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cschorer1979 posted 01-11-2006 04:28 PM ET (US)   Profile for cschorer1979   Send Email to cschorer1979  
I finally picked up my new 190 Outrage today and I could not be happier!!

It's fully loaded with a brand new 2006 150 Verado and I can't wait to take her out. Now, I just have to wait until April to launch her :( Thankfully I'll have the winter to install electronics.

Thanks to everyone who helped me make this decision. I was going back and fourth between the Outrage, a used Dauntless, a Robalo but I think I made the right decision with the 190 Outrage. So once again, thanks.

One question I do have, those with an Outrage or a 190 Nantucket, how far out do you take the boat? My main use for the boat is to do striper and blue fishing as well as pulling my lobster pots. However, one day I was hoping to take her giant blue fin fishing. Can this boat make it? Obviously I realize I would have to pick my days, but could this boat handle it? I'm thinking it's about 6 feet to short, but what does everyone else think?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again.

Craig

bluewaterpirate posted 01-11-2006 04:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Congrats know ur still grinning. So r u going to sleep onboard tonight? Follow the break in procedures for ur Verado to the letter. Ur going to loke the power package.

Good Luck & Tight lines !!!!!! Post some pictures!

Tom

Bulldog posted 01-11-2006 04:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bulldog  Send Email to Bulldog     
Congradulations, on getting a nice boat and having a garage big enough for it! Warren "W/T" heads out pretty far in his Montauk 170, picking the nice days and being around somebody is good, it is then more a matter of how much gas you would need!.........Jack
Buckda posted 01-11-2006 04:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Depending on the economy that your engine provides, and if you run in company....those are the only things limiting the offshore capabilities of that boat, when you've picked your weather days. (And of course, the skill of the captain.)

My "comfort" range in my 18' Outrage is about 120 miles round trip with my current setup. If I brought a few extra tanks of gas aboard, I would not hesitate to take the boat offshore 30-40 miles with an efficient kicker....but probably only in the company of another boat. Since that 4stroke motor is likely a miser on fuel burn at troll, you are likely to be able to run quite a while on about 3-4 gallons of gas.


Since you have a 60 gallon tank, let's figure it out.

Assumptions: Calm day, good conditions, full tank of gas, and your rig achieves about 8 MPG at troll and 4 MPG at cruise speed.

For safety, you want to observe the rule of 1/3rds for fuel, knowing that you will likely not need it - consider it an insurance policy. We'll also give you a 5-gallon jerry-can of fuel that you will hypothetically bring along with you "just in case" - however we won't use this in the calculations.

So...you have 40 gallons to burn in the course of your day - the trip out, the trip back and trolling for your fish. We'll keep the other 20 gallons in reserve as insurance in case you fight a building swell or an oncoming cold front on your way home.

Say your troll at 4 MPH for 6 hours of fishing: that's 24 miles covered while trolling, divide by 8 MPG. 6.5 gallons burned in the hunt for fish. Round up to 7 Gallons.

That gives you 33 gallons for the trip out and back. - so about 16 gallons...at 4 MPG, you can run out about 64 miles. Theoretically.

I'm pretty cautious, so I'd build in a buffer zone which puts you at the 40 mile mark.

This summer, I ran about 60 miles total across Lake Superior, in the company of other Whalers, and at a cruise of between 22-26 MPH and burned about 20 gallons (if I remember correctly) of gas.

Remember, while the tank has a 60 gallon capacity, it may actually only hold 55 gallons of "usable" gas...somthing to determine or estimate and account for before you make an offshore run.

As always, proper safety gear is a must for this type of run. Did I mention you should do it with other boats? You don't have the benefit of twin engines.

Dave

LHG posted 01-11-2006 05:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
You've got me drooling over that Darth Vader looking engine, and I think you made the right decision. Congratulations on your good taste in boats.

But if you could, I would be interested in how you came to the decision to pay up for the Verado power over the price of the standard Optimax 150. I'm sure a lot readers here are struggling with the same decision, either for a new Whaler, or as a re-power option.

Buckda posted 01-11-2006 05:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
The one thing I really like about the 4 strokes is that idle speed fuel consumption.

Figure this: on most "classic" 2-strokes, you're better off running at cruise, getting 3 MPG than at idle, getting 2.8 MPG....sure it gets you home faster, etc.; but what if you don't have enough fuel to get you home at 3 MPG, your best economy figure?

With the 4-stroke, you get say, 4 MPG at cruise, but if you back off and idle home, you double that range (sometimes more than that). So if you're tight on fuel, you may be late, but you can idle towards home at a very efficient use of fuel.

Now, that's not an efficient use of time, and it provides the weather opportunity to go South on you, but still.


Nice boat, by the way. I'll be anxious to hear about your actual performance figures.

Dave

cschorer1979 posted 01-11-2006 05:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for cschorer1979  Send Email to cschorer1979     
Hey LHG,

Well, I was honestly trying to decide between the Verado and the Yamaha 150 4 stroke. The only thing that was originally holding me back from the Verado was the warranty program of only 3 years. The Yamaha had a 6 year program. I realize that the Verado is heavier, but the techonology is unreal!! I have driven the outrage with the Verado and it felt great.

So to make a long story short...once Mercury increased the Verado warranty to 6 years I really thought it was a no brainer. I have a great mercury dealer close to me so I decided to go with the Verado.

I ended up paying just over 35K for everything, which I thought was a great deal. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Craig

Sal A posted 01-11-2006 05:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
What options did you get on her? That sounds like a fantastic price.
Kencvit posted 01-11-2006 05:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kencvit  Send Email to Kencvit     
cshoror,
Fully loaded? did you have the factory installed lenco trim tabs?
cschorer1979 posted 01-11-2006 05:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for cschorer1979  Send Email to cschorer1979     
Sorry guys, it did not have trim tabs. Here is what it does have:

Bimini top with boot
Bow cushon
Leaning post with livewell
54 qt padded cooler
fishing package
swim ladder
Verado 150

Top of my head that's what I've got, I'll let you know if I'm missing something.

Any questions let me know.

Craig

Sal A posted 01-11-2006 05:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Sounds loaded to me!

I'd add the Mills bow dodger: www.millscanvas.com and tabs. You are going to love the boat; I loved mine! I am amazed at the price you struck. Good job. The "ny boat show special" was $40k and change and didn't have all the options you got.

cschorer1979 posted 01-11-2006 05:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for cschorer1979  Send Email to cschorer1979     
Hey Sal,

How far did you go out on your old Nantucket?

Sal A posted 01-11-2006 05:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
If you happen to talk to your dealer, can you ask if they corrected the earler Nantucket livewell problems? I am sure they must have, or we would have heard a lot more about it on the various boards. Earlier livewells were too thin on the bottom, and the water broke through.

And let's see pictures!

Sal A posted 01-11-2006 05:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
I stayed near shore on mine; within 10 miles of the NJ coast, and only that far once. We fluked for the most part. By the way an added benefit to that bow dodger is that if you catch a wave coming across the bow (I did... 2-4 quickly turned to 4-6 waves one afternoon we were out), the dodger deflects most of it.

I have friends that routinely go out 20 miles in 18 foot boats, and yours is much more boat than theirs (I won't mention brands). I am just pretty new to getting my sea legs.

This year we will go out much farther, as my new-to-me boat is bigger and has got some range.

Kencvit posted 01-11-2006 05:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kencvit  Send Email to Kencvit     
I took the advice/suggestion of Sal and Riddel and got a mills Dodger.
Its great even in nice weather to break the wind and sun for the kids and girls . Lots of headroom to sit under and it doesn`t obstruct the helm view. A window thats removeable at the bow adds bow visibility and a breeze if you want to open it. A must have acessory
Perry posted 01-11-2006 05:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Wow! 35 Grand for that package is a great deal. I have a 2005 190 Nannucket with a Honda BF135 and I go 20+ miles offshore often. Even if the seas are rough, I feel safe in this boat.

According to my Navman 3100 fuel flow meter, I get around 7 MPG at cruise (3500 RPM.) and .2 GPH at slow trolling speed. With your 4 stroke motor, you should also have good range enabeling you to fish offshore all day long.

Good luck waiting until spring to try her out

LHG posted 01-11-2006 06:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
At a price like that, and considering you get pre-installed DTS control and Smartcraft, it appears the Verado packaged boats are being reasonably priced. Doesn't seem to make much sense to go for the 2-stroke Optimax now.

I'd be curious as to what prop they supplied, style and pitch. Vengeance, perhaps? I think I'd want a Revoulution-4.

rtk posted 01-11-2006 10:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for rtk  Send Email to rtk     
That's a real nice package, congrats and good luck with her.
I really like that boat alot.

According to the Boston Whaler website, the 150 Verado is only about $1100 more than the 150 Optimax. Only $2000 more than the 135 Optimax.

Given the fact you get an extra year of warranty with the Verado compared to the Optimax, the difference in price is alot less than the $1100 upgrade charge.

The 150 Verado does look like the logical choice.

www.whaler.com/Rec/pdfs/190OutrageEng.pdf

Take a look at the performance reports for the 150 Verado. It will give you a good idea of the range you have with this engine/boat combination.

How far out do you fish for the giant bluefin tuna up there?

The biggest problem you may have is getting that fish home when you do catch it : ) But wouldn't it be nice if that is the only problem we faced in life!

Enjoy

Rich

Buckda posted 01-11-2006 10:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Just to confirm - I checked my trip report/log tonight: 59.9 miles on the GPS and burned 19.4 gallons, in 1-3 foot lake chop.

Your range should be very nice with that Verado.

Dave

LHG posted 01-11-2006 11:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Those performance figures are interesting. And unlike some accusations, all engines seem to be tested in similar temp/humidity conditions and fuel loads.

The 135 Verado seems like the best "bang for your buck", saving initial cost and only giving up an insignificant 1 mph top end.

It also appears the 150 Optimax has a misprint in 0-30 time at 5.6 seconds, as all three others are 8.0 - 9.0. I say this because in comparison to the 135 Optimax, I have never noticed any 0-30 time difference of any significance. If not, the 150 Opti is a unique screamer in acceleration compared to the 135 Opti, which is strange for such similar engines.

These figures seem to show that the Verados can keep up with the fastest of the 2-stroke DFI's, and only sacrifice some fuel economy above 4500 RPM. For the rewards of the Verado system, that seems to be well worth it to me, considering the favorable price extra.

Now, I can hardly wait to see a new 190 Montauk with a 135 Verado on it! Like the 170, that should be a boat with strong appeal to the classicists here. I hope it has an adult sized console in it.

macfam posted 01-12-2006 12:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for macfam  Send Email to macfam     
cschorer1979,

Did you see the Boston weather forcast for Thursday?

Very tempting.........

TexasWhaler posted 01-13-2006 11:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for TexasWhaler  Send Email to TexasWhaler     
Larry Larry Larry,
I hope Peter or someone else jumps in here.
The Verados are great engines, no doubt.
They are the fastest, most powerful 4-strokes, no doubt.
But you are sorely mistaken if you think the Verados are as fast (especially in the idle to 30 area) as DFI 2-strokes.
Even the Whaler tests for the 190 Outrage, shows the idle to 30 time for the Optimax 150 as 5.6 seconds - no that's not a misprint.
The 150 Verado's time is 9.0 seconds - that's not a misprint.
The top speeds are 44.5 for the Optimax, and 44.3 for the Verado.


LHG posted 01-13-2006 02:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Is the 135 Optimax a misprint when copared to a 135 Verado?
Yiddil posted 01-20-2006 08:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Congrates on your New OutRage(Nantucket):) Thats a great price with the options and engine you got...Having the Bow Dodger, I can say from experience, YOU MUST HAVE THAT OPTION AT SOME POINT!!!! Its so great with the Bow Dodger Cusion...one of the highlights of that boat! in my opinion.......

Im going to get a sun deck this spring and extend the bow bodger all the way to the CC, Take off the fishing pole holders,,and have a full size bed on that puppy!!! Enclosed with canvas from the bow to the stern...me hopes...

Having it and not being able to use it till April...oh the pain.... I got mine in March, Picked her up in MAy and never looked back...was out fo the second season over 60 times!!!! YOur gonna love her!!! She is clearly a classic in post classic Whalers:))

WT posted 01-21-2006 11:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
cschorer1979:

If you bought your 2006 190 Outrage equipped as stated above for $35,000, you got a fantastic deal. I didn't think the dealers would discount so much so soon in the season.

The 2006 190 Outrage like yours stickers around $43,000.

Have fun with the new toy,

Warren

cschorer1979 posted 01-21-2006 01:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for cschorer1979  Send Email to cschorer1979     
Warren:

As is for 35K. I put the down payment for the boat the 27th of Dec and Closed on the 30th (end of the year).

The price the boat was listed at was $40K and then after a 3K Whaler discount it brought it down to 37. They were trying hard to seal the deal before the end of the year so I told them what it would take (my 35K offer) and the rest is history.

The moral of the story:
"Wait till the end of a financial quarter (if buying from a dealer) to purchase a boat"

cschorer1979 posted 01-21-2006 01:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for cschorer1979  Send Email to cschorer1979     
If it matters,

The 35K did not include taxes or registration fees. Sorry, just wanted to let you know.

Craig

highanddry posted 02-20-2006 02:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
Sounds like a great boat, enjoy it. Love my 150 Opti powered Nantucket/Outrage whatever you call it. Great boat, solid, needs tabs, my opinion. J
stompy27 posted 02-22-2006 07:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for stompy27  Send Email to stompy27     
Did you get the 6year coverage on the motor. The Miami boat show was offering that boat in the 33k range with Navman fish finder vhf and 6year war on the motor.

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