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Perry posted 01-09-2006 07:52 PM ET (US)   Profile for Perry   Send Email to Perry  
I just came from my local Boston Whaler dealer because I saw a bunch of new 2006 boats on the lot. I noticed a 255 Conquesst powered by twin 115 Mercury 4 strokes (non Verado) and a 190 Outrage powered by a Mercury 115 4 stroke(also a non Verado). Both of these boats are right at the minimum HP rating. They will probably be on display at the boat show. Why put the minimun HP on these boats? Priced low for the boat show? The buyer will regret it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/perrycl/Picture0762.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/perrycl/Picture0732.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/perrycl/Picture0752.jpg

And an example of a VERY underpowered Classic Outrage 18 at the same dealership:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/perrycl/Picture0792.jpg

deepwater posted 01-09-2006 08:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
if its a package deal than thats wat the boat comes with and your right once under powered your stuck till its payed for and than several years till you can get a better moter they seem to be selling low prices i hope ppl ask for a demo ride first,that should weeed them out
sosmerc posted 01-10-2006 12:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for sosmerc  Send Email to sosmerc     
Looking at the size and bulk of the new engines, most newbie's will think they have ALL the power they need. No substitute for a demo ride before signing on the dotted line!
Maybe at the price of gas these days, the dealer is thinking they won't put in more than 10-20 gallons at a time and thus the performance will be adequate for the load?!!:)
bigjohn1 posted 01-10-2006 01:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1  Send Email to bigjohn1     
Perry--Is it possible that that particular dealer is targetting the local coastal fishing crowd? Here in Guam, about 98% of the boaters are fishermen and they seem to habitually under-power their boats (using the standard we normally discuss on this forum). Most reason that since they troll 99% of the time at speeds less than 15 knots, they can buy "more boat" by buying "less engine". I'm not so sure I agree with this but it does seem to be the local thought around here.
Perry posted 01-10-2006 01:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Johm, I live in Hawaii and many people here use their Whalers for fishing, like the Outrage 18 in the photo. The Conquest 255 is more of a pleasure boat. That's why I think it's odd to put twin 115 four-stroke motors on it.

I fish a lot and don't need a 60 MPH boat but when the bay is calm, it's fun to open it up, that's why I had the 115 4 stroke removed and put on the Honda:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/perrycl/Picture005.jpg

uhu posted 01-10-2006 03:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for uhu  Send Email to uhu     
Perry - boy those pics look familiar - LOL, your going to make people who are in the dead of winter real jealous - good thing I am out here with you.

bigjohn1 - will have to remember your name. The distribution area for my product is Hawaii, California, and yes Guam. So hopefully will make it down there soon to find some sub-distributors and also fish a bit.
Aloha
Kevin

bigjohn1 posted 01-10-2006 06:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1  Send Email to bigjohn1     
Kevin, bring it on and lets fish....my 170 MONTAUK is the Blue Water Hunter operated out of the Agat Marina.

Perry - that photo is a keeper for sure and looks just like our island environment here. Perhaps we should get together and discuss rust prevention measures:-)

tombro posted 01-10-2006 07:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for tombro  Send Email to tombro     
I'm thinking: Hawaii=Kona=Bluewater nearby...just start trolling past the breakwater.
Here in the Northeast US, a similar Conquest 255 would likely be rigged with dual Verado 150's to make the sell to the offshore fisherman.
TomG posted 01-10-2006 09:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for TomG  Send Email to TomG     
I think underpowering is a dealer's way of dealing with sticker shock...especially at boat shows. As new boat and motor prices go up and up, newbie buyers can be easily frightened away. Lower package prices give the dealer a chance to ease buyers into the real pricing. You are right, Perry...they aren't doing the buyers any favors in the long run...an underpowered boat is not going to keep them satisfied.
Peter posted 01-10-2006 10:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
It's the Walmart approach....lure you into the store with what seems to be a great low price, low margin deal and then hopefully sell you up to something more expensive and more profitable.
captbone posted 01-14-2006 02:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for captbone  Send Email to captbone     
Even Boston Whaler is guilty of this in this day and age. They purposely kept the max HP on the 13sport down to 30hp when it came out in 2000. This way they claim the package (30hp 2 stroke carb) is at max HP. The 25hp four stroke (which many say is underpowered) was an option. After alittle while when they had some on the market, they bumped up the HP to 40hp max and then started selling with the more expensive 40 EFI four stroke or the standard 40hp 2 stroke. I feel that this is possible what they are doing with the new 17 montauk also.

Most boat companies are being pressured by marketing to target the less informed boats.

Bayliner does everything possible to keep their 18ft i/o bowrider package at $9999.00

The new Searay 600 is only 55ft LOA!

The Grady White Overnighter 20ft with a 150hp four stroke is 51k (no price increase from last year they claim) but that is because they removed the hyd. steering and bimini.

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