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cschorer1979 posted 01-06-2006 03:29 PM ET (US)   Profile for cschorer1979   Send Email to cschorer1979  
Hey everyone,

I just wanted to let everyone know that Mercury has put a new 6 year extended warranty on all Verado engines!

As of January 1st all Verados will have this extended warranty plan.

Also, I have to thank Sal for his excellent pictures of the NYC boat show. I close on a new 190 Outrage this Saturday and I saw the picture of the extended warranty on all Mercury engines from his pictures.

I promptly emailed my Whaler dealer to confirm the warranty program. If it was not for Sals pictures, I'm not sure if the dealer would have told me/found out about the program before I signed.

If anyone has any questions just let me know. Thanks again.

Craig

Sal A posted 01-06-2006 03:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Go get her Craig!

Best of luck.

fishgutz posted 01-06-2006 03:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for fishgutz  Send Email to fishgutz     
Do Verados NEED an extended warranty?
When I go to Circuit City or Best Buy or a car dealer for that matter and they tell me I'll need the extended warranty, its an instant deal breaker.
Sal A posted 01-06-2006 03:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
I have 5 years warranty on my F250. I don't care how reliable your brand, in salt air and water, to quote Christopher Walken, "you're gonna want that cowbell."

"The cat can walk baby."

cschorer1979 posted 01-06-2006 03:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for cschorer1979  Send Email to cschorer1979     
Fishgutz,

No, I don't think the Verados "need" the extended warranty. But when you are dealing with such advanced technology, I think it's best to have a back up.

Just wanted to let everyone know.

Craig

cschorer1979 posted 01-06-2006 03:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for cschorer1979  Send Email to cschorer1979     
Ohhhhh and Sal........


I got a Fever!!!!!!!!

And the only prescription...is more cowbell!!!!!!!!!

sosmerc posted 01-06-2006 04:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for sosmerc  Send Email to sosmerc     
http://www.mercurymarine.com/promotions3

Merc just posted their "promotions" on their website.
Also Offered:
5 years Warranty on all Optimax Models

The Verado gets either a 5 year warranty plus $600 Rebate...or a 6 year Warranty and no cash back.

Other 4 strokes get a warranty extension as well.

At today's prices...I'd like to see 0 percent 5 year fianacing !!

fishgutz posted 01-06-2006 04:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for fishgutz  Send Email to fishgutz     
OK maybe its sour grapes. Merc no longer makes a motor that I can use on my boat.
sosmerc posted 01-06-2006 04:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for sosmerc  Send Email to sosmerc     
Forgot to mention......engines must be purchases and registered by April 15th in order to receive the special promotional offers.
rtk posted 01-06-2006 04:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for rtk  Send Email to rtk     
I purchased both my Mercury engines during the boat show season and got the two year extended warranties on both.

The Mercury extended warranty incentive does not appear to be an "aftermarket" third party warranty. The warranty cards for both engines list my warranty expires 4 and 5 years from the purchase date.

A six year factory backed warranty on a marine engine is incredible. It looks like the Mercury warranty program is a good one too.

Good luck with your new boat with that Verado on it!

Rich

LHG posted 01-06-2006 04:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
With that $600 rebate on Verados, the quote I just got for a "loose" 150 Verado comes to $9400, the same as the Optimax 150. Not bad, including the 5 year FACTORY warranty. That makes the Verado a "no-brainer".

I think this extended warranty stuff is just keeping up with the hungrier "Joneses", like Evinrude and Suzuki. So the big players (Mercury, Yamaha, Honda) HAVE to offer it also. But some are better than others under close scrutiny, keeping the warranty "in-house".

I still say that almost all of the new engines are so good, that if optional, always take whatever cash up front you can get

sosmerc posted 01-06-2006 05:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for sosmerc  Send Email to sosmerc     
Fishgutz.....Mercury is not charging for these extended warranties during the promotion period...so it is an "incentive" to buy now. Should help to build confidence knowing that Merc thinks they can afford to cover new engines for this long. With the cost of parts and labor these days it could save someone a considerable amount of money should they encounter a problem.
If you were looking for a new engine, what are your "requirements"? Just curious as to why you think Merc doesn't offer anything you would be interested in.
Peter posted 01-06-2006 05:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Problem for Mercury is that no amount of rebate will help compensate for the Verado's excess weight problem but it sure does make them the best deal going on a per pound basis. ;)
Teak Oil posted 01-06-2006 05:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
That doesnt make much sense, 5 years and $600 back or 6 years and no cash. Who on Earth would pay $600 for one more year of warranty?
Buckda posted 01-06-2006 05:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Someone who bought a FICHT new and got screwed?

Some people are more risk-averse than others. As owners of Boston Whalers, arguably the safest boats on the water, we should all understand that mentality, even if we don't completely subscribe to it, eh?

Why buy a Volvo instead of a Ford? For some, it's all about the safety rating. Having the security of 6-years of factory-backed coverage is a pretty tempting and comforting proposition.

I wish BRP was offering the same - instead, you get 3 years factory-backed and then 4 additional years with a third-party. Longer coverage, but not the same as the manufacturer saying: "give it back to us, we'll fix it at our cost."

One thing is for sure; either Mercury is going to win big on this type of gamble, or if they have some major problems with the blower, they're going to pay big-time, but I'll give them props for stepping to the plate and owning the entire risk.

LHG posted 01-06-2006 06:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
20 - 40 pounds of excess weight doens't mean a darn thing once the engine is bolted on your transom. I learned that when I powered my 18 Outrage. Back in 1989, when I powered my 25 Outrage, the OMC 200's were EACH 75# heavier than the Merc 200's. But plenty of WD 25's went out with these overweight OMCs on them anyway, to no ill effect.

Most people here ought to be concerned about 20-40 pounds of extra weight on their bodies rather than on their transoms!

sosmerc posted 01-06-2006 06:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for sosmerc  Send Email to sosmerc     
"Most people here ought to be concerned about 20-40 pounds of extra weight on their bodies rather than on their transoms! "

How true....maybe Merc could encorporate this into a clever new tv commercial....maybe some really fat guy and his fat doll trying to get their boat up on plane (with somebody else's four stroke on the transom ;-)....and then a later shot of them jumping on plane with a new Verado on the transom ! :->

Peter posted 01-06-2006 07:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Larry -- Seems to me that the Verado 135/150/175 would need to lose about 100 lbs to be a HP to weight leader instead of the laggard. That's the equivalent of a 9.9 HP Mercury 4-stroke kicker and bracket on the back of classic 18 Outrage. Put a Verado on the back of a classic 18 Outrage, or a new 190 Outrage for that matter (assuming one can mount a kicker to the transom of a 190 Outrage), and the kicker option is gone. Thus, in some cases, the excess weight of the Verado design has just killed Mercury's ability to co-sell a kicker to those that want a kicker outboard option.

With respect to the 25 Outrage WD, the difference is that the 25 Outrage WD was designed with the weight of the OMC V6 outboard in mind.

The Verado may turn out to be a marvelous piece of machinery but it has an undeniable weight problem and no cash rebate or extra warranty will ever fix the business/applications problems that excess weight causes for Mercury.

fishgutz posted 01-06-2006 10:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for fishgutz  Send Email to fishgutz     
Peter hit the nail on the head.
I have a Dauntless 14. My 75 2 stroke Merc weighs 305lb. That is pretty close to max. I'd go maybe at the absolute max about 15 or maybe even 20 lb. more. A 60 4 stroke weighs in light but it won't have enough power. 30 to 33 mph won't do it for me. Not when I'm doing 40 mph now.
All the new Mercs are heavy. As are Hondas and Suzukis. I'm waiting to see if Yamaha comes up with something new and lighter. Right now if I had to repower I'd look at an Evinrude 75 E-tec. Nissan and Tohatsu are in the running weightwise but the jury is still out on how good they are.

Bottom line is Merc needs a diet to get my business. Luckily my motor is running good.

Personally, the smell of burning oil takes me back to my childhood and Grandpas resort and his 1956 15 Evinrude on a 14 foot Alumacraft. I can never get those days back and I didn't appreciate it then as much as I would now. I love that smell.
Also maybe I'm a closet Harley guy but I love a loud motor, too.

sosmerc posted 01-06-2006 10:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for sosmerc  Send Email to sosmerc     
Sounds like the Nissan/Tohatsu 90 TLDI @ 314 lbs. might be just the ticket. I've heard they run very nicely and have been very dependable. The TLDI uses the same DFI system as the Optimax ;)...it's a good system.
I have one customer with a 70 Tohatsu on his 15ft. Whaler...and it has been an excellent engine for him.
TexasWhaler posted 01-09-2006 02:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for TexasWhaler  Send Email to TexasWhaler     
LHG stated: "With that $600 rebate on Verados, the quote I just got for a "loose" 150 Verado comes to $9400, the same as the Optimax 150. Not bad, including the 5 year FACTORY warranty. That makes the Verado a "no-brainer".

Not from where I'm standing. You're talking about a motor (the Verado), that is a whopping 80 lbs heavier than the Opti, and does NOT have the low-end performance and acceleration of the DFI 2-stroke. You notice Merc is always careful to state that the Verado is the best performing 4-stroke. Even they know that it cannot out perform the Optimax.

Both the Verado and the Opitmax have their pros and cons.

I suspect the 3-star 150 Optimax is right around the corner.

LHG posted 01-09-2006 02:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
But if you're not drag racing your Whaler, and racing WOT offshore, the Verado clobbers the old Optimax technology in overall running & steering quality, overall performance, gets same fuel economy, super quiet operation, DTS control, mid-range acceleration and pure snob appeal. Unless a boat is badly underpowered, the computers in modern outboards are showing how little an engine is run WOT or even above 4500 RPM. And I know of nobody who seems to be selling a 4-stroke and going back to a 2-stroke DFI.

Where I boat in the winter months, Verados are showing up all over the place, on high value boats in single, dual, triple and even quadruple installations, on lifts behind high value waterfront homes, on yacht tenders, and you see them continuously & daily. The Optimax seems to be becoming the average boater's new outboard, except for the higher cost XS models!

Look for a soon to be updated Verado photobucket picture gallery. None of this means I can afford to own one (or two), but I know quality when I see it and it's fun to dream a little

Teak Oil posted 01-09-2006 04:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
The fact that the wealthy have Verados means nothing except that they have money to waste and want the most expensive, obnoxious thing on the backs of their boats.

Because you are rich does not mean you know how to pick the best outboard, and I fail to see what that has to do with Verados and their six year warranty.

sosmerc posted 01-09-2006 06:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for sosmerc  Send Email to sosmerc     
Not trying to "push" one technology over the other (I have been a die-hard 2 stroke guy for 15+ years)...BUT...the Boston Whaler performance specs available on their website seem to indicate the Verado is pretty strong off the line...even when compared to Optimax. Credit the supercharger for giving Verado a slight edge in instant bottom end grunt. I think there are good arguments for both technologies. Verado appears to be off to a better start than the early Optimax models...but I'm still waiting to hear from longer term users before I draw too many conclusions. Darn, I wish Merc would send me a 175 Verado for me to evaluate on my 199818ft. Ventura!!
TexasWhaler posted 01-09-2006 06:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for TexasWhaler  Send Email to TexasWhaler     
Keep in mind, these same tests by Boston Whaler also indicate that a Dauntless 220 planes out faster with a 200 Optimax, than it does with a 225 Optimax.

They also conveniently made sure the Dauntless had 90 gallons of fuel AND 12 gallons if water when testing the Optimax. It only had 38 gallons of fuel and NO water when testing the Verado.
The Verado is a great motor, no doubt. But's kind of a shame that Merc is almost trying to make the Optimax look bad on purpose, in order to further Verado sales.

LHG posted 01-09-2006 07:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Tex - Your claims are erroneous.

First of all the 225 Verado was the fastest top end, and in the between the two Optimaxs in acceleration, not a bad showing at all for a supposedly clunky old 4-stroke! And from the B&WB shootouts, we know the Optimaxs are not slow engines.

And you did not take into account the weather at the two times of testing. The Opti's were tested in Nov, when Edgewater's weather is cool and dry, no humidity.

The Verado was tested in late May, when it is hot and humid in Edgewater, weather which can sap as much as 15% of the horsepower. So lightened fuel load helps level the playing field in performance. I don't think Boston Whaler is cheating prospective buyers of their boat and power packages at all.

The Evinrude lobby here, panicked over the power and performance of the Verados, has actually been outsmarted and has been wrongly accusing Boston Whaler and Mercury of doctoring fuel weights, like you, to make the Verado's look good. I think BW/Merc should be given a little more credit for not being that stupid, and understanding the mechanics of internal combustion engines as affected by weather conditions, better than most here do! Don't you live in one of those hot humid climates?

TexasWhaler posted 01-09-2006 08:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for TexasWhaler  Send Email to TexasWhaler     
LHG,
Nothing I stated above can be proven as erroneous. All the facts listed were accurate, the only thing that could be debated, was my comment about Merc purposely making the Optimax line seem lackluster.

Plus, the difference in the water temps for the Optimax and Verado tests was 9 degrees. I don't think that's enough to equate to a 200 lb difference in weight.

I just really think the Optimax lineup - especially the 3-star models, don't get enough credit.


Peter posted 01-09-2006 08:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Larry -- The weather slant is an absolutely facinating story that just doesn't hold any water. See www.whaler.com/Rec/pdfs/270OutrageEng.pdf .

I'll repeat the material facts here to save you time:

Verado 225s tested on June 29, 2004 with air temp at 86F, water temp at 86F, 50 gallons of fuel, 0 gallons of water (total weight 7,328 lbs) -- top speed 56.3 MPH at 51.1 GPH, time to plane 3.4 seconds, time to 30 MPH 7.3 seconds.

Optimax 225s tested on June 6, 2002 with the air temp at 86F, water temp at 80F, 200 gallons of fuel, 20 gallons of water (total weight 8,027 lbs) -- top speed 56.2 MPH at 42 GPH, time to plane and time to 30 MPH unpublished (wonder why?).

Let me guess. Next we're going to hear that they lightened the Verado boat because it was running in warmer less dense water. LOL.

TexasWhaler posted 01-09-2006 08:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for TexasWhaler  Send Email to TexasWhaler     
Here's a great thread that also points out what were discussing here. There's even a great quote from you:
LHG: "It is beginning to appear that these Optimax's are such great performers, that even the new 4-stroke Verados are having a difficult time matching them."

Anyway, take note of the first few posts from Perry and Peter.

Am I missing something?

TexasWhaler posted 01-09-2006 08:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for TexasWhaler  Send Email to TexasWhaler     
Oooops. Here's the thread:
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/003809.html

TexasWhaler posted 01-09-2006 08:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for TexasWhaler  Send Email to TexasWhaler     
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/003809.html
LHG posted 01-09-2006 08:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
If I understand it correctly, it is air temp combined with humidity (moisture content) that decreases HP, not water temp. Actually, the biggest factor in decreasing an engine's HP output, I believe, is relative humidity and soggy air.
LHG posted 01-29-2006 05:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
I refer you back up this thread to "Teak Oil's" post of 01/09/06 for re-reading, in reference to this Verado powered boat photo:

http://photobucket.com/albums/v429/lgoltz/Verados/?action=view& current=Scan0012.jpg .

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