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Yiddil posted 12-30-2005 09:35 PM ET (US)   Profile for Yiddil   Send Email to Yiddil  
Okay, Heres the issue...

Thinking of re-painting the bottom of my Nantucket in March and need some help in figuring how to take the Nantucket and prop her on boat stands from the trailer she came with. I have never tryed this before so I'm asking for "How To" from you all with experience. I', thinking you prop the stands under the boat and lower the trailer somehow(maybe take the air out of the tires) Please don't chuckle at me...just guessing here....Is there an organized way to do this? Maybe the stands can be extended up lifting the boat up from the trailer????? Please give me a blow by blow...thanks in advance,

Henry AKA THE YIDDIL

PS Yes I know a Marina could do it, but that wouldnt be fun for me:)))

where2 posted 12-30-2005 10:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
You want to have atleast 2 extra stands and VERY level ground, preferably concrete. (nice to have 2 side stands and 4 keel stands at a minimum) If you have to place the stands on grass/gravel/asphalt, be sure that you have some sort of plywood or something under the stands to disburse the weight, and chain the side stands to one another so they cannot move apart.

Proceedure, let the tongue jack ALL the way down so that the transom raises up as high as possible. Place 2 side stands and 1 keel stand under the transom to support the boat. Now, raise the jack wheel as high as possible, and place a keel stand somewhere in front of the axle. Lower the trailer jack wheel until the trailer is moveable under the boat. Move the trailer forward until it is near the stand you placed in front of the axle. Insert another keel stand in front of the axle forward of the original. Lower the original and move it back behind the axle. Creep the trailer forward until the axle or the rear cross member is near one of the two keel stands. Move which ever stand needs to be moved and continue inching the trailer out from under the boat.

(Did this with a 25' Whaler Frontier, just take your time). My uncle was in the process of removing his 19' boat from the trailer using a foam block at the transom for support, and a jack on some blocks of wood under the keel near the front when it toppled on him fracturing his pelvis (Very lucky man!). In his case, it would have been far cheaper to have the marina repaint the boat bottom. The really sad part is that my father (his brother) owns a set of boat jack stands for this very purpose, and he did not bother to borrow them. (sometimes using the right equipment for a job is worth a little extra effort). My uncle lives 3.5 hours away...

Bulldog posted 12-31-2005 07:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bulldog  Send Email to Bulldog     
Henry, let the marina do it, it is nasty stuff, and I don't want to her some excuse at Chestertown that my back hurts! Happy New Year buddy...............Jack
kamie posted 12-31-2005 10:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
At least let the marina put her on stands and take her off. Those things are expensive, at $75~$100 per stand that's one expensive paint job. Of course if you do buy your own stands, let me know so I can borrow them. :)

where2 posted 12-31-2005 11:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
The first year you buy the stands it seems expensive. The second year you use the stands, you're glad you bought the stands even if they were kinda expensive, and the third year you use the stands you can barely remember what you paid for them, but whatever it was it was worth it. The fourth year you use the stands, you wonder how you ever got along without them?

The first time your friend borrows the stands, you charge him $20/wk with a 2 week minimum. We've found that you have to put some incentive into the equation to get the stands back in a timely manner. Otherwise, friends borrow the stands for 3 months at a time...

kamie posted 01-01-2006 12:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
hmmm $40 for 2 weeks to take the bottom paint off, wet sand and buff the hull and I will never have to bottom paint again.. Henry, on second though buy those stands, sounds like a great idea. If you can't do it at the marina, you can prop Das boat up in the front yard, that way the stands will already be at my place.
Yiddil posted 01-01-2006 08:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Thanks for all the replys:)

where2, thanks for the blow by blow....sounds doable with assistance....

BullDog my Friend...My Back hurts everyday of the year!!!Spine surgery does that to a 56 year old body! SOme days more than others...and especially in 4 footers on a 19 footer:) Don't worry, Ill be there this year again:)(Chestertowne gettogether)

Kamie my slip buddy:)The price of borrowing those stands just went way up:))))

I have no idea what they would charge at the Marina anymore for this work, but it Im sure is like a few hundred dollors...and Since I already have next years paint ....I painted last year on the trailer and that was justa touch up...but this year I may do it myself, even though WHaler owes me a paint job...theres flaked off in parts...bad prep me thinks...but if anyone has any other ideas, please spill your guts:)

whos helping??? wink:)

kamie posted 01-01-2006 10:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
I said I would help. Even offered to let you park it in the front yard. Although not sure the front yard is considered stable. Last time I was at the house after a heavy rain the front was more bog like than yard like. I do have sheets of plywood in the house you can use, (don't ask why they are there). Have to be careful when the inspectors come around for the dock, they may declare the place a wetland. Just in case your garage is too full with the jetski, you can even lock the stands in the shed at my place. And just to show you what a great friend I am, I will even give you an almost full quart of paint. I know it's red but if you use is on the very bottom no one will ever know. :)

where2 posted 01-01-2006 11:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
It's doable with 2 people, just so there's someone to call 911. I think it basically took 2 of us to jack the 25' Frontier off it's trailer at work, once the weight is off the trailer it rolls pretty well, on shell rock. Even on shell rock, we used 3/4" plywood squares under the stands. You can never be too cautious.

Just be sure your substrate is solid. That whole wetland preamble Kamie is talking about doesn't sound like anything I'd consider "solid". Trust me when I say: You Don't want the stands to start sinking into the substrate... Bottom paint at the marina is not nearly as expensive as bottom repairs if the boat were to fall on one of those stands because something shifted. (use your own judgement, you've seen the site and know whether Kamie is joking or being serious about the "wetland").

Yiddil posted 01-01-2006 11:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Thats to cool Kamie!!! A red and black bottomed Nantucket!! I bet that will fetch a great price as a one of a kind on fleabay! A wetland? Geeeze!thank goodness it will dry out!Hey I have plywood in my Garage...not sure why I have it there...Oh I Know, it was a work bench with saw horses...when I painted my shutters ( not with boat paint)although its blue:0

REally, I like to try and buy and use stands, and NOT drop her on the ground! seems to me its a bit tricky, but If I could just raise her a few inches off that trailer I could get to the areas I need to....

Then again, there always Richard and the WHaler dealer ....

Yiddil posted 01-02-2006 11:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
where2.

Thanks for your help. Im sure if I do this it will be in a flat and solid grounded area. AT the very least, I know what I'm up against to start off with. Seems if you take your time and do things slowly, it should be okay. Now all I have to do is either think about buying the darn stands or borrowing them from the marina, or someother place should I decide to take a run at this...I enjoy the work as long as my back holds up, and I usually hurt pretty good after a boat painting for a while, but always feel great that I did the job myself...From what Ive seen, people use two stands in the area below the bow in the edge of the boat, two on the stern at the edge on either side, can't remembering seeing more than 6 all around the sides, nothing on the keel itself...you got any pics???/

Thanks Henry

kamie posted 01-03-2006 09:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Henry,

At the marina they use 3 stands down each side and 6X6 and 2X6 under the keel for support. I agree with where2, use the correct equipment for the job.

The decision is yours, drag the boat to the dealer, pay the marina or buy the stands and do it yourself. The key is to stay safe, you and the boat.

where2 posted 01-04-2006 10:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
I just happen to have a couple of photos we took as the guy who refurbished the boat for us was reloading it on the trailer to drag it to his shop. It's not the best photo, but you get the idea. Turns out we had 4 tilting top stands and 4 "V" keel stands.

http://tfn.net/~wendtm/whaler_on_stands.jpg

She looked much better after the refurb: http://tfn.net/~wendtm/whaler1side.jpg No more large gold letters or stars!

uhu posted 01-05-2006 01:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for uhu  Send Email to uhu     
Where2 - nice job on the Frontier. What year is it. Just got one myself but the cab is a bit different.
Yiddil posted 01-05-2006 09:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Gorgeous Boat Man!!

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