 19 Outrage has a deeper vee hull and more deadrise than the current 190 Nantucket/Outrage. I believe that the classic 18 Outrage also has more deadrise than the 190 Nantucket/Outrage, and thus although the 18 Outrage is significantly lighter it is not much faster, if at all, than the 190 Nantucket/Outrage.
highanddry posted 08-28-2005 07:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
The 150 Opti is really a fine engine choice and it is super efficient. I cannot get over my fuel economy. The performance is great too and the engine is so smooth and muscular. Yeah, it is a little noiser than a Honda but frankly I am thinking the Opti is the better choice, lighter, stronger, more fuel efficient from the info I have read. Someday I may repower in the distant future but for now I am very pleased. The Nantucket is a bit smaller than the older Outrage it seems which is why it could have the fish locker etc. We are about a foot shorter and nearly half a foot more narrow. They would have to eliminate flotation to add those lockers. I think it is well designed and set up for a 19 footer. I also agreee that while the transom is more rounded and not quite as deep the bow seems sharper. The "tucket handles chop nicely for a small boat.
Perry posted 08-28-2005 11:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
highanddry, I'm not so sure the Opti is the better choice than the Honda. Yes, it is lighter but stronger? I've gone head to head with an identical Nantucket with a 150 Optimax. His hole shot is a little better but my Nantucket with a BF135 beats him by 1-2 MPH at top end. My fuel efficiency is also better than his. I can get over 6 MPG at cruising speed while he gets a little over 5 MPG.

I'm not bashing the Optimax. It is a fine motor but the new generation 4 strokes made by Honda and Yamaha are proving to be quite good performers.

highanddry posted 08-28-2005 11:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
Perry, you are probably right, I was not intending to bash the Honda but to point out that the engine the boat comes with is very cost effective and is a fine choice. Engines vary anyways, so far I am told I should only be doing about 42 whereas I am running closer to 47. Things vary of course. I also burn about 4.8 GPH at 26 MPH for 5.4 MPG. Nudging the throttle a bit more though sees the fuel economy begin to drop off, with tabs I think I could drop down to about 22 MPH and get over 6 MPG--big maybe. About 6, maybe 6.2 GPH at 30 MPH for about 5 MPG. Not to bad. The Opti I think is cheaper than the Honda, especially if you have to sell the pre rigged Opti to get the Honda. My numbers are still changing and I am going off memory here. I love Honda products, I am sure it is a fine engine. Good luck with it.
ddriscoll posted 05-03-2006 09:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for ddriscoll  Send Email to ddriscoll     
so on the topic of the 19 foot 1996 outrage anyone have a feel for the value of these - it would seem with them just leaving the warrentee period the hull value would only be $9000 also a 10 year old engin would also have a vaule of not more than $3000. Let me know if i am crazy
phatwhaler posted 05-03-2006 10:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     
Without considering the following variables it's reel hard to say.
1. Condition
2. Location.
3. Options.

I could see a clapped out 1996 Outrage 19 going for 12 grand. I could also see a well optioned, mint condition, boat going for closer to 20K or more.

PW out.

Wiscbw posted 05-04-2006 07:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Wiscbw  Send Email to Wiscbw     
I agree with phatwhaler. I bought my 1996 Outrage hull this winter and then found a used 1997 Yahama EFI. Buying the hull and motor separate may save some money although you will have the headaches of shipping, assembly and making sure everything works. I had a few problems that are now corrected. Although the NADA listing is less, most of the comparison boats I found were closer to $20K. That is a very big savings over a new whaler. I have only been out a handful of times. It is solid, a great boat.
Poppy posted 05-10-2006 05:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Poppy  Send Email to Poppy     
I have a '97 Outrage 20 which fits all the specs of the 19' discussed above. Power is a 175 Merc Offshore. Both boat and motor are in mint condition. Not to mention I bought a new aluminum dual-axle (w/ brakes) trailer last year to set it on when I leave it at the beach.

It runs near 42-44mph fully loaded down. I have no intention of selling this fine boat -- but if I did, I wouldn't take a dime less than 27k for the rig.

Wish I could attach a pic -- she's beautiful.

Poppy

Tropicpc posted 08-18-2006 10:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tropicpc  Send Email to Tropicpc     
I am picking up my 19 Outrage today and it is a 1996 with a Yamaha 200 Salt Water series. I agree with the pricing on these boats. They are solid and a real bargain if you can find one. I thing people really hold on to these boats. Mine has T Top and only 115 hours on it. Compression on the engine came back like new. This thing flys! With Dual axle trailer majic tilt Aluminum for $15000. I feel like I am stealing with the quality of the boat.
rynochop posted 08-18-2006 12:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for rynochop  Send Email to rynochop     
Hey Trop- is that the 19 ft Outrage, which is the Model 20?

I just bought a '96 model last week myself, same engine too. It is called the 20, but then says its 19 ft.

I paid $14500, which i thought was a good price (the bank thought otherwise, low NADA) The thing is in mint condition for a 10 yr old boat, very little rust on trailer...for the gulf coast here. And not so much as a scratch on the hull.

I dont have a t-top but a bimini. Solid boat.

rynochop posted 08-18-2006 12:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for rynochop  Send Email to rynochop     
"I had a few problems that are now corrected. Although the NADA listing is less, most of the comparison boats I found were closer to $20K."

I think you have to throw out the NADA book on most of these boats that are in excellent condition.
I found the same comparisons when shopping around and average nada retail was like in the mid 12's. No way.

imko posted 08-25-2006 06:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for imko  Send Email to imko     
Is the Outrage 19 the same as the Justice 19?

See:
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/ihoekstra/pict00381.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/ihoekstra/Justice192.jpg

Regards,

Imko

nggrant posted 09-02-2006 09:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for nggrant  Send Email to nggrant     
i have both a 190 outrage 2006 model year and a 17ft 98 outrage both are rated at 150 . the 150 on the 17 is scary fast but a 200 would not be scary on the 190 in my opinion the 225 hp rating without trim would have been a little overpowered but then again i love my 150hp etech 17 does 50 plus.

also the 2006 only holds 60 gallons and the 98 17 holds 55 i think maybee were on to a trend that i dont like

highanddry posted 09-02-2006 10:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
"also the 2006 only holds 60 gallons and the 98 17 holds 55 i think maybee were on to a trend that i dont like"

How much fuel do you think is needed? Just curious, the 60 gallons gives a range of 240 miles. Applying a rule of thrids then you could run 80 miles out and back and still have another 80 miles in the bank--I don't understand?

Post New Topic  Post Reply
Hop to:


Contact Us | RETURN to ContinuousWave Top Page

Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Freeware Version 2000
Purchase our Licensed Version- which adds many more features!
© Infopop Corporation (formerly Madrona Park, Inc.), 1998 - 2000.