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divedolphin posted 09-20-2005 06:59 PM ET (US)   Profile for divedolphin   Send Email to divedolphin  
I am considering the purchase of a 2005 255 Conquest that has a single Mercury 275 Verado with Smartcraft and DTS. I want two engines. Can another 275 Verado be added? How big of a job is it? Is it less expensive just to order a different boat from Whaler with twin engines?

I can get a GREAT deal on the 2005 255 Conquest.

Thanks for any information.

Ralph

jimh posted 09-20-2005 09:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
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Buying a new boat rigged with a single engine and then immediately re-rigging it for twins sounds like a tremendous amount of work and expense. Of course, it could be done.

The biggest problem would be repairing the holes in the transom from the single engine installation. New mounting holes for twins would have to be drilled. You'd have to re-rig everything--the steering, the shift and throttle controls, the battery wiring. There would be a lot of work.

And you'd have to source a loose engine to be installed. This might not be as easy as you think. Nor as cheap.

When you were all finished, who would cover the warranty on all the re-work you just did? Certainly not Boston Whaler. Perhaps the dealer might extend coverage, but will it be as comprehensive as the factory coverage.

If there were any problems with the boat, you'd be in a lousy position. The factory would be pointing the finger at all the re-work, and the re-work contractor would be pointing the finger at the factory. Not a good situation.

If you want a new boat, and you are spending the amount of money it takes to get a new 255 CONQUEST, get the one you want, not a hybrid.

kamie posted 09-20-2005 09:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Max HP for the 255 Conquest is 450HP. I believe you void the hull warranty if you go over the max rated HP.

just something to think about in addition to all the work it would take to mount twins.

You could always purchase one with twin 150 Verados and then if you wanted to swap for twin 225 Verados that wouldn't be a big swap as the controls should be the same.

diveorfish posted 09-21-2005 01:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for diveorfish  Send Email to diveorfish     
I can’t believe they only put a 275 on a 255 Conquest. At my Whaler dealer they had a 255 with twin 135 optis. Why do they under power them so much? Twin 135s are just enough for my 23 Outrage. I can’t even imagine them on a 255. What gives? It should almost be against the law.
LHG posted 09-21-2005 01:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
I believe "Trafficlawyer" did what you are asking, buying a 255 with a big single and re-rigging it with a pair of Yamaha 200's.
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 09-21-2005 01:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
As LHG stated that is exactly what I had done to my 255 back IN 2003.

...."The biggest problem would be repairing the holes in the transom from the single engine installation. New mounting holes for twins would have to be drilled. You'd have to re-rig everything--the steering, the shift and throttle controls, the battery wiring. There would be a lot of work.

REPAIRING THE HOLES IS NOT PROBLEM, PROPERLY FILLED THEY CANNOT BE FOUND ANS ARE STRUCTURLY SOUND, RERIGGING IS BABY WORK FOR AN EXPERIENCED RIGGER.

And you'd have to source a loose engine to be installed. This might not be as easy as you think. Nor as cheap.

VIRTUALLY ALL WHALER DEALERS [EXCEPT MARINE MAX] DEAL IN OTHER BRANDS OF MOTORS. BE PREPARED FOR THE EXPENSE$$$$

When you were all finished, who would cover the warranty on all the re-work you just did? Certainly not Boston Whaler. Perhaps the dealer might extend coverage, but will it be as comprehensive as the factory coverage.

THE DEALER WILL COVER THE MOTOR WARRANTY WHETHER MERC or YAM AND WHALER COVERS THE HULL. WHALER DOESNT COVER MERC MOTORS ANYWAY IF THERE IS A VERADO PROBLEM.

If there were any problems with the boat, you'd be in a lousy position. The factory would be pointing the finger at all the re-work, and the re-work contractor would be pointing the finger at the factory. Not a good situation.

TOTALLY FALSE, WHEN YOU PURCHASE A PRODUCT FROM REPUTABLE FOLKS THEY VALUE YOUR RELATIONSHIP.

If you want a new boat, and you are spending the amount of money it takes to get a new 255 CONQUEST, get the one you want, not a hybrid...."

TRUE, GET EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT, WHALER DOES OFFER A TWIN 150 VERADO OPTION WHICH APPEARS PROMISING OR RERIG TO YOUR SATISFACTION.


TRAFFICLAWYER posted 09-21-2005 01:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
P.S. Twin big block Verados is not a solution due to the weight issue, however twin 150 Verados or twin 150 opti's are factory available.

IMHO the 255 with a single would be a dud performer.

jimh posted 09-21-2005 08:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
All the Verado engines come with Digital Throttle and Shift (DTS), but if you change to twins you will need new controls (for twins).

If the SmartCraft gauge package were the big display unit, you could just go to twins and use that, but if it is the smaller display, you'll have to reconfigure for either duplicate displays or upgrade to the big display unit.

If you are going to have to toss the original engine out in the re-power, get the least expensive one.

Haven't heard a word from the originator--maybe we are just talking amongst ourselves.

bsmotril posted 09-22-2005 12:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for bsmotril  Send Email to bsmotril     
You could not reuse the existing motor as one of the new twin pair unless you shortened the gearcase, it would be way too long positioned as a twin. Single motors are usually XXL long shafts versus long shafts for twins that mount off to the sides of the area of greatest hull depth. BillS
bluewaterpirate posted 09-22-2005 02:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Ralph .......

Here's your ticket to ride ........ I know the owner, know the boat, know the dealer. This boat was sold new for $72500 in 2003 because Crocker's Marine in Wightsville Beach, NC was getting out of the Whaler business. They became an exclusive dealer for Grady White. The boat is powered by 2 150 Yamaha HPDI's approx hours 200. The boat is in immaculate condition & loaded out. This is a real deal. Check out the Web site .......

<a href="http://www.boatquest.com/Power/Boston-Whaler/Category/Length/14393/Feet/USD/1/boats.aspx">Conquest 255</a>

Tom

bluewaterpirate posted 09-22-2005 02:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
http://www.boatquest.com/Power/Boston-Whaler/Category/Length/14393/Feet/USD/1/boats.aspx

There's the link .......

TRAFFICLAWYER posted 09-22-2005 08:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
I think Jimh is right, we're preaching to the choir.

The 02 Conquest is a nice rig with the 150's. Seens reasonably priced, I can tell you mine was significantly more $$$$ new on 2003. Although I have the 200's there is not that much $$$ diference maybe 2k new back in 03.
The 150/200 hpdis are bullet proof, that seems like a nice rig in NC.

jimh posted 09-22-2005 09:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I sent this guy two emails to notify him about the discussion. When people post questions and never reply it makes everyone wonder if it is worth the effort to respond. Let's wait for Ralph to come around to reply.
divedolphin posted 09-23-2005 06:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for divedolphin  Send Email to divedolphin     
Thank you to everyone for you response.

I agree that it is better to start out with a twin engine boat than convert from single to twins. I have decided not to purchase the 255 Conquest with a single. It is a shame that such a nice boat only comes with s single. That explains why the dealer has reduced the price so much.

I have recently looked at two (2) 2005 BW 270 Outrages that are powered by twin 225 Verados. One has 4 hours and one is brand new. They both have the SC5000 Smartcraft displat and DTS.

I like the configuration of the Outrage and like all of the power from the twin Verados.

I think I will strongly consider the 270 Outrage.

If anyone has this 270 Outrage with twin Verados please let me know what you think.

Regards,

Ralph J. Licari

jimh posted 09-23-2005 09:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Bill--That was an excellent point about the shaft length problem if trying to re-use the the single engine as part of a twin engine installation. Another complication in the process.

TRAFFICLAWYER--You pro bono work here is always appreciated.

Ralph--If that dealer really want to sell you that single-engine boat, maybe he will make the price irresistible. Then you could make the conversion to twins at a reasonable price.

One additional caveat: If you convert to twin Verado 150-HP engines, do these have the integral steering cylinder that the big Verado engines use? I seem to recall they removed that in favor of conventional steering on the smaller Verado models. If that is the case, then the steering conversion becomes more complicated, too.

I don't know if the electro-hydraulic power steering used on the larger Verado engines is compatible with the conventional hydraulic steering on the smaller Verado engines. This would be an interesting problem to work out. Reports for anyone attempting would be appreciated.

Wow--this unique Verado rigging really seem to have created many problems for re-fitting this boat to something different.

I don't think TRAFFICLAWYER faced all these additional complications when he tore out the factory rigged Mercury motor and replaced it with another brand. Here going from one size of Verado to another seems more complicated!

Peter posted 09-23-2005 01:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
The 4-cylinder Verado uses a traditional mounting bracket and steering arm versus the untraditional mounting bracket used with the 6 cylinder version which I think is used to solve some height problems the straight 6 configuration creates. See continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage80.html . They don't have an integral hydraulic and steering arm assembly.

It looks like the 4-cylinder Verado might be able to use commercially available bull-horn style hydraulic system, such as one provided by Teleflex, but the photos show Mercury's Universal Steering Cylinder.

I don't see any reason why the electro-hydraulic front end of the 6-cylinder Verado steering system won't work with the 4-cylinder Verado. The "electro-hydraulic steering" appears to me to be a fancy set of words for a boost pump spliced into some hydraulic lines from what I can tell. The boost pump should work just as well with the Universal Steering Cylinder although I suspect that it would be overkill to use it.

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