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RAGE 15--Snake River Fishing
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posted 02-13-2006 01:16 PM ET (US)
I am thinking of purchasing a c.1995 RAGE 15 to fish the Snake River in Idaho. Is this a decent choice? thanx john
posted 02-13-2006 02:38 PM ET (US)
I enjoy and trust my 1988 15 SS with a 60 HP outboard. I believe the hulls are the same. I will leave the final analysis to those with real experience with the Rage powertrain but I haven't heard much good about them either. If it is not reliable, I won't bet my life on it. Think Spring...Hal
posted 02-14-2006 02:44 AM ET (US)
Do a search on this site and you'll find lots of information and opinions on the Rage series boats.
I personally own a 1997 Rage 175, and can tell you that they're great boats! Easy to trailer and launch, great looking, lots of storage, comfortable, easy to maintain, and plenty of power. The jet allows you to go in shallower water than a prop and is safer around swimmers. The boat can easily pull a skiier or tuber, and it's an unsinkable Whaler!
The Sportjet 175 is a proven, solid, reliable motor and jet system very commonly used in many aluminum river jet boats, and parts and service are available. Eariler Rages came with a 115hp "TurboJet" OMC, and even earlier Rages with a 90hp, I believe. The Sportjet 175 (it's a 2-stroke) tops out at about 55mph, the OMC 115 will hit 34mph. If you can find one with a 175, that's the ticket, but there's not many out there.
Many love their 115's, and I personally wouldn't recommend going with a smaller (under 115hp) version. If it's in great shape (115 or 175), runs well, and at a good price, buy it. Some report occasional problems finding parts for the 115hp version, your mileage may vary.
To be fair, a few things people dislike about Rage Jets: they don't steer tightly at low speed (steering is related to the velocity of water exiting the jet), steering poor when in reverse (in my experience, not a problem when docking, etc.), and it's possible to suck up weeds, ropes, etc, into the jet intake and stall the motor out, which is a hassle to remove when in the water.
I hope this helps! Feel free to email me or post any further questions.
posted 02-14-2006 02:13 PM ET (US)
In short 'NO!' I HAD a 15' Rage/115 OMC.
|BOB KEMMLER JR||
posted 02-14-2006 07:17 PM ET (US)
Hull is more like a 15 Dauntless and the only Rage to get is the 175 Merc sport jet.The omc 115 is very quirky and problematic for the most part.Some people have had some luck with them,but they have usually modded and safe guarded the motors for the most part.The snake river is full of nasty rocks if memory serves me correctly.thats no place for a fiberglass boat.
posted 02-14-2006 08:30 PM ET (US)
The Snake River would be a very decent choice for fishing in Idaho.
posted 02-14-2006 08:51 PM ET (US)
What part of the Snake are you thinking about.
posted 02-14-2006 11:24 PM ET (US)
With all due respect, I own a 1985 15' Sport and a 1995 15' Rage. As Bob points out, the hulls are COMPLETELY different in bottom shape. However, both will float in about 8" of water. The Rage (jet) will vacuum rocks and sand up in 8" of water, and the outboard powered Sport (or SuperSport)will have trouble keeping the water intakes for the outboard immersed, and keeping the propeller in the water enough to move.
A 1995 Rage will be powered by a 115Hp OMC Turbojet V4 drive unit. Parts are generally available, although not cheap. The powerhead is basically a V4 Johnson/Evinrude of similar vintage. They are generally disliked by outboard mechanics and shunned by inboard mechanics. Therefore, it pays to be your own mechanic.
Others have noted the Rage series has a bad reputation on this list. I still love mine...
I think by "modded and safe guarded", Bob means that most folks have removed the thermostats from their 115hp Rage engines. I installed new thermostats, and a raw water strainer.
Slow speed driving is more challenging than an outboard, but when you consider the boat has no rudder, it is to be expected.
Maneuvering around docks is actually amazing once you get the hang of it. It does not drive like an outboard powered boat, but once you get over that, they're quite maneuverable.
posted 02-15-2006 01:08 PM ET (US)
The handful of times I have been in a jet boat on the snake, the boats were all aluminum - it takes to bouncing off rocks much better than 'glass.
posted 02-15-2006 09:44 PM ET (US)
I wouldn't run a Whaler on the Snake. Buy an aluminum jet boat that can bounce off the rocks with minimal damage.
posted 02-16-2006 01:12 AM ET (US)
Depends - on where you are wanting to fish. The headwaters are not a good place for a Rage - because of the rapids and rocks. The eastern part of Idaho is a mix - rocks/rapids and some relatively slack water. The western part (around Boise) is not too rocky. And then, there is "Hells Canyon" (between Boise and Lewiston in northern Idaho) - appropriately named where you really want only rubber rafts and good! jet boats. And then from around Lewiston upstream is basically all slack water.
In my mind, aluminum takes the dings, rocks and gravel beds much better than glass. That is why I will not put my Outrage in the river - and have been looking for a good Wooldridge or Duckwork aluminum outboard jet. They are virtually nonexistant - so I will probably have to wind up buying a new one. ---- Jerry/Idaho
posted 02-16-2006 08:29 PM ET (US)
Folks - I slipped a cog - in the last sentence of the first paragraph it should read: And then from around Lewiston downstream is basically all slack water. I initially wrote - upstream instead of downstream.
Another potential impedment in eastern Idaho are the numberous diversion dams(for irrigation canals and power plants). These diversion dams will occassionally trap anyone going over them in the downstream hydraulics. --- Jerry/Idaho
posted 02-23-2006 05:16 PM ET (US)
thanx for all of the insight guys i love whalers but i think i am going to go with an all welded aluminum boat thanx again
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