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osillator posted 04-23-2006 12:27 AM ET (US)   Profile for osillator   Send Email to osillator  
I am interested in putting a stainless T-Top on my 2002 170Montauk. I need feedback on any experiance with this model please. Help!!
Perry posted 04-23-2006 01:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
My local Whaler dealer has installed a T-Top on a 170 Montauk and it's on his lot. If I can get there before the owner takes delivery, I'll take a photo and post it to this thread if you wish.
jimh posted 04-23-2006 09:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I have never seen a T-Top constructed from stainless steel. It is my experience that such structures on small boats are made from aluminum alloy.

I recommend against installation of a T-Top constructed from stainless steel on a 170 MONTAUK because:

--too much weight aloft;
--hull and deck were not designed to carry the loading.

highanddry posted 04-23-2006 01:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
I have seen T tops from Smith Industries. These are universal fit and appear to be of good quality and they are Stainless steel. I could do chinups on the one in the store display. It appears to be sized for smaller boats and is not excessively heavy. Look in Boaters World catalog. These are priced very nicely also.
Also, a custon builder can build anything you want--cost will be higher. J
chopbuster posted 04-23-2006 07:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for chopbuster  Send Email to chopbuster     
The transom dead-rise angle on a 170 say's "Im practically a skiff".

You could install a 150hp on a 170 and that would be ill advised as well.

samwhaler posted 04-23-2006 08:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for samwhaler    
Have you considered the T-seat? I am not sure how this setting affect the ride, but it looks good and functional.

This was rigged by 'Nydealer'

Here is a link to the company that makes the T-seat.

Sheila posted 04-23-2006 11:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sheila  Send Email to Sheila     
HEY!!! Those are the steering wheel guys!!
bigjohn1 posted 04-24-2006 12:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1    
Sorry I cannot offer first-hand experience with an install on a 170 since that is what you asked for and what you really need. As a fellow 170 owner, I have been considering this very modification at some point in the future. Lots of people will tell you not to do it as it is are going to have to ultimately decide that for yourself since its your boat. It is a fact that many, many small boats (even smaller than a 170 MONTAUK) run t-tops out here in Guam and they aren't flipping over while out on the water. Our local marine fabricator who manufactures the t-tops here says as long as they are made from aluminum (lighter than stainless) and are not too tall, the "high-center" weight effect of the t-top in the wind is minimized. Common sense dictates one should probably not be out in a t-top equipped 170 in high winds.
Be aware that you can buy t-tops made from both stainless and aluminum, stainless will generally speaking be heavier and that one thing you definitely want to avoid.

Samwhaler - outstanding links above, thanks for sharing! I love the looks of those T-seats.

lakeman posted 04-24-2006 04:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for lakeman  Send Email to lakeman     
I have seen two original Montauks with the T-top and both were very small and two people would have to fight to find enough protection from the elements or sun and in my opinion. to make it usefull. I guess the top can be of any size, however a friend with a 22' Pathfinder and he wanted as much sun shade as his old bimmi top. He had it built too big and had to take it back and have it redone, cost him a bundle.
mikeyairtime posted 04-24-2006 05:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for mikeyairtime    
Material preference seems to be regional. West Coast more stainless/ East Coast more aluminum. If you go aluminum get it powdercoated or it'll look like heck quickly. There's a bunch of 170 in Southern California with stainless T tops. One guy even carries a couple Kayaks on his. The 170 can easily handle a small T-top. One of the 170's best atributes is stability.
osillator posted 04-24-2006 11:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for osillator  Send Email to osillator     
Perry, do post photos if you can, I would like to see that.

Also the T Seat looks great also.

I must say after running this 170 in the atlantic ocean for 4 years this boat has incredible sideways stability! I can not imagine wind on an apropriate sized T Top being a problem at all.

Thanks for the responses guys!!

Keep replying. I have not seen or heard much on this site on 170 T Tops. I think the boat would be great with one!

bigjohn1 posted 04-25-2006 05:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1    
Just remember a few things though as you go forward in your quest - BillS and Tom Clark (among others) have made some valid points in other t-top threads about potential mounting and stability problems on Montauks. I will say this from personal experience after almost two years with my 170, there have been a few 20 knot wind days where I had to lower my bimini to prevent the wind from affecting the handling of the boat (and that was with a bimini). Also, my regular fishing buddy weighs around 275lbs (I weigh 225lbs). If he is leaning over the side of the boat setting out a trolling lure while we're either surfing down a swell or climbing a wave, it can get a little "dicey" and feel like the boat is going over. I just be very careful in these situations and navigate appropriately.

If I eventually install a T-top, I will be keeping it as short as possible and I will ensure it is made from aluminum to save weight. I will also be even more cognizant of keeping weight centered in the boat. I will also have the sunbrella canvas cut and zippered in such a way that I can quickly unzip it to minimize the "parachute" effect that canvas will have if high winds crop up.

Whalerider posted 04-27-2006 06:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerider  Send Email to Whalerider     
Stainless tops will ALWAYS develop cracks at some point. Aluminum will polish out as nice a stainless and with minimal care will stay that way.

IMHO a t-top on a 170 is not a good idea.

mikeyairtime posted 04-27-2006 09:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for mikeyairtime    
Boy that's funny on my lobster skiff the aluminum bow rails broke from vibration after two years. The stainless ones I replaced them with are still on the boat 18 years later.
OzWhaler posted 05-01-2006 07:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for OzWhaler  Send Email to OzWhaler     

I have posted on here before about T-tops and , while I didn't end up buying a 170, I have a VERY similar Australian 'Ocean Whaler 565' centre console to which I have attached a s/s FOLDING T-top.

I had a requirement to be able to store the boat on its trailer in a conventional garage and to be able to drop the T-top for a big reduction in fuel costs on Australian long distance travelling.

I have sent thru to your email some pictures of the T-top and mounting. The T-top is fabricated in light gauge s/s - but reasonable diameter tubes. Top weight is definitely not a problem and I have mounted a Navman "Quickfit" VHF aerial for my Navman 7200 and a flat antena for my Navman 6500 Trackfish - works beautifully even game fishing in heavy water 20nm off the coast. I can at least play big mackeral around the boat on light gear...

I'm sorry I can't post onto the site as I do not know how !
Be pleased to email photos to anyone interested

OzWhaler - Perth, Western Australia

OzWhaler posted 05-01-2006 08:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for OzWhaler  Send Email to OzWhaler     
I agree totally with Mikeyairtime on the use of stainless steel - designed and fabricated properly s/s is no problem. There is a lot of talk on this forum about the 'much higher weight' of s/s versus aluminium T-top - using the right sections for equivalent strength I believe any weight difference would have a minimal effect on the 170 which weighs about a ton loaded up on the water.

BigJohn - 20 knots and big seas are standard here off the coast - my s/s T-top is 1.5 x 1.8m (sorry - 6' x 5') and is laced onto the T-top s/s frame. The profile to the wind is almost horizontal and, unless you install side curtains, there is very little resistance at all and no 'sail' or 'parachute' effect.

In the unlikely event of a problem a quick run around the canopy lashings with a knife would have the fabric top off....

osillator posted 05-02-2006 11:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for osillator  Send Email to osillator     
I have found 2 custom shops both within 20 miles of home that will custom build aluminum canvas T Tops for my 170 Montauk. I will contact a 3rd builder this week.

I will follow up with my decision and details later in May. Also PHOTOS!!

bigjohn1 posted 05-03-2006 07:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1    
OZ, many thanks to you for the additional info. I'd love to see those pictures when you get the chance to send them my way. Contact info is in my profile.
TTopless posted 06-05-2008 07:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
We have a folding T-Top specifically for the Montauk 17 ... check us out at, or email us ...
BlueMax posted 06-06-2008 08:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax    
Looks pretty neat and seems a great idea/product...However:

Over $1700 (with shipping) and then you'll give me $90 to ship my existing OEM Bimini to you (to probably sell on ebay)?

So, almost $1500 Plus $125 shipping Plus GIVE you my $1300 Bimini and pay to ship it to you..... we're back at full price plus my Bimini. Might be a good deal if my Bimini was an old dilapidated piece of crap.

Although, Price seems fair for T-Top and what would I do with my Bimini once I have new top installed.... I don't think so.

I think maybe I'd pay full price straight up, sell my existing top on ebaby and have that buyer pay me for shipping.

GreatBayNH posted 06-06-2008 09:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
Don't get too excited Blue. The site only says it fits a Montauk 17. Nothing about a 170 which has 7/8" railing if I'm not mistaken.
GreatBayNH posted 06-07-2008 08:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
The manufacturer claims this untit DOES fit a 170. He intends to send me pictures tomorrow of which I will share with this post upon receipt.


BlueMax posted 06-07-2008 12:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax    
Seth - please do. It looks like a great concept with the Uuderstanding that you can't really hang onto it for support like a regular T-Top stanchion but there is really no room (or I'd hate to give up the room I have)on the 170 for a big unit. I think boats like the Montauks look great with a 'T'.

Still do not like the idea of taking $90 off if only I would send them my existing Bimini but nothing says you have to accept that offer.

looking forward to the pics.


BlueMax posted 06-07-2008 10:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax    
The more I look at it, the more I like it.
GreatBayNH posted 06-08-2008 07:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
I got a reply. The pictures they sent me was of a Montauk 17. I replied with an educational e-mail with the differences in the 17 vs 170. I don't think they are Whaler experts to say the least. They are reading this post though as they commented on your reply, or at least appeared to.

They commented that:
[qoute]If you want one, we really don't want your old Bimini back - just take a picture of it on the boat before you remove it, and then a picture with the T-Topless and send us those! Give the old Bimini to charity or put it on a porch swing please![/quote]

I'm waiting for their reply after being updated on the difference between a 17 and 170. The differenced in cc railing is significant. The older 17 seems more robust.


TTopless posted 06-09-2008 07:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Good Morning ...

Yes, we have this on the Montauk 17, and a Montauk 170 coming (we think it will be the same.

We're very interested in your feedback.

Pictures and details are at:

We really don't want a lot of old Bimini tops, so we've changed the Bimini Trade-In to a Bimini Rebate - before/after pictures are all we need. We would prefer that these old tops go to charity (neighbor kid?) or something, but that's up to you ...

GreatBayNH posted 06-09-2008 02:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
Would love to see the Montauk 170 pictures once you have them. Great looking top!
mmakar posted 06-09-2008 03:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for mmakar  Send Email to mmakar     
How does the product compare to Bimi-Tee? Both seems to be hybrids between a bimini and t-top and are removable. Like so many of you I am also looking for a solution for my 2004 Montauk. Does anyone have any experience with the Bimi-Tee product?
TTopless posted 06-11-2008 10:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
The Whaler bug has stricken all of us at RNR Marine! We are doing a complete redesign to allow:
a) the front rod holders to be used (moved top back),
b) a standard Montauk 17 boat cover to fit when lowered,
c) more stability by attaching to the Montauk 17 rear seat
(works great with seat back in driving & fishing position)

We have to generate new CNC programs for our bender, and order longer tubing, but the top will be PERFECT for a Montauk!

We'll post pictures on as soon as we have them!

We'll focus on the Montauk 170 next ...

GreatBayNH posted 06-12-2008 08:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
The 170 pictures are anxiously anticipated. Please do!
TTopless posted 06-12-2008 10:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Unfortunately (for this forum's 170 owners), the 170 that was brought in for a T-Topless was actually a 99 Montauk 17, not a 2002+ 170.

The top we redesigned ( to fit the fits nice, but didn't allow for the use of the front rod holders (front of the console), so we developed a new bend to program and manufacture, but it will require longer stock tubing.

The new top will actually be set back about 9 inches further and allow Montauk owners to use those front 6 rod holders, and provide more shade when sitting in the back fishing!

The rear legs can be mounted to the console, or as we discovered yesterday, will mount very nicely to the upper part of the swinging seat! (We'll get our web guy to upload pix).

I think everyone will be very pleased! Is there anything else we need to think about?

BlueMax posted 06-12-2008 10:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax    
I've got a 2007 170 I'll let you put a Top on and use the pictures for advertising.... ;-)
TTopless posted 06-12-2008 10:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Where are you? If you're in the Charleston, SC area, we'd love to do it!
alfred posted 06-12-2008 10:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for alfred  Send Email to alfred     
OZWHALER I see that you are in Perth, so am I. Would love some pictures of your T Top. Tried to send an email but it bounced.
BlueMax posted 06-12-2008 10:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax    
It will be interesting to see how the new design looks and works. On the surface it would seem that If you mount the top to the RPS that it would in effect negate the utility and ability to adjust/reverse the seat(?)

Would we be able to determine our own best location for mounting (console or seat)? And would it be able to transition between the two (in other words - would mounting be a one or the other choice at purchase or an option for user discretion where the rear legs mount and be 'moveable' to the other location at any time).

Also 'upper part of swinging seat' - does this mean we take the pad off the back rest, or cut holes in the cushion in order to mount to the horizontal tubing - or does it mount to the exposed portion of the vertical tubing between seat and back rest?

Looking forward to the solution and pics.

TTopless posted 06-12-2008 10:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Great question!

We simply moved the rear legs mounts to the stainless verticals on the swinging seat, so the seat works normall!

You decide whether you prefer the mounts to face fore or aft ... we'll post pix on the site today ...

BlueMax posted 06-12-2008 10:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax    
Outstanding!! Now I am really getting excited.

Thanks for the quick reply.


TTopless posted 06-12-2008 11:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
We added 3 pictures showing how the legs can be mounted to the rear seat, and the seat still flips back/forth.


These legs will be longer, and have 2 bends to allow the seat to flip, and provide clearance to walk along the side, but will be universal to either mount on the console (a bit lower than shown now), or to the front or rear seat verticals.

We'll have the new bend top (top will be 8-10" further bac) in a few weeks for rod clearance up front, or we can deliver this model today!

BlueMax posted 06-12-2008 11:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax    

Corrected link (first link converts/directs to second link in browser):



TTopless posted 06-12-2008 03:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Thank you for the correction Bluemax ...

TTopless posted 07-12-2008 06:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
The Montauk 17 T-Topless has been completely redesigned to:
=> allow the use of the front rod holders,
=> fold down to fit under the standard boat cover.

Check it out at

We need a Montauk 170 to work with, so we can customize the design for it as well!

TTopless posted 07-31-2008 02:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
We measured the Montauk 170, Montauk 190 and Dauntless 180, and it tuns out that the standard, Medium width T-Topless fits these just fine, providing 6+'of clearance.

The is special for the Montauk 17 (pre-2002) model.

GreatBayNH posted 07-31-2008 07:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
Pictures please.
TTopless posted 08-02-2008 07:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Montauk 17:

We don't have a picture of a T-Topless on a Montauk 170 or 190 yet, but did go to the Boston Whaler dealer and take measurements to determine which model would fit. Since the bars are less raked than the Montauk 17's, the standard, medium-width T-Topless is the best fit for the Montauk 170, 190 and Dauntless 180.

TTopless posted 12-13-2008 11:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     

Pictures at
TTopless posted 12-13-2008 11:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
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gbcbu posted 12-14-2008 08:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for gbcbu  Send Email to gbcbu     
I imagine you are out at your 170 taking measurements to put one of these in your letter to Santa Claus or asking "She who must be obeyed" for the green light!
GreatBayNH posted 12-14-2008 09:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
The one pictured is for a classic. Our 170's can take the standard T-Top offered on his web page. I think if and when I go with some sort of top it will be Mills or the factory one. I'm a purist.

ktm3ten posted 02-15-2009 05:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for ktm3ten  Send Email to ktm3ten     
Does anyone have a photo of this on a 170 yet?
GreatBayNH posted 02-16-2009 10:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
I haven't seen one. The last update from TTopless to me, via e-mail, was that a standard product on their web site fits the 170. meaning, there is no need for the custom top they came up with for classic Montauk as they have a standard product that will fit. Their web site has been updated to reflect this however no images of a Montauk 170 with the standard offering exists on said web site to date.
TTopless posted 02-16-2009 04:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
We don't have a picture on a Montauk-170 as yet, but I can help clear up the differences between th e 2 tops. The special Montauk-T-Topless is the same width as the Medium width T-Topless, but has longer front legs and different bends to:

a) move the top back about 10 inches to allow the rod holders on the front of the Montauk's console to be used when the top is up, and

b) increase head clearance about 4 inches.

If you don't have front rod holders on your 170's console, we recommend the standard Medium width T-Topless.

If you have (and want to use) the rod holders on the front of your 170's console, or if you're very tall (6'3" or more), we recommend the Montauk-T-Topless for your Montauk-170.

Hope this makes sense ...

BlueMax posted 02-16-2009 07:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax    

Have you done any studies on the maximum windspeed that the tops can withstand? I ask in reference to both on water and about towing recommendations - would the Tops be able to be kept up for highway, or should they be put down and would it be best if it were then strapped down for towing so as to prevent bouncing or the wind from catching beneath and lifting them up?

Also, have you done any study into how covers fit, with the Tops in the down position - any pictures?

Stil intrigued,

BlueMax posted 02-16-2009 07:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax    
and apparently still illiterate. ^@^
TTopless posted 02-16-2009 10:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Yes - we run our test SeaPro @ 67mph on the water, the Montauk-17 around 45mph and tow both @ highway speeds with the top up. You could to with it tied down, but no need (and the top would be damaged if it was not tied down, or came loose).

The standard Montauk boat Cover fits right over the rail with the top down (Montauk 17 again).

Thanks again for your interest!

Feejer posted 02-17-2009 12:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
Do you have any photos of an 06-07 Dauntless 180 with one?
BlueMax posted 02-17-2009 02:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax    
Thank you very much for the reply and links. It certainly does look like a good all around option to the Bimini (especially for fishing) and, in my opinion, it makes the boat look better than when the Bimini is deployed.

Fixed Hyperlinks:


Cover: JPG


TTopless posted 02-22-2009 08:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     

Sorry, we don't have pix of the Montauk-T-Topless on a 06-07 Dauntless 180 yet ...

You can use either a Medium T-Topless or the Montauk-T-Topless if you want to use the front console-mounted rod holders with the top up.


Thank for fixing my links. Not sure how to get them to show up as links ... I'm using SeaMonkey (Firefox) here.

TTopless posted 01-01-2010 04:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Thought you all would like to see the Montauk-T-Topless on a 2009 Montauk-170 ...

Feejer posted 01-03-2010 08:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     

That seems like a heck of amount of money considering their are 2 manufactures of T-Tops that have current sale prices under $1000.00

GreatBayNH posted 01-03-2010 09:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
Finally, somebody said it!

For that price I could get an OEM sun top or one from M.J. Mills and Co. with change to spare. Heck, I could get a Mills sun top and RPS cover for that price. The sun top solutions fold down to the front bow area leaving the walkable deck space intact. The T-Topless folds down into the walkable bow deckspace from the photos I've seen.

I would pay $375 USD, "tops" for the T-Topless solution.

Feejer posted 01-03-2010 09:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
Yup, I'd pay at the most $399.00 for it. Heck look at the amount of tubing their using compared to a regular T-Top, it NOTHING. Maybe their selling lots of them and the jokes on us. lol
jimh posted 01-03-2010 10:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
On the vendor's website there is a photograph of a Boston Whaler with a Bimini top which implies that the top shown is a factory rigged installation and has poor features. This is misleading.

The top shown does is not the usual Wm. J. Mills & Co. Flying Top for a Boston Whaler boat. If a Wm. J. Mills & Co. Flying Top were shown as a comparison, it would not have the many undesirable features which are pointed out on the vendor's website as being a fault of the "standard" Bimini top on a Boston Whaler. The arrangement of the straps and the ability of the top to fold into the bow are completely different on an actual factory-supplied Mills Flying Top than as shown on the vendor's website.

One feature cited as a detraction of the "standard" top, low headroom, is actually a benefit. The closer the canvas top is to your head, the better sun shade it provides.

Feejer posted 01-04-2010 08:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
I think either of these is a far better deal. You really get A LOT more for your money.

BlueMax posted 01-04-2010 11:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax    
A couple things strike me here -

1) I did not realize that the cooling effect of being in the shade (i.e. being out of the sun) loses its effectiveness over the short distance of inches - I always thought shade was shade, either you're in the shade or you're in the sun - an elm provides as effective shade as a shrub only you don't have to lay on the ground to get in the shade and out of the sun with the elm - for that matter I would think that having your head closer to the canvas that is providing you shade would transfer more of the heat from the sun's rays directly to your cranium and that you may want some room between your head and the canvas to allow for some of that radiated heat to dissipate before reaching you -

2) The links provided by Feejer do not make for an accurate comparison to the T-Topless. We are talking about a rail-mountable, collapsible T-Top for a 17/170 Montauk, not a full-frame deck mounted T-Top suitable for larger boats. You can not truly compare a full-frame T-Top to a rail mountable version whose design lends itself more to the suitability for smaller boats like the 17/170 Montauks or 16 Dauntless. Larger boats that have the space above deck and wood below the deck that can accommodate mounting a full frame T-Top are not what this thread or product is addressing here.

One of the drawbacks of mounting a full-frame T-Top on the 17/170 Montauk was the lack of available space between the console and gunwales to allow for safe (uninhibited) movement - another drawback of mounting the full-frame T-Top was quite possibly changing the center of gravity on the smaller boats, thus making them inherently more dangerous on the water than the sun-safe comfort and convenience they provided. Possibly using lighter-weight materials has solved that aspect if the safety concern is truly justified (I've seen a few smaller boats such as the Montauk and McKee Craft with full frame T-Tops and none of them seemed in jeapordy of turtle-ing so I do not know).

I believe this product is designed to address the gap between the look, benefits and features of a full-frame T-Top on the smaller boats that can not accommodate installing a full frame T-Top. I believe it is a simple option for smaller boat owners.

Say what you will about the perceived overall construction and the price, that's fair opinionated game I think. For me the idea is still viable but the price is not (I also think the way the fishmaster top folds is better for stowing when covering the boat, although the T-Topless looks like it might keep the water from pooling in the bow should your cover not be custom fitted).

Just my thoughts,

BlueMax posted 01-04-2010 11:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax    
PS - I think if we are talking simply about providing shade, the Bimini top is the better choice. But if we are talking about fish-friendly functionality, a T-Top type is the way to go. I think (just my own uneducated speculation) that the T-Top will provide far less shade and comfort to Montauk passengers than the Bimini. For my purposes, more recreational with the wife and friends than fishing, the Bimini works well - but I do like and want the look and uninhibited "openness" of the T-Top. I just don't want a frame "cluttering up" and preventing movement past the console (also my single person round tube fits perfectly in between the console and side wall right now - a full frame would eliminate that stowage spot for me).


Feejer posted 01-04-2010 11:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
I fully agree with you. A T-Top on a Montauk is a bit overkill. What I was comparing is what you get for the amount of money T-Topless wants for their product. Granted its a nice design and one that boaters will like. The price I think is out of hand for what you get. For me its a toss up between the Stryker and the Fishmaster. Neither of them will work for my current location in indoor rack storage. I can't have anything taller than my grab rail because of the lack of room above my boat. I really need to find another marina.
BlueMax posted 01-04-2010 02:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax    
Feejer - agree with you on the cost and product comparisons for value - you seem to get a more durable product with the Fishmaster and Stryker. The Fishmaster top is a little bigger than the T-Topless too (Fishmaster listed as 60 inches X 80 inches whereas T-Topless is listed as 56 inches at widest tapering off to 42 inch width X 72 inches length [6 ft length listed on the site]). From the animation it looks like the Fishmaster top would fold to the height of the console or just below - shouldn't that work for you for storage?

I see the Fishmaster is on sale for $995 along with FREE shipping and a Free storage pack (I just re-checked the site for info and inadvertently closed the browser window that listed the sale ending 12/31/09. I re-opened less than 20 seconds later and the sale end date had change to 1/31/10).

That sale price is mighty tempting...

Feejer posted 01-04-2010 04:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
I've been in contact with a guy in NC who has the Fishmaster Top installed on his Dauntless 180, same year as mine. It folds down almost out of the way. Our bow rails are too tall for it to fold all the way down. What happens is the legs fold up about 12 inches above the grab rail. Anyway, I found another marina in Somers Point, NJ that has outdoor rack storage.
number9 posted 01-04-2010 11:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for number9  Send Email to number9     
T-Topless is very descriptive. It's barely a top and not a t-top. Lawn tractors would be a better application for the the product.
TTopless posted 03-29-2010 07:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
We have the Montauk-T-Topless on quite a few Montauk 17 & 170s now, and our clients are very satisfied. The top provides much needed shade, along with access to the sides of the boat for fishing and boarding as well as full clearance on the narrow floor passages.

We have owners who fold the top down to put the boat in their garage, as well as owners who simply lower it to put on a boat cover for storage.

fishinchips posted 03-29-2010 11:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for fishinchips  Send Email to fishinchips     
Anyone put on or seen a c.e.smith (stainless steel) t-top on the new 170's as yet?
The top weighs in at 89#'s which isn't to bad. Fully adjustable and you can install it yourself.

Seen photo of it on a 17' montauk (older version) and seen a photo of it on a 18'dauntless. Doesn't look to bad.

Ken (170 montauk - 22 hydrasports wa)

Waccamaw Whaler posted 04-05-2010 08:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Waccamaw Whaler  Send Email to Waccamaw Whaler     
Just for the heck of it I did a rough estimate of the material cost only for the T-Topless using material prices I found on the internet. Granted, if the manufacturer is buying in volume his pricing will be lower but I'm estimating that he has close to $600 in material cost only
[40+ ft. of SS tubing, 20 SS fittings, 23 sq. ft. sunbrella, Grommets, cord & weld wire].

Add to that labor, overhead and profit, I'd say those individuals suggesting $400 and lower are being unrealistic.


TTopless posted 04-13-2010 09:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Thanks Waccamaw.

We also have a Perko light, 10' of Ancor 14-2 jacketed, tinned copper wire, (6) Ancor heat shrink crimp connectors, 50' of nylon lacing cord, 10 orbitally welded TIG welds and a 6.5'x4.5'x3' shipping box.

The frame itself is bent from a single 21' piece of type 304L stainless steel thick-wall tubing using our Ercolina CNC bender for accuracy and consistency.

We put a lot of thought and time into these tops, and hold our quality to the highest standards. We welcome anyone in the Carolinas area to come by and we'll take you for a ride to see how they perform.

Thanks again for your interest.

krbernier posted 04-14-2010 02:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for krbernier  Send Email to krbernier     
like the idea. hate the price. sunscreen and a hat for me!
TTopless posted 06-02-2010 12:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Check out some of our latest: 2009-Boston-Whaler-Mountak-170_Montauk-T-Topless.jpg BostonWhaler-Montauk-17-1986_Montauk-T-Topless-Med-Blue-Tweed_4.jpg
TTopless posted 07-07-2010 07:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Heres an 86 Montauk that really looks great with the Montauk-T-Topless in Dubonnet Tweed (red) Sunbrella canvas. Boston-Whaler-Montauk-17-1986_Duconnet-Tweed-Montauk-T-Topless.jpg

TTopless posted 10-05-2010 01:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Do you like the front rod holders on your Boston Whaler Montauk with the top up? You can't use them with a bimini top, but you can with the Montauk-T-Topless !

TTopless posted 10-06-2010 08:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Now that its getting cooler - we're being asked about a windshield and side curtains. We have the windshield worked out, but need some input on the size of the side curtains. We plant to use Sunbrella(r) canvas, clear vinyl and Velcro(r) and avoid zippers.

Please take a look and vote!
$25 discount coupon for voting)

ScooterCO posted 10-07-2010 10:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for ScooterCO  Send Email to ScooterCO     
Do you have any pricing up for the front and short side windows? Are you going to have a package deal for the top with windows?
I am still interested!
TTopless posted 10-07-2010 07:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
We don't have pricing yet, as we're building prototypes right now. The "standard" (short) side curtains look like the best way to go to us - they provide protection, yet allow you to walk about the console to fish.

And yes, we will have a package price with the Montauk-T-Topless, windshield and side curtains.

Thank you for your feedback!

TTopless posted 12-04-2010 09:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Based on feedback from Montauk owners and our canvas supplier, we have made a few changes to our windshield and side curtain design for the Montauk 17 & 170.

The windshield will lace tightly to the Montauk-T-Topless' frame, and the small side curtains will zip to this windshield and lace to the rear legs. We added a flap to the bottom of the windshield and the side curtains to fill the gap between the grab rail and the Montauk's existing windshield. This will keep as much air out as possible.

The full size side curtains will simply zip onto the edge of the small side curtains for extra protection from the elements. The clear vinyl will extend down about level with the boat's side rails, with Sunbrella(r) going down to floor level.

All will be Sunbrella(r) marine canvas and 30gauge clear vinyl.

We're working on pricing - so please call or email to discuss.

TTopless posted 12-04-2010 11:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Windshield only: Montauk-T-Topless-Proposed-Windshield_600x332.jpg

Standard (Small) Side Curtains: Montauk-T-Topless-Proposed-Windshield-Standard-Curtains_600x332.jpg

Add-on Full Size Side Curtains: Montauk-T-Topless-Proposed-Windshield-Full-Size-Curtains_600x332.jpg

Buckda posted 12-04-2010 12:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
For northern and "shoulder season" boaters, I have a feeling that those side curtains will be a hit for their functionality.

I have no idea (I'm sure), but it might help retail cost to reduce the amount of clear plastic used and increase the use of canvas on the lower portion of the larger, full-length side curtain.

Congrats on what looks to be a nice additional feature to your product line.

TTopless posted 12-05-2010 09:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Thank you for the feedback.

It turns out that the the cost difference between Sunbrella and clear vinyl isn't significant compared to the sewing time/labor. We reduced the full curtain's clear glass area at the suggestion of several owners (and prospects) who felt that the area wasn't needed, and Sunbrella marine fabric be more durable and roll easier. They felt that rail or waist height provided enough visibility for fishing.

whale posted 12-07-2010 04:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for whale    
Do these tops fit on 150 montauk??
TTopless posted 12-07-2010 06:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Unfortunately, the low grab rails (41" from from the floor) on the Montauk-150 are too low ... the Montauk-T-Topless would only be 5'6" high on it. We're working on a design for smaller boats with lower grab rail heights for 2011 ... will fit boats like the Montauk-150 and Scout 160, which we have a lot of call for. Send us an email, and we'll let you know when it comes out!

The T-Topless and Shadow do fit the Dauntless 150 ...

ScooterCO posted 12-10-2010 01:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for ScooterCO  Send Email to ScooterCO     
Any pricing on the windows yet?
My vote for attaching the top of the front windsheild is by a zipper for quick removal. Or at least if you are going to leave it a laced up attachement allow tie roll-up straps to be incoporated so the window can be rolled up and out of the way and easly dropped down if needed. A velcro strip should handle the seam from front to side.
TTopless posted 12-12-2010 02:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     

I sent you an email. We're still working on the official pricing. Its a pretty complex piece, and we're working to keep the cost down.

Thanks, Captain Ross

TTopless posted 02-08-2011 11:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Windshield and Side Curtains in process ... but we just added a nice Gear Loft, which holds up to 6 life preservers overhead, and really helps out the storage situation on the Montauk!

Tohsgib posted 02-08-2011 12:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Would that make it a "Topless T-Bag"? If so it sounds kinky.
number9 posted 02-09-2011 02:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for number9  Send Email to number9     

How about designing a pilot house for our Whalers.

number9 posted 02-09-2011 02:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for number9  Send Email to number9     
Oh, see ya'll already that.
TTopless posted 10-17-2011 10:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Check out our new Montauk-Shadow(tm) kit version of the popular Montauk-T-Topless(tm). $749 introductory price in October 2011.
TTopless posted 12-19-2011 11:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Here are the new Gull-Wings for the Montauk-T-Topless: .

For more protection, zip on the Gull-Wings: .

Stay dry and warm! Merry Christmas!

TTopless posted 12-31-2011 11:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Sorry, the first link was the Spray-Shield, and the Gull-Wings zip onto them for added spray & wind protection.

Happy New Year!

TTopless posted 04-18-2012 11:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
We just announced our 10-YEAR WARRANTY ...

And the Montauk-Shadow is in our PRE-HEAT sale thru 4/30 ...

TTopless posted 07-03-2012 05:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
4th of July sale with Free Rod Holders!
TTopless posted 09-14-2012 08:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for TTopless  Send Email to TTopless     
Cooling off now.

Spray-Shield and Gull-Wings on the Montauk-T-Topless feels nice!

[img][/img] Montauk-T-Topless_Spray-Shield_Gull-Wings_DSC03932_425x319.jpg

[img][/img] Montauk-T-Topless_Spray-Shield_Gull-Wings_Inside_DSC03955_425x319.jpg

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