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bben posted 03-11-2006 08:01 PM ET (US)   Profile for bben   Send Email to bben  
Well, after trailering to Florida from PA, my new 150 Montak has a quarter-size chip out of the gel coat at the bow where it rests againts the bow roller. It was tight when we departed and at the first fuel stop, I cranked it about two clicks and noticed a slight scratch, nothing major. It remained tight but when we went to lift it off this afternoon, we noticed the large chip (it was just under where the boat meets the seemingly hard-plastic roller). My concern is whether I should put it in the water tomorrow; I am worried that the fiberglass may be compromised resulting in water seepage into the hull that would be absorbed by the foam. I called the dealer I purchased from but they are out until Monday. Also, this seems like a very bad thing to happen to a brand new boat; should I demand a different boat, will a patch fix it and can they really determine whether the fiberglass has been compromised? By the way, there is also a small chip in the gel coat on the livewell from something hitting it during travel, although it was covered (that one doesn't seem to be a big deal and is much smaller). Thank you for any help recommendations.
fishinchips posted 03-11-2006 08:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for fishinchips  Send Email to fishinchips     
wow, you dinged your boat already !
No worries, go to the dealer and get the gelcoat paste (made by spectrum) for your model of boat.
Read the directions on it and do the repair. Pretty easy to repair. If you need a hand, I bet someone on this forum will lend advise or even show you on how to fix it.

Ken (170 montauk / 22 hydrasports vector wa)

Matthew posted 03-11-2006 08:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Matthew  Send Email to Matthew     
Bummer, but it is easily repaired by the dealership. No water damage will occur in the meantime.
I got popped in the same place when my 170 was brand new, the day I was to pick it up. They pulled the boat up on the trailer with the strap on top of the bow roller. Doh! I took the boat ran it and brought it back in the next month so they could repair it.
I'd change that bow roller to a softer Stoltz roller.
Have fun and run your boat! It's a Whaler.
davej14 posted 03-11-2006 09:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
Are you saying that your bow roller chipped the gel coat?

Hard roller or not, this doesn't seem right to me. If the metal roller bracket wasn't contacting the hull there must have been a void under the gel coat. With a new boat designed for trailering I would ask the dealer to repair it under warranty. Even if the metal bracket caused the damage, the dealer should have set up the trailer properly.

Don't worry about using the boat until you get back to the dealer. Enjoy.

aubv posted 03-11-2006 09:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
bben,

You might be asking just a wee bit to much with the "demand a new boat" idea.

While we all understand the new boat-first chip sentiment, well I do anyway, it is going to happen and you can now stop waiting and wondering when it will happen!

Some of us in the Northeast aren't quite as lucky to be in Florida with a new albeit slightly chipped boat. Unless you bought the boat as a collectors item, use it, care for it but ENJOY it.

bben posted 03-11-2006 09:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for bben  Send Email to bben     
Thank you all; you have allowed me to get some much needed rest after a 24 hour drive! I feel a lot better. I will call my dealer up in PA and see if he can arrange for the dealer down here (Florida Keys) to fix it while I am here. The damage was NOT caused by the metal bracket; the boat was resting on the roller itself. I thought it odd also and thought maybe there was a slight imperfection and the placement of the boat on the roller hit it just right to cause the chip. I will not stress about it and get it fixed as soon as they can do it. Will they also check for damage to the fiberglass? I know I said I wasn't stressed but I just have to double-check. I may replace the roller with the solfter Stolz roller, the factor one is very, very hard and I am worried that it could happen again it it hit that same spot. Thank you all again.
FRSam posted 03-11-2006 10:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for FRSam  Send Email to FRSam     
bben...sorry to hear about the chip. I think I may have the same chip in the same spot on my 150 Montauk and I'm not scheduled to pick it up until the 18th of this month.

If possible could you post a pic of the ding - my dealer is over 2 1/2hrs from where I live and with this weather we're having out here travel is not easy to get down to him.

I noticed it last Sat when we took it out for a test drive and from your description it sounds like it's in the exact same spot - just above or right on the roller. I thought it might just be a trailer rash but this boat hasn't been towed any distance and it is a brand new boat - should it have a trailer rash already???

I thought it might have something to do with the way the mechanic who took me out for this test drive put the boat back on the trailer. He left the motor going to force the bow of the boat to the roller and keep it in place while he hooked it up to the trailer. Once he had it hooked up to the trailer he went back and turned off the motor.

I'm wondering if there might not be a problem with this particular type of trailer? I think I'll defiantly look into the Stoltz roller. I just wondering if once this area is patched is it going to be more susceptible to chipping out again?

Have fun with the boat bben - Florida sounds awfully nice right about now - it's 24 degrees outside now with snow on the ground.

Regards,

Pete

boatman1979 posted 03-12-2006 07:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for boatman1979  Send Email to boatman1979     
After my dealer improperly installed my Mills bimini top, I was left with 8 really big screw holes in my 150 sport. I gave my dealer 2 choices: A) Make it look like nothing ever happened, or B) Have a new boat ready for me before next weekend. They made it look like nothing ever happened.

I also had a chip that occured while trailering. Looks like a rock flew out from under my Jeep and hit the bow. It too was fully repaired and not noticable.

I thought this would make you feel a little better. Happy Boating!

davej14 posted 03-12-2006 10:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
It is probably just a surface defect and after repair you should not notice it at all. If the repair is done properly it will not be more susceptible to damage than anywhere else on the hull. The shop doing the repair should be able to tell you what he thinks about the cause. Since there are now two posts with a similar problem please let us know what you find out. Pics would also be helpful.
fishinchips posted 03-12-2006 01:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for fishinchips  Send Email to fishinchips     
Get the Stoltz roller with sides.
I don't know what you called the side things, but it helps.

Ken (170 montauk / 22 hydrasports vector wa)

TRAFFICLAWYER posted 03-12-2006 03:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
Sounds like a void, they happen. I have a gel-coat/fiberglass guy on retainer and always have a quart of gel coat in my fridge. I have found voids every year since 2003 although I think I'm found them all. My boat gets forked in and out of the water about 150 times a year and with lots of use dings happen, docks and pilings just jump out of nowhere and crap boards and such lurk under the water just waiting to meet Mr. Gel Coat. Don't sweat it.
jimh posted 03-12-2006 03:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
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luife posted 03-12-2006 10:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for luife  Send Email to luife     
It might by coincidence, but when I was looking at a 150 Montauk at a New Jersey boat show it had the same gel coat chip. I also noted that the bow roller was very hard. However, I would have though that this should not have happened. I guess they should do something about the roller or the area on the hull to avoid this situation that has been noted in three different boats. I think that on a top of the line boat like this, it should not happen.

On another note, any pictures of the boat in the water and experience of running it?

TRAFFICLAWYER posted 03-13-2006 12:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
My bow roller is blue poly and appears to be the exact same, save color as the Stoltz tan one hanging in my garage.
bben posted 03-13-2006 09:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for bben  Send Email to bben     
Thanks again to all. I am going to replace the roller with the Stoltz one prior to trailering again. Seems like a poor design, whether it is the roller or the way the boat sits on it. In any event, I have had the boat in the water for two days and love it. It handles very well, although the steering seems very, very tight - not sure if this is "normal" but it is quite hard to turn. I only have about 5 hours on it so maybe it will loosen...I love the size. I thought it may be too small originally, but it really is a good size for me. I will post pics soon, all I have down here is dial-up and it is way slow..
davej14 posted 03-13-2006 09:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
Not really on topic, but is your steering "tight" in both directions or just one. If it is just one you may need to adjust the "fin" that is behind the prop on the bottom of your anticavitation plate to achieve a neutral balance.
jimh posted 03-13-2006 10:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Please start a separate thread to discuss steering torque problems.
FRSam posted 03-20-2006 12:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for FRSam  Send Email to FRSam     
bben how's that 150 of yours doing? Did the steering ever loosen up? I'm glad to hear you're enjoying it so much. Mine is still at the dealers getting the electronics and pate gas tank installed. I can hardly wait to get my hands on it.

If you get a chance could you post a picture of the chip in your gel coat - I'm really curious to see what it looks like.

My best,

Pete

bben posted 03-20-2006 03:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for bben  Send Email to bben     
Hi Pete, getting ready to head back to PA tomorrow. I have about 10 hours on it and love it. The steering has loosened a little, but it is still stiff (I just replied to a separate thread about this topic). When I get back home (Wed night) I will post a pic of the gel coat chip. I have since bought the Stoltz bow roller and it seemes like a much better fit. I will not be trailering back this time but will be in May. The boat handles great and with its shallow draft can go anywhere - there are several areas down here where the water is about 8-12 inches and with speed there is no problem. I did have one mishap - when flushing the engine with fresh water, I forgot to start the motor (to open the thermostat) so the small rubber cooling line in the motor blew off - I did a temp fix and flushed and will do correct fix when I come back in May. I will do a separate post when I return with first impressions and such.

Ben

FRSam posted 03-22-2006 01:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for FRSam  Send Email to FRSam     
Sounds great Ben...I'm looking forward to seeing those pic's. Were you able to get the chip repaired? That Stoltz roller is on my list of to do's before picking up my boat.

Pete

bben posted 03-22-2006 09:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for bben  Send Email to bben     
I am attaching some pictures of the chip. I will post pictures of the boat in a separate thread.

[IMG]http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i69/bbenh/DSCN1602.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i69/bbenh/DSCN1601.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i69/bbenh/DSCN1600.jpg[/IMG]

FRSam posted 03-22-2006 10:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for FRSam  Send Email to FRSam     
OUCH!!! Thanks for the pictures Ben - I think I'd prefer to focus on your new thread - great shots!!!

Pete

davej14 posted 03-26-2006 09:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
Ben,

If you replace "IMG" with "URL" your links will work:

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i69/bbenh/DSCN1602.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i69/bbenh/DSCN1601.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i69/bbenh/DSCN1600.jpg

bben posted 03-26-2006 12:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for bben  Send Email to bben     
Thanks, Davej14! I am new at this posting pics thing.

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