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Outrage 270 owner comments wanted
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posted 11-05-2005 01:05 PM ET (US)
I have a Montauk 170 right now. I want to keep it and possibly get a bigger twin new Whaler. I like the Outrage 270 because it is large but still trailerable with a pickup.
I would like comments from owners of this boat as to how it handles, how it is to trailer, and if you have had any problems.
posted 11-11-2005 06:12 PM ET (US)
I have the 320 and the boats/hulls appear to be similar. If you want me to supply information on my thoughts on the 320, maybe it will help you.
posted 11-12-2005 02:39 PM ET (US)
Yes, I would like your thoughts. How is the quality? Do you enjoy just driving it? Does it handle well? Is it FAST enough?
I loved the OR 320 Cuddy and Open at the Miami boat show. I have not seen any here in Chicago.
I want to get a big whaler in the next 2 years. My goal is to be able to cruise 80 miles across Lake Michigan in rough water and stay overnight with my family.
I really like Center consoles the best. I am also considering a cabin Whaler like a Conquest 305 or 280.
I have never had a cabin boat and am worried that it will not be as much fun. We get lots of cold & wet weather and the protection may add a lot of comfort.
posted 11-13-2005 06:56 PM ET (US)
To start off,
I feel the quality of my 320 is superior to that of any other boat in it's CLASS. I feel it is one of the best, if not the best, fit and finished boats in its class on the market today. There is not one piece of hardware that isn't stainless and most importantly (for me), the rod holders are thru bolted. w The polarized windshield is nice, but it gets a bit distorted if you are wearing polarized sunglasses. The livewell is a great system in a great place along with the tackle center...but it seems like you are into the cruising scene for this boat. The bow seating is nice for cruising and cushions are a must, but this is not practical for fishing purposes. The pull-out rear bench is also nice for cruising, but I have close to 200 hours in 3 months and I have not used it yet. Moving toward the stern, the built-in swim ladder with the hatch is a great addition if you need to use it. As for the head, the Vaccuflush system is nice, but I never let anyone use it because my feeling is that it is going to stink regardless. The key switches are in the head along with the battery switches. I personally do not like the key switches in the head and the buttons to start at the helm. Once running out of a rough inlet, we were recieving a nice beating in a solid 2-4/3-5 ft. sea and one of the floats turned one of the keys off...which shut one of the motors down in less than ideal conditions.
Moving on, I am single handledly not completely impressed with the ride. However, this may be due to the small and seemingly useless tabs that are put on the boat. If I could get the bow to stick in more, maybe it would help. If the hull gets any air under it, even half of the bow, you back and teeth will crack and you are bound for surgery in the next 5 years. The hull lands very hard on a pad they put at the stern to add stern lift...
Although the boat rides rough in anything over 2-3 ft., it's dryness amazes me. I have never got a huge soaking at all in seas up to 3-5 in this boat. All I get, if anything, is a mist every now and then. She is VERY dry.
I do run my boat like I stole it...mainly because I like to get to the fishing grounds quick, giving me more time to fish, and running home quickly. I'm not saying I do WOT through 3-5, but I cruise close to 40 mph (burning a lot of fuel $$$$) when conditions are favorable and I need to get somewhere. She is a pleasure to drive and she offers a stable ride with a 10'2 beam and big reversed chines.
As for speed, it is not fast enough for ME...like I said above, sometimes I need to get places quickly. My top end is around 48 and I've achieved 49-50 in perfect conditions. Ideally, I would be happier in the 60's but this boat isn't designed to do that.
At 8500lbs DRY and 300 gallons of fuel, she is a heavyweight. I cruise at 32 mph @ 4300 RPMs a pop (250 Verados). I burn about 13 gph a motor, and my high cruise is 35 mph burning about 32ish gph combined. The efficiency isn't great due to her weight and a hull lacking in some things, in my opinion. She may be fast for you, though, we do different things. The 320 Outrage cuddy looks like a complete pig and you can expect probably 44-46 mph top end out of that and increased fuel burn.
If you are mainly family cruising and comfort and amenitites are important to you and your family, I would go with one of the Conquests. I automatically assume that they may ride better due to more weight.
I like the 320, and the ride isn't great, but I'm happy with her. She is very safe, dry, and user friendly. The Verados are a great system and they are doing very well for almost all the owners out there. I feel the 320 is more of a fishboat than a family cruiser, but to each his own. They are all great boats.
posted 11-18-2005 11:44 PM ET (US)
Thanks for listing all of your thoughts for me. It helps a lot.
I am surprised that the ride is not better. I would think that Whaler would make that boat a real wave crusher.
I will test the Conquest first. I am thinking that the cabin Whaler will be more suitable for our cold & rough conditions around here.
posted 11-19-2005 02:46 PM ET (US)
I agree with you...and one can think that maybe the CQ will handle those conditions better for you...at a costlier price than the OR.
posted 11-19-2005 07:26 PM ET (US)
We are in much smaller water in the Finger Lakes. Not a huge requirement for larger boats but that hold back some. Our customer’s reviews of the 270 have been great. We have had no quality issues. The 27 is one of the fastest boats in the line topping out at 56mph with twin 225 verado or opti's. The 8'6" beam makes it still trailerable. I haven’t been out in rough water in the 270 but I have been 20 miles off Costa Rica in the Pacific on the 240 outrage during a storm. I was very impressed with the ride.
October issue of Motor Boating has a good article about the 320 Cuddy. They took the boat from Stuart, Fla to Marsh Harbour Bahamas in 6 foot seas on the way out and over 8' waves on the way back. The author ended by saying that he would think twice about making the return trip again in a 32' open boat, "but not in the 320-it handled the seas like a 42."
posted 11-20-2005 12:39 PM ET (US)
"but not in the 320-it handled the seas like a 42."
Either BW paid this guy, or he is smoking...
You cannot compare a 32 open to a 42 ft. anything...maybe the cuddy rides better with more weight at the bow, but you cannot get air under the hull because it lands hard.
posted 11-20-2005 04:21 PM ET (US)
TightlinesPE, do you have ADSS on you boat. The test boat was equipped with this and they were quite impressed. This may account for some of the praise.
posted 11-20-2005 05:30 PM ET (US)
I do not have ADSS but it should tell you something if a manufacturer has to come up with something to make the ride feel better!
I don't mean to knock the boat, but I am impressed with everything but the ride. I have also heard from my dealer that the ADSS system isn't as great as it seems, but I can't really comment on it since I have no experience.
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