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CHenry posted 01-26-2006 01:53 PM ET (US)   Profile for CHenry   Send Email to CHenry  
Any thoughts as to why on the new 19 and 21 Outrage an electronics enclosure on the console is not offered? One of the features I really like about my 2000 18 Outrage is that the electronics have their own space behind the plexiglas door. In my case I have a GPS with depth, CD and ship to shore all flush mounted behind the door. Looking at a new 21, even with a t-top with electronics overhead box, at a minimum, the GPS would be sitting out. Also another concern for me is that with my set-up I can unscrew and slide the entire electronics box out, thus exposing the wiring for repair, maintenance or just a simple visual inspection. With the new design I imagine everything would be accessed from behind down in the console. If that in fact is true seems like it would be a real pain.

So enlighten me with your thoughts on this, I’m again considering a new 21 to replace my 18, so these things are starting to come to mind. Maybe its nothing I should be concerned about.

Thanks

Chris

rtk posted 01-26-2006 03:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for rtk  Send Email to rtk     
Chris, I have a 1997 21 Outrage that had the electronics "box" with the plexiglass hinged cover on the console.

I purchased the boat used, and a VHF radio and cell phone was mounted in the box.

I found the hinged cover was a bit of a nuisance while running the boat. It provided good dry storage for a few things, but when I opened the cover while running it hit the engine control. Inside the console was a pair of the female hinge parts to store the cover. When running and using the radio the cover was stowed.

This past season I replaced all my electronics. The VHF was flush mounted, and the new one did not fit in the hole. I removed the cell phone, and was left with those holes. If I wanted to start over I would have had to buy a new recessed box.

I didn't price the box, but I don't think it would be cheap.

I made a new panel out of 3/8 inch King Starboard that just mounts flush on the console. The solid flat panel of King Starboard gave me alot more room to flush mount my electronics in that space. There was not enough room to flushmount my NAVMAN GPS in the old box. The flat panel really allowed alot more flexibility in mounting electronics on the console. I think the piece of material I purchased was around $50, and I have enough left over to make another panel.

I do have a t-top with an electronics box, but I don't like the electronics up there. I don't like looking up that high to view and operate the units. The flat panel put everything right in front of me, easily viewed and operated.

I think the deletion of the enclosed box allows for more of the electronics to be flush mounted on the face of the console, especially if the boat does not have a t-top with the electronics box.

Rich

CHenry posted 01-26-2006 03:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for CHenry  Send Email to CHenry     
Great points thanks...
rtk posted 01-26-2006 03:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for rtk  Send Email to rtk     
Forgot to add, most new marine electronics are very tolerant of getting wet, if that is a concern.

My boat is so dry while running, I never get any water or splash from running on the console. The console is covered when it is sitting in the slip.

The old console box did lock, but I would hardly say the locked cover would deter a theft.

Rich

bluewaterpirate posted 01-26-2006 04:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Good topic.

I have an enclosure on one of my Whalers and an open angled helm on the other. I much prefer the open angled helm area. It's much easier for me to see and use my electronics on my Conquest than it is on the Ventura. Most of my helm time is spent standing up so accessibiltiy, view, and ease of use is a issue for me. Whaler doesn't change things around on their new models without some customer feedback. I've been contacted by Whaler quit a few times asking my opinions about what I like, what I don't like, and if I could change something how would I like to see it redesigned.

Take a look at the redesigned Grady 232 Gulfstream for 2006. They've gone from an enclosed electronics box to a flat angled helm area. Grady did this because of previous owner feedback.

http://www.gradywhite.com/232/feature_232-2b.jpg


Tom

rtk posted 01-26-2006 05:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for rtk  Send Email to rtk     
That is a nice setup on the Grady you posted Tom. Alot of room on that panel to flush mount stuff.

I don't care for the compass where it is though. When lit at night I would think glare might be a problem from a lighted compass.

I keep seeing all these VHF radios mounted pretty close to the other electronics. As I stated I made a new panel to mount my electronics. I cut the opening for the VHF directly in front of the helm, with my NAVMAN Trackfish 6600 a few inches to starboard. Installed everything, buttoned it up and turned on the units. The VHF and NAVMAN did not play well together.

Did the unthinkable and read the two manuals : ). The NAVMAN states a minimum distance of one foot between it and a VHF transceiver. So the VHF went to the t-top box. It will stay there, with a Standard Horizon RAM+ CMP25 and a remote speaker for easy helm access. If I had known the restrictions with the NAVMAN I would have installed the same Standard Horizon VHF you did (the remote unit)
It was a pretty sweet layout, but did not work.

Glad I didn't buy a new recess box from Whaler. I never ran across a problem with regard to proximity of units in a tight flush mount installation. Oh well, after a couple of hours and the left over King Starboard this winter all will be good.

I bring the topic up because I see so many installations where the units are installed like the photo you posted a link to, they look like they are only a couple of inches apart.

Be careful on installations. There may be alot of room to mount your stuff but they may not all get along.

Rich

ivansfo posted 01-26-2006 07:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for ivansfo  Send Email to ivansfo     
Chris,

I think this is all for cost reduction.

It takes time and material costs to fabricate the electronics box, plexi door, and latch. Then someone has to assemble this all together and make it look pretty. With the new style there's nothing for them to do. It's all part of the fiberglass mold.

The old style is great because if you ever change electronics, just buy new black starboard and cut new holes. And since boats are stored most of its life, I find the plex door is great to protect from dust and moisture (mainly rain). And also somewhat out of sight so it's not sitting there for thieves to see.

The new style you actually have to cut into the pretty gelcoated fiberglass.

Ivan

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