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FRSam posted 03-10-2006 03:01 PM ET (US)   Profile for FRSam   Send Email to FRSam  
I'm trying to put together my new 150 Montauk - I'd sure appreciate any feed back regarding my choices and answers to my questions.

I'd like to put a jam cleated anchor roller off the bow and stern - any recommendations on placement on the hull and perhaps the name of a quality manufacturer who's system has worked for you. There is no bow rail on my whaler and I'll have a kicker motor bracket on the starboard side of the transom with a swim step on the port side. Ideally I'd like something which allows me to pull up the anchors and move short distances (yards) with the anchors hanging from bow & stern jam cleats. Pictures would be fantastic if available.

The bow section of the hull doesn't seem to have any where to hang a dock fender from. I fish solo and would require docking during put in's and take out's. I guess the only option would be to put a small cleat on either side of the bow. Would it be possible to put in a retractable cleat of some kind so it's out of the way while I'm flyfishing? My fly line has a real sense of humor and loves to hang up on anything it can find...usually when I've got a nice sized fish on.

The CC will include;

Ritchie F - 50 Explore flush mount compass
Lowrance LMS 334 GPS with internal antenna
Icom M-402 VHF radio with DSC and a 4ft digital antenna

I've also ordered a Pate C18 gas tank for under the seat and a Mills mooring cover - ouch ;-)

My plan is to use this boat for flyfishing stillwater lakes here in the Sierra - Almanor, Eagle, Davis, Bucks, Stampede... lakes of this size and probably some stripper fishing down in the Delta. My only crew for the most part will be my golden retriever - a very well behaved dog who's been by my side for eleven years now.

Sorry for all the questions and thanks for any input,

Pete

TRAFFICLAWYER posted 03-10-2006 04:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
We have a 2005 15' sport, same hull design as the montauk. Best place for fenders is from the most forward bow rail stanchion. Use a 12" anchor ball as fenders since the Whalers bow flair has a tendency to ride right up on a floating dock depending on approach angle. Bin there done that. I rode the bow flair up and over a dock cleat, last year,youch!!!

Or you could place cleats forward but the wood is not in a great location that would favor a cleat, it's too far forward. Whaler told me the wood starts 156" from the transom.

TRAFFICLAWYER posted 03-10-2006 04:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
Uh,Uo! No bow rail than you will have to add cleats, still use the 12" anchor balls to keep you off docks.
FRSam posted 03-10-2006 07:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for FRSam  Send Email to FRSam     
Thanks Trafficlawyer - I tried to goggle anchor balls and didn't come up with anything. I'm having a tough time trying to picture this set up - any links where I can take a look at one?

THKS,

Pete

TRAFFICLAWYER posted 03-10-2006 08:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
We'll post a photo tomorrow.
skred posted 03-10-2006 10:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for skred  Send Email to skred     
I used the small stainless fastener fixtures from Boat US. they're the diameter of a half-dollar or less and attach directly to the gunwale. They protrude less than 3/8 inch above the gunwale, and are slotted to receive the other half of the fixture which is attached to the line to your fender. They're Perko Fender Locks (about $15 a pair), and you can search them on the BoatUS website. Very unobtrusive and they work quite well.
davej14 posted 03-10-2006 10:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
You may want to consider the standard horizon PS1000 or PS2000 VHF radio. The "box" mounts inside the console which will free up some panel space.
aubv posted 03-10-2006 10:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
FRsam,

Anchor balls are also known as Tuff End round fenders. If you have ever see a commercial fishing vessel you've seen these fenders. They are usually a bright orange color with a single blue eye but do come in other colors.
I use them when I go through locks or when rafting up to another boat. They can be tied to just about anything sturdy like side rails, especially since you need them for such a short duration.

As far as anchoring and moving a matter of yards why not let out more scope on both anchors when first setting anchor?

Are you using a stripping basket on the boat?
Saves an awful lot of headaches and money.

FRSam posted 03-12-2006 09:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for FRSam  Send Email to FRSam     
shred...does this perko eye lay down flat when not in use or is it always in the upright position?

dave...I did consider the SH VHF's you mentioned but I can't see why I need to save console space as I can't think of anything else I need to put on it - I'll have a compass, GPS, fishfinder, tach - looks like I'll have plenty of space - no?

aubv...I'd really prefer not to use a stripping basket, yes I do have one. As far anchoring, maybe I was a bit short on that distance - just meant I wouldn't be hauling the anchors hanging off both ends of the boat while traveling any great distance. With the anchor cleat lock no knots are necessary - you can quickly pick up both anchors, reposition and get back to fishing. I have this set up on my glass pram and really like it - I'm just no sure if it'd work on the whaler hull as far as mounting.

Does the anchor ball fit into the bow locker? It doesn't sound like it would.

Thanks all for the help,

Pete

davej14 posted 03-12-2006 10:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
Pete,

Sure it will all fit. I think my Dauntless 14 has a similar sized console and I now have a VHF radio and a Fish finder mounted on it. I don't like the clutter so this spring I'm replacing the VHF with the PS1000 (have it ready to install) and putting a surface mount compass where the VHF used to be. Just my personal preference and part of the fun.

Be sure to post some pics of your final installation.

jimh posted 03-12-2006 03:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
[HUP]
FRSam posted 03-12-2006 10:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for FRSam  Send Email to FRSam     
I guess a whaler is never truly finished - as you say dave it's all part of the fun. I'll try and post a picture upon completion.

jimh...What does [HUP] mean??? I guess I'm still a bit computer / site illiterate.

Pete

davej14 posted 03-14-2006 05:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
Pete,

Let me know how you like the Lowrance LMS 334 GPS with internal antenna. I'm looking at that one and the LMS-339C and trying to decide.

FYI, I am going to install the Ritchie F-83 Voyager series flush mount compass. I like it because it has a front read and top read capability.

FRSam posted 03-16-2006 05:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for FRSam  Send Email to FRSam     
Dave this is all new to me - GPS. I'm sure I'll feel the same way I did when I sat down in front of a computer for the first time.

I went with the 334c because 95% of my fly fishing will in fresh water and this is my understanding where the 334c excels. The 339c is really for a salt water application.

Just out of curiosity what are you considering comparing one to the other?

Regards,

Pete

davej14 posted 03-24-2006 12:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
Pete,

Sorry for the delay in response as I was traveling.

Well, I went to Bass Pro yesterday and looked at the two models. I was leaning toward the 339c because it had higher power and wider viewing angle capability. After a closer look I am leaning toward the 334c for the same reason as you AND I discovered the transducer for the 339c is the size of a small fist!!

I found an additional problem. I do not understand how either unit would interface to the Phantom PS1000 radio to provide position data for DSC calling. I am exploring this and will start a new thread under "small boat electronics" to see if someone on this site can help.

davej14 posted 03-25-2006 11:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
Pete,

If you actually have the Lowrance LMS-334c can you look at the power cord or owners manual and tell me if it has a data cable bundled with it that supports NEMA 0183 data?

It would be a cable with wire colors of blue, yellow, orange and shield. The owners manual is not yet on the Lowrance website for these units with an internal antenna. If they have the same cabling as the units with the external antenna we are all set.

BTW, we are going to need to have a unique identification number assigned to us for PSC transmissions. This used to be a $90.00 one time fee but there is a recent post on this website that says it is now free. Do a search and you will find it.

FRSam posted 03-25-2006 04:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for FRSam  Send Email to FRSam     
Sorry Dave - my boat is still at the dealers - 2 1/2hrs away. I was hoping to have all of these things installed by now but it's taking longer than anticipated. I'm still waiting for him to get back to me on prices for the electronics I'd selected.

Your post is beginning to scare the bejeesis out of me. I thought the DSC hook up was pretty standard - hell I'm happy when I can get a flash light to work. I'll stay tuned, meanwhile I think I'll give Lowrance a call on Monday.

skred posted 03-25-2006 10:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for skred  Send Email to skred     
FRSam: The fixture is one-piece and is a small ellipse. Barely rises 1/4 inch above the deck. The other part attaches to your fender line.
You can see the pics on the link below:
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/categoryg/10001/-1/ 10001/456/11207/5/man/asc/0/grid

davej14 posted 03-27-2006 08:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
Pete,

I called Lowrance and determined their 334c series will send your boats position data to the PS1000 so it will report your position during a DSC emergency call or a call request from another boat. Conversely, the PS1000 will not output data received from another craft in a format that the Lowrance 334c will understand. Position data received by the PS1000 from another craft will appear on the RAM+ microphone display in the form of latitude and longitude. I put a more detailed post in the small boat electronics section if you are interested.

Even with this shortcoming I like the price and features of the Lowrance unit and intend to go with it.

Chuck Tribolet posted 03-27-2006 10:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
You can get your MMSI for free at http://www.boatus.com/mmsi/ .

Be sure to carefully check or uncheck the boxes that deal
with whether you want them to spam you. I made the no-spam
choice and they never have.


Chuck

Chuck Tribolet posted 03-27-2006 11:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
The PS1000 manual indicates that it DOES output position
data received from another boat. If there's a problem,
it's that the Lowrance either isn't listening, or is
listening or isn't listening for those NMEA sentences.

Sounds to me like Lowrance support is blaming SH for their
deficiency.


Chuck

davej14 posted 03-28-2006 06:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
The PS1000 outputs NEMA 0183 with a DSC and DSE word format. The Lowrance 33Xc series will not "understand" this format. I have no idea why the PS1000 recommended input sentence is RMC while the output is something else or why they could not have used an output sentence that Lowrance would read. Marketing ???
davej14 posted 04-01-2006 11:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
Pete,
I found out that there is a low cost option from Lowrance for a swivel base on the LMS-33x series. It mounts under the bracket that comes with the unit, which only allows for tilt adjustment. The two are held together with a bolt in the center and the rotational position is held in place with a plastic detent. Unfortunately the hole pattern for mounting to the dash is different than if you just use the included tilt bracket.

I have an older Lowrance sonar unit now and there are times I wish I could turn it for better viewing. I plan to install the new unit with the optional swivel bracket.

INA posted 04-10-2006 06:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for INA  Send Email to INA     
FRSam, How do you plan to mount the vhs radio ? Flush mount=cut into console or radio with bracket ? Thanks
FRSam posted 04-11-2006 12:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for FRSam  Send Email to FRSam     
Dave - I wish I'd known about that swivel base but I've already had the LMS installed with the included bracket. Hmmmm...

INA - My plan was to have the VHF radio flush mounted into the consol just above the cup holders.

Pete

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