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BWLucky13 posted 03-13-2006 08:52 PM ET (US)   Profile for BWLucky13   Send Email to BWLucky13  
My 130 Sport is quite handy in most respects, save for the bow line rigging. I have tried rigging a bow line from the trailer/towing eye under the hull and from the lifting eye forward of the anchor locker. The lifting eye is generally the most convenient of the two locations, but results in dock lines that foul on the raised bow light. Does anyone have a setup that works well?
Royboy posted 03-13-2006 10:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
I've got cleats on the guwhales fore and aft that work great. Can be seen here: http://photobucket.com/albums/v406/MC1888/Ichthus/?action=view& current=IchthusbeachedatMandonrightquarteringview.jpg I think there's wood (Whalerboard) in these locations for this purpose.

Roy

BWLucky13 posted 03-14-2006 05:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for BWLucky13  Send Email to BWLucky13     
Thanks for the pictures Royboy. Your rig really looks sweet. The side cleats look quite handy.

I was hoping for some ideas that would make use of the existing hardware. I tried attaching the bow line to the trailer eye, leading it up and back to the lifting eye, and then using a velcro lash to hold everything safely in place. That works well under normal conditions--so well that I came to rely on it too much. One day it came loose and nearly caused an accident.

FRSam posted 03-16-2006 02:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for FRSam  Send Email to FRSam     
Roy - on those cleats would it be possible to have put in retractable cleats?

Nice job on the kicker bracket - are you bolted all the way through or is it a combination of lag bolts & bolts or just lag bolts?

Thanks,

Pete

Royboy posted 03-16-2006 10:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
I'm not sure about exactly how those retractable cleats drain. They have to have something to retract into and it would hold water if it couldn't drain to somwhere. If I could figure out how to do it, I would. The ones I have just love fly line, especially if it has a fish on the end of it.

Thanks for the compliment on my bracket. Its main fastener is the lifting eye (1/2" U-bolt). Sort of acts as two 1/2" bolts. There are also three 1/4 - 20 machine screws and a generous bead of 5200 holding it on. There isn't enough transom to get any more through bolts in, so I used what was already there - the lifting eye.

Roy

BWLucky13 posted 03-17-2006 12:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for BWLucky13  Send Email to BWLucky13     
Since there have been no more rigging ideas for the bow line, I did some research and have found another option for testing. This should make the old salts happy because it uses no fittings or attachments of any kind.

Secure the bow line to the towing eye and bring the line up over the bow and back to the lifting eye. Make an Alpine Butterfly knot with a loop just long enough to slip an inch or so through the lifting eye. To lock the bow line while underway, just slip a loop of anchor rode or other heavy line through the loop. Instant lock, instant release.

When sized correctly, the loop lock has a lot of strength. The Alpine Butterfly is simple and beautiful. It is easier on the line and more secure than a bowline--particularly for this application.

David Livingstone posted 03-17-2006 06:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Livingstone  Send Email to David Livingstone     
Royboy, too cool, awesome, sweet. Hope I covered it all. Right down to the the rod holders on the Bimini frames, it looks like a great rig for do'n what it's bread to do .. fish, fish, fish!

David

Royboy posted 03-18-2006 08:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
Thanks so much David, and yes, we boat a few in grand style! Lake Erie Walleye's mostly.

But I think we've hijacked BWLucky13's thread enough. I'm curious after your last post, BW, what on earth are you trying to do? I assumed you were just trying to tie your boat to a dock. Am I missing something here?

Since I have cleats and have never had to tie up my boat with only the bow eye (or lifting eye either for that matter) I can't really say how well that would work. I see two rather bothersom problems with this idea though. 1) there will be an awful lot of slack up front, and 2) the bow locker cover may saw through the bow line rather quickly (mine is quite sharp). I think you're always going to be battling something rubbing somewhere as well. What gives?

Roy

BWLucky13 posted 03-21-2006 10:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for BWLucky13  Send Email to BWLucky13     
Yes, Royboy, I'm just rigging a bow line for trailer loading and unloading and securing to a dock. I live on a lee shore with variable wave & wake action from various quarters for hours or days at a time. A poor lead with rubbing or fouling is not an option. That makes the towing eye the preferred option.

Slack is not acceptable if using the towing eye. That's the primary reason for securing the line to the lifting eye when underway.

Line damage from chafe on the bowlocker has not been an issue for me. The line is not under tension when entering the smooth forward end of the bowlocker. That is just for line storage.

If my test rig works for me, I'll post a picture.

Off the subject, but what prop are you running on your bigfoot 25?

Royboy posted 03-22-2006 09:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
It's your thread. It's got an 11 pitch on it now, but I'm going to try a 9.5 pitch to see if it helps her get on plane faster. What prop do you have?

Roy

BWLucky13 posted 04-05-2006 11:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for BWLucky13  Send Email to BWLucky13     
No picture of the bow line rig is available, but I want to end this thread with a wrap-up report.

Tests of the bow line rig worked out well. The Alpine Butterfly knot (see animatedknots.com) forms an excellent locking loop. I had hoped to be able to pass the loop through the bow lifting eye and lock it by inserting another heavy line through the loop. That did not work because the lifting eye is too large. So, I'm using a solid shaft( belaying pin, short pvc pipe section--whatever your aesthetic preference).

This rig gives you a bow line that is permanently attached to the towing eye and can be simultaneously locked to the lifting eye on deck. The lifting eye connection can be locked or unlocked in a blink. It strikes me that having a secured, snug line over the bow is also a nice grab line for someone in the water.

FRSam posted 04-11-2006 01:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for FRSam  Send Email to FRSam     
Royboy,

I noticed you fish a fly rod. What kind of rod holder do you have in that boat of yours?

Pete

Royboy posted 04-11-2006 04:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
I was surprised to find that my fly rod fits into a regular plastic flared rod holder. I just bought cheapies to glue to my coolers and my fly rod happened to fit nicely in them. My Chrome Perko's are another matter; the fly rod doesn't fit.

Do I win the prize for the worst thread hijacker ever?

Roy

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